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Why do Indian fans in particular, adore defensive cricket? They see it as an achievement to be a defensive team. Mediocrity appears to be the ideal. How else can you defend the stupid goons who clamour for Dinesh Karthik over Rishabh Pant?

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Just now, Sandeep99 said:

I would recommend you to understand the nuances of first class/test cricket before commenting. From whatever I saw, I remember how Rishabh Pant was made to look like a fool during Ranji final when a certain Rajneesh Gurbani was probing outside off stump all day.

But Dinesh Karthik has a much lower first class average than Pant. Clearly, DK is made to look like a fool more often. But due to your compromised intelligence (i.e. stupidity), you are unable to comprehend such a logical, scientific and deductive chain of reasoning to arrive at this conclusion. 

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Just now, Khota said:

I dont know what you guys are watching but Karthic is better than Pant.

Your opinion is an indicator of compromised intelligence. There is literally no logical reasoning to support Karthik over Pant. Selection of Karthik has much greater associated opportunity costs.

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8 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

But Dinesh Karthik has a much lower first class average than Pant. Clearly, DK is made to look like a fool more often. But due to your compromised intelligence (i.e. stupidity), you are unable to comprehend such a logical, scientific and deductive chain of reasoning to arrive at this conclusion. 

 

I can go on and say Rishabh Pant is one of those one season wonders who disappear after being worked out. Going by your logic, Adam Voges should be a better batsman than Sachin Tendulkar, no? After all, the former averages more than the latter. But hey it's ok. Let me not get my compromised intelligence in your way. Off I go.

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Just now, Sandeep99 said:

I can go on and say Rishabh Pant is one of those one season wonders who disappear after being worked out. Going by your logic, Adam Voges should be a better batsman than Sachin Tendulkar, no? After all, the former averages more than the latter. But hey it's ok. Let me not get my compromised intelligence in your way. Off I go.

Your stupidity is evident because you do not allow Pant to be worked out. You do not give him a chance but still think he will be worked out. It is utter idiocy. You should never comment on cricket again. 

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5 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

Your stupidity is evident because you do not allow Pant to be worked out. You do not give him a chance but still think he will be worked out. It is utter idiocy. You should never comment on cricket again. 

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Err, I did say how he got worked out last season and wasn't able to lay bat on the ball against a supposed 3rd-grade trundler in a domestic game. The lack of your comprehension skills is utterly astounding. I might comment on cricket but will never comment on this thread again though :hatsoff:

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Just now, Sandeep99 said:

Err, I did say how he got worked out last season and wasn't able to lay bat on the ball against a supposed 3rd-grade trundler in a domestic game. The lack of your comprehension skills is utterly astounding. I might comment on cricket but will never comment on this thread again though :hatsoff:

Yet, in the same breath you fail to explain why DK appears to be failing against the very same trundlers and performing much worse. Your logic has no basis. Your reasoning is very poor, and appears to be biased. You seem to have very compromised cognition

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1 hour ago, lamellavig said:

Why do Indian fans in particular, adore defensive cricket? They see it as an achievement to be a defensive team. Mediocrity appears to be the ideal. How else can you defend the stupid goons who clamour for Dinesh Karthik over Rishabh Pant?

What's wrong with current version Karthik.  Agree, Pant is good and given chance and he will have his chance eventually, but nothing wrong in Karthik getting chance.

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Just now, raki05 said:

What's wrong with current version Karthik.  Agree, Pant is good and given chance and he will have his chance eventually, but nothing wrong in Karthik getting chance.

What is wrong in Dhoni getting chance. What is wrong in Kishan getting chance. What is wrong in Ashok Dinda getting chance? What is wrong in Mishra getting chance?

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2 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

What is wrong in Dhoni getting chance. What is wrong in Kishan getting chance. What is wrong in Ashok Dinda getting chance? What is wrong in Mishra getting chance?

They all got their chances, isn't it? 

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I don't understand the stupid logic behind giving gloves to Karthik again in tests.Pants or Kishan have to groomed to take over and Afghanistan would have been perfect situation to give one of them a game.

 

Karthik is/was always suspect mentally, no one ever questioned his talent ever that is he was given debut earlier than Dhoni but there is is a reason why he never could claim a permanent position.

 

I was okay with him in T20s as he will not have lot of time to think and can just react but tests even if he is good he will last two years then what will do, you start the search again.

 

I am angry at Kohli, he needs to give younger talent a chance to blossom not himself in cocoon among older players.

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11 minutes ago, Garuda said:

India's tour of England most runs in the series

 

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Karthik batted as an opener silly little school boy

So you reckon he will replicate that performance again, it was one off series in his whole career where he performed.His performance as soon as he donned gloves in 2008 SL series was so bad with bat and ball that he was kicked out by Parthiv Patel.

 

Sorry I have no faith in Karthik especially if he is a wicket keeper.If he is not a keeper he adds no value to the team.

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17 minutes ago, putrevus said:

So you reckon he will replicate that performance again, it was one off series in his whole career where he performed.His performance as soon as he donned gloves in 2008 SL series was so bad with bat and ball that he was kicked out by Parthiv Patel.

 

Sorry I have no faith in Karthik especially if he is a wicket keeper.If he is not a keeper he adds no value to the team.

Not saying he is the best bet for us. He is only a replacement for Saha. I'm not convinced about Pant and others yet. He is just 20. The OP needs to chill :agree:

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3 minutes ago, Garuda said:

Not saying he is the best bet for us. He is only a replacement for Saha. I'm not convinced about Pant and others yet. He is just 20. The OP needs to chill :agree:

Parthiv Patel was 17 when he made his debut, Sachin was 16, I don't think age should hinder selection.Karthik had his chances ,there is a chance of this kid will losing his confidence  and we might end up losing a real talent.

 

I have not seen infusion of fresh talent from this selection committee and they keep going back to these TTFs.

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2 hours ago, lamellavig said:

Indian fans in particular, adore defensive cricket? They see it as an achievement to be a defensive team. Mediocrity appears to be the ideal.

 

2 hours ago, lamellavig said:

due to your compromised intelligence (i.e. stupidity), you are unable to comprehend such a logical, scientific and deductive chain of reasoning

 

1 hour ago, lamellavig said:

Your stupidity is evident

 

1 hour ago, lamellavig said:

You should never comment on cricket again.

 

1 hour ago, lamellavig said:

very compromised cognition

 

 

Can you not make any point without flame-baiting or throwing insults ? what is your problem man.

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I can go on and say Rishabh Pant is one of those one season wonders who disappear after being worked out. Going by your logic, Adam Voges should be a better batsman than Sachin Tendulkar, no? After all, the former averages more than the latter. But hey it's ok. Let me not get my compromised intelligence in your way. Off I go.


He is a legside hack

Well, he did well in IPL for 3 years , but never performed well in National Level

I know he beat the crap out of Bhuvneswar Kumar but it's hard to take IPL seriously

I actually feel we don't have anymore proper options for wicketkeeping after Dhoni.


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6 minutes ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:


 

 


He is a legside hack

Well, he did well in IPL for 3 years , but never performed well in National Level

I know he beat the crap out of Bhuvneswar Kumar but it's hard to take IPL seriously

I actually feel we don't have anymore proper options for wicketkeeping after Dhoni.


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So how can Dinesh Karthik get third ,fourth and fifth chances but we dismiss a 20 year as a hack.

 

What has Dinesh Karthik shown internationally in last 10 years which we can say for sure he is an upgrade over Pant.

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2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Parthiv Patel was 17 when he made his debut, Sachin was 16, I don't think age should hinder selection.Karthik had his chances ,there is a chance of this kid will losing his confidence  and we might end up losing a real talent.

 

I have not seen infusion of fresh talent from this selection committee and they keep going back to these TTFs.

Sachin is the exception that proves the rule. Parthiv didnt grab the opportunity did he. That's what happens when you are introduced to cricket this early. As someone mentioned Pant was troubled by a local trundler in Ranji. He needs to work out his off side play like his coverdrives and cuts. He has to work out his chinks before he gets into the national squad.

What test teams require is a solid wicketkeeper first and then a batsman next. Pant needs to keep wickets in domestic matches to get used to keeping for long hours. If India doesnt bowl well (which happens all the time) he needs to keep for 160 overs at a time. He has to be ready for that. This is not t20 where 20 overs of keeping and go to tonk the ball from the get go. Test teams are full of "TTFs" you dont need someone to strike the first ball to the boundary like Sehwag. I would pick Dravid over Sehwag any day of the week.

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14 minutes ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:


 

 


He is a legside hack

Well, he did well in IPL for 3 years , but never performed well in National Level

I know he beat the crap out of Bhuvneswar Kumar but it's hard to take IPL seriously

I actually feel we don't have anymore proper options for wicketkeeping after Dhoni.


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He got 4 games in the national level. One of then he only played 3 balls. And other games were not even consistent chances he got. If it's hard to take IPL seriously, then we should get rid of the hasbeen dhoni as well right going by your logic?

 

We have lots of options for wk after dhoni. But we won't know that because we keep giving chances to tried and tested failures so thalaiva can keep sucking up the momentum.

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Just now, Garuda said:

Sachin is the exception that proves the rule. Parthiv didnt grab the opportunity did he. That's what happens when you are introduced to cricket this early. As someone mentioned Pant was troubled by a local trundler in Ranji. He needs to work out his off side play like his coverdrives and cuts. He has to work out his chinks before he gets into the national squad.

What test teams require is a solid wicketkeeper first and then a batsman next. Pant needs to keep wickets in domestic matches to get used to keeping for long hours. If India doesnt bowl well (which happens all the time) he needs to keep for 160 overs at a time. He has to be ready for that. This is not t20 where 20 overs of keeping and go to tonk the ball from the get go. Test teams are full of "TTFs" you dont need someone to strike the first ball to the boundary like Sehwag. I would pick Dravid over Sehwag any day of the week.

Local trundler if he can swing will trouble even Steven Smith. You cannot go by one odd performance, There is always something all players need to work on to improve their game.

How was Kohli in 2008 and how is Kohli now, players improve  by playing with greater talent and that applies more to younger players than older players.

 

PP is still not enough but we cannot fault selectors for selecting him and if these bozos are waiting for a finished article in WK they will never get it.

 

 

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He got 4 games in the national level. One of then he only played 3 balls. And other games were not even consistent chances he got. If it's hard to take IPL seriously, then we should get rid of the hasbeen dhoni as well right going by your logic?
 
We have lots of options for wk after dhoni. But we won't know that because we keep giving chances to tried and tested failures so thalaiva can keep sucking up the momentum.


I am no Dhoni Fan
BCCI is pretty much actively backing Pant Anyways.

However , I do feel that BCCI arguably has no interest in losing some matches for the sake of the future- especially when they are already steamrolling other teams even with a visibly **** team

Virat Kohli is himself a pretty defensive player IMO- along with his ego and vested interest in becoming the biggest star of his team, I feel India might actually become a better bowling and Fielding side while having a **** batting line up.

Even Cornerstone sign ups like KL Rahul don't stand a chance for greatness LMAOO.
Kohli is more present oriented- he will like to win loads of matches as captain rather than loss a few to build a great team for future.



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5 hours ago, lamellavig said:

Your opinion is an indicator of compromised intelligence. There is literally no logical reasoning to support Karthik over Pant. Selection of Karthik has much greater associated opportunity costs.

Like the last bowl six. Tell me anothet clutch moment in Indian cricket. I have lots of patience.

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5 hours ago, lamellavig said:

Your opinion is an indicator of compromised intelligence. There is literally no logical reasoning to support Karthik over Pant. Selection of Karthik has much greater associated opportunity costs.

 

5 hours ago, lamellavig said:

Your stupidity is evident because you do not allow Pant to be worked out. You do not give him a chance but still think he will be worked out. It is utter idiocy. You should never comment on cricket again. 

Can you take your preachy tone and stick it where sun dont shine. Your behavior is very annoying.

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9 minutes ago, sourab10forever said:

I would pick D over Pant any day if it was about TEST MATCHES.

Test cricket is all about defence. Of course, ppl will support defensive cricket.

Steve Waugh and Clive Lloyd disagree

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