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Why aren't Indian test players settled in the format yet even in 30s?


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Pujara is 30+, 55+ tests and yet we are still determining whether he is good enough or not. When will this stop? When he has played 70+ tests?

 

Rohit is 31, he is also on trial mode.

 

Same for Rahane.

 

Only Kohli and Vijay are settled. Generally this happens in first 20-30 matches of a player. After that he is either discarded or goes on to play for long time.

 

Why is India taking so long with these players?

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8 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Pujara is 30+, 55+ tests and yet we are still determining whether he is good enough or not. When will this stop? When he has played 70+ tests?

 

Rohit is 31, he is also on trial mode.

 

Same for Rahane.

 

Only Kohli and Vijay are settled. Generally this happens in first 20-30 matches of a player. After that he is either discarded or goes on to play for long time.

 

Why is India taking so long with these players?

1, there are others available to fill in the gaps.

2, they are not good enough to solidify their positions.  Look at Dhawan looks world beater in India, looks clueless in swinging conditions. Puj looks Dravid in India, looks Chris Martin while playing abroad. Rohit looks Chris Martin while playing tests. Rahane looks brilliant overseas in important tests, looks abject against spin. WTF ?

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2 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Too many condition based bullies in our team.

 

That's the problem. 

 

Playing home tests in one cycle and overseas tests in another is the main reason why we are in this state.

 

This type of chewtiyapa scheduling allows our players to solidify their spots, influence public perception and lure our management into thinking that they will go on to deliver in all conditions.

Yup this sounds more likely the reason. Earlier we used to play overseas matches along with home matches in a year. But not anymore, so failures are masked by stellar performances in 1 type of condition.


Scheduling has screwed us big time.

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There is not a single test batsman today who can score runs in all conditions. Root struggles in Australia, Kohli is yet to perform well against swing and Steven Smith has issues with lateral movement as well.

 

The previous generation greats like Sachin, Lara, Dravid and Ponting who scored in all conditions do not exist now. 

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

fab four was a golden period. You get four-fve settled players like them in a team one in 50 or even 100 years. Look at our batting before and after them.

Not really, before them even in 90s, Tendulkar, Azhar, Kumble, Srinath and Mongia were permanent in the team. 

 

1980s

Gavaskar

Shastri

Kapil

Amarnath

Kirmani

 


 

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2 minutes ago, MechEng said:

There is not a single test batsman today who can score runs in all conditions. Root struggles in Australia, Kohli is yet to perform well against swing and Steven Smith has issues with lateral movement as well.

 

 The previous generation greats like Sachin, Lara, Dravid and Ponting who scored in all conditions do not exist now. 

Kohli's failure is England is highlighted. Dravid spent entire career struggling in SA. Wasn't great in SL and did well in Aus in 1 series. Ponting struggled in India - how is he different from Kohli then. 

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14 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Kohli's failure is England is highlighted. Dravid spent entire career struggling in SA. Wasn't great in SL and did well in Aus in 1 series. Ponting struggled in India - how is he different from Kohli then. 

Dravid did underperforming in SA but he never had a specific technical weakness in his batting unlike Kohli who struggled with off stump awareness. Ponting's struggles against India was largely psychological than a technical one, he did very well against Sri Lanka when Murali was at his prime.

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I think it might be due to often chopping & changing in the batting order. During the first hour of play when commentators were discussing about Pujara's difference in stats in home & overseas, Sunny G remarked that batsmen like Pujara & Rahane don't even get a consistent stay at no.3 & no. 5. They are either dropped or batting positioned changed. 

I hoped he would take the name of Rahul as well, but he did not mention it. This explains why only Kohli & Vijay are settled. One of the opening slots & no. 4 is booked for these guys.

Pujara's performance in overseas & Rahane facing spin in India is really a headache for the team management. Frankly, we don't even have replacements or a solution for the time being. 

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36 minutes ago, Turning_track said:

I think it might be due to often chopping & changing in the batting order. During the first hour of play when commentators were discussing about Pujara's difference in stats in home & overseas, Sunny G remarked that batsmen like Pujara & Rahane don't even get a consistent stay at no.3 & no. 5. They are either dropped or batting positioned changed. 

Pujara has batted at 3 overseas consistently n failed

Rahane has batted at 5 n failed at home consistently 

 

If u dnt perform ull be dropped, Sunny g like many ex - cricketer is afraid say the difficult but right thing. This is a problem of ability not chopping n changing

36 minutes ago, Turning_track said:

I hoped he would take the name of Rahul as well, but he did not mention it. This explains why only Kohli & Vijay are settled. One of the opening slots & no. 4 is booked for these guys.

Rahul has tattoos , sunny g doesnt like that 

 

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8 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Not really, before them even in 90s, Tendulkar, Azhar, Kumble, Srinath and Mongia were permanent in the team. 

 

1980s

Gavaskar

Shastri

Kapil

Amarnath

Kirmani

 


 

I am talking about batsmen, you are bringing in bowlers and keepers. Shastri was settled but was mediocre. Need to check how many times amarnath got dropped. We have Saha as a keeper settled if he is fit 

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