Stradlater Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Happy Eid to everyone those who celebrate. MechEng and velu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alam_dar Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) Muslims told me on Eid (few years ago), Atheists have no festivals of their own as it is not a systems but a disease, and thus Ex-Muslims atheists still celebrate Eid and Ex-Christian atheists still celebrate Christmas. I told them, people celebrate due to their human nature, and not due to religion. Our old Punjabi culture had the celebration of "Besakhi" (the start of the spring season). Iranians also had the Norouz, which was again related to start of spring season. Then humanity started the celebrations of "mother day" and "father day" which are based on love and totally non-religious festivals. Then humanity started the celebration of "Valentines Day", which is again not a religious festival but based upon love and human nature. === I kept on wishing "Eid Mubarak" to the Muslims. And I still do it. But only to those who are moderate Muslims. As far as the extremist Muslims are concerned, then I have stopped wishing them. It is due to the reason that they stop their children to show any kind of joy on the festivals of Non-Muslims as it is a sin for which Allah will punish them. Unfortunately, their numbers have increased beyond imagination. Such extremism is not limited to Salafies (i.e. Wahabies) only, but present Sunni Ulama and Shia Ulama also returning to original Islam and prohibiting younger Sunni and Shia generations to stop wishing the Non-Muslims on their festivals. And their teaching is even if any Muslim has to join the non-Muslims festivals (due to job, or other social issues) then it should only be outwardly, while from inside Muslims should always oppose and hate it. === Sharia Ruling: Non-Muslims should not be allowed to celebrate their festivals openly in the Islamic State At maximum, people think that Muslims are not allowed to wish them on their Non-Muslim festivals. Unfortunately, the situation is much more dangerous than this. Sharia Teachings are following this pathway: * Non-Muslim festivals are Evil and they are from Devil. * Not only Muslims are not allowed to wish the Non-Muslims, but also Muslims have to keep "hatred" against the Non-Muslim festivals. * And in last stage, when Muslims get enough power, then they should by force prohibit the Non-Muslims to openly celebrate their festivals. Largest Saudi Salafi Fatws website writes (link): //Greeting Christians on the occasion of their festivals What is forbidden with regard to congratulating the Christians on the occasion of their festivals is expressing joy to them, being overly polite and showing approval of their actions, even if that is only expressed outwardly without feeling it inwardly. The prohibition concerns those who show any kind of participation or approval, such as giving gifts, verbal greetings, taking time off work, making food, going to places of leisure, and other customs of celebration. Having any intention other than what is said (when congratulating them) does not make it permissible. The outward appearance of these actions is sufficient to say that it is prohibited. It is well known that most of those who take a lenient attitude towards such matters do not intend to join the Christians in their shirk; rather what motivates them in some cases is showing politeness, and in other cases it is shyness, but politeness with regard to falsehood is not permissible; rather what is required is to denounce the evil and strive to change it. In fact some of the (early) scholars are of the view that the one who does these things is a kaafir, because it involves venerating the symbols of kufr. Companion ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas said: The one who follows the tradition of non-Muslims and observes their Nawrooz and Mahrajaan (festivals), and imitates them until he dies like that, will be gathered with them on the Day of Resurrection. Ameer al-Mu’mineen ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (the 2nd Caliph), the Sahaabah and all the imams of the Muslims stipulated that Non-Muslims should not celebrate their festivals OPENLY in the lands of the Muslims; rather they should do that privately in their houses. // On every Eid day, although I still wish happy Eid to the Muslims, but I also try to make people aware of this danger. Please don't take it lightly. At moment Muslims are weak and they only prohibit their children to wish the Non-Muslims and tell them to keep hatred against their festivals in their hearts. But as soon as Muslims gets enough power, then in next step they are going to prohibit the Non-Muslims to even celebrate their festivals while all these festivals are from the Devil. We already have a Ban upon Valentines Day in Pakistan. And this ban is not from the extremist Muslims, but it is from the Government of Pakistan and from the High Court of Pakistan. Making people aware of this danger is much more important than wishing Eid Mubarak to the Muslims. Edited June 17, 2018 by Alam_dar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Muslims told me on Eid (few years ago), Atheists have no festivals of their own as it is not a systems but a disease, and thus Ex-Muslims atheists still celebrate Eid and Ex-Christian atheists still celebrate Christmas. I told them, people celebrate due to their human nature, and not due to religion. Our old Punjabi culture had the celebration of "Besakhi" (the start of the spring season). Iranians also had the Norouz, which was again related to start of spring season. Then humanity started the celebrations of "mother day" and "father day" which are based on love and totally non-religious festivals. Then humanity started the celebration of "Valentines Day", which is again not a religious festival but based upon love and human nature. === I kept on wishing "Eid Mubarak" to the Muslims. And I still do it. But only to those who are moderate Muslims. As far as the extremist Muslims are concerned, then I have stopped wishing them. It is due to the reason that they stop their children to show any kind of joy on the festivals of Non-Muslims as it is a sin for which Allah will punish them. Unfortunately, their numbers have increased beyond imagination. Such extremism is not limited to Salafies (i.e. Wahabies) only, but present Sunni Ulama and Shia Ulama also returning to original Islam and prohibiting younger Sunni and Shia generations to stop wishing the Non-Muslims on their festivals. And their teaching is even if any Muslim has to join the non-Muslims festivals (due to job, or other social issues) then it should only be outwardly, while from inside Muslims should always oppose and hate it. === Sharia Ruling: Non-Muslims should not be allowed to celebrate their festivals openly in the Islamic State At maximum, people think that Muslims are not allowed to wish them on their Non-Muslim festivals. Unfortunately, the situation is much more dangerous than this. Sharia Teachings are following this pathway: * Non-Muslim festivals are Evil and they are from Devil. * Not only Muslims are not allowed to wish the Non-Muslims, but also Muslims have to keep "hatred" against the Non-Muslim festivals. * And in last stage, when Muslims get enough power, then they should by force prohibit the Non-Muslims to openly celebrate their festivals. Largest Saudi Salafi Fatws website writes (link): //Greeting Christians on the occasion of their festivals What is forbidden with regard to congratulating the Christians on the occasion of their festivals is expressing joy to them, being overly polite and showing approval of their actions, even if that is only expressed outwardly without feeling it inwardly. The prohibition concerns those who show any kind of participation or approval, such as giving gifts, verbal greetings, taking time off work, making food, going to places of leisure, and other customs of celebration. Having any intention other than what is said (when congratulating them) does not make it permissible. The outward appearance of these actions is sufficient to say that it is prohibited. It is well known that most of those who take a lenient attitude towards such matters do not intend to join the Christians in their shirk; rather what motivates them in some cases is showing politeness, and in other cases it is shyness, but politeness with regard to falsehood is not permissible; rather what is required is to denounce the evil and strive to change it. In fact some of the (early) scholars are of the view that the one who does these things is a kaafir, because it involves venerating the symbols of kufr. Companion ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas said: The one who follows the tradition of non-Muslims and observes their Nawrooz and Mahrajaan (festivals), and imitates them until he dies like that, will be gathered with them on the Day of Resurrection. Ameer al-Mu’mineen ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (the 2nd Caliph), the Sahaabah and all the imams of the Muslims stipulated that Non-Muslims should not celebrate their festivals OPENLY in the lands of the Muslims; rather they should do that privately in their houses. // On every Eid day, although I still wish happy Eid to the Muslims, but I also try to make people aware of this danger. Please don't take it lightly. At moment Muslims are weak and they only prohibit their children to wish the Non-Muslims and tell them to keep hatred against their festivals in their hearts. But as soon as Muslims gets enough power, then in next step they are going to prohibit the Non-Muslims to even celebrate their festivals while all these festivals are from the Devil. We already have a Ban upon Valentines Day in Pakistan. And this ban is not from the extremist Muslims, but it is from the Government of Pakistan and from the High Court of Pakistan. Making people aware of this danger is much more important than wishing Eid Mubarak to the Muslims. Gee relax grandpa it's only an Eid wishing thread. You gotta lay it off sometimes. Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Stradlater said: Gee relax grandpa it's only an Eid wishing thread. You gotta lay it off sometimes. Perhaps you are right. I will try. Stradlater 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cric_fan Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Muslims told me on Eid (few years ago), Atheists have no festivals of their own as it is not a systems but a disease, and thus Ex-Muslims atheists still celebrate Eid and Ex-Christian atheists still celebrate Christmas. I told them, people celebrate due to their human nature, and not due to religion. Our old Punjabi culture had the celebration of "Besakhi" (the start of the spring season). Iranians also had the Norouz, which was again related to start of spring season. Then humanity started the celebrations of "mother day" and "father day" which are based on love and totally non-religious festivals. Then humanity started the celebration of "Valentines Day", which is again not a religious festival but based upon love and human nature. === I kept on wishing "Eid Mubarak" to the Muslims. And I still do it. But only to those who are moderate Muslims. As far as the extremist Muslims are concerned, then I have stopped wishing them. It is due to the reason that they stop their children to show any kind of joy on the festivals of Non-Muslims as it is a sin for which Allah will punish them. Unfortunately, their numbers have increased beyond imagination. Such extremism is not limited to Salafies (i.e. Wahabies) only, but present Sunni Ulama and Shia Ulama also returning to original Islam and prohibiting younger Sunni and Shia generations to stop wishing the Non-Muslims on their festivals. And their teaching is even if any Muslim has to join the non-Muslims festivals (due to job, or other social issues) then it should only be outwardly, while from inside Muslims should always oppose and hate it. === Sharia Ruling: Non-Muslims should not be allowed to celebrate their festivals openly in the Islamic State At maximum, people think that Muslims are not allowed to wish them on their Non-Muslim festivals. Unfortunately, the situation is much more dangerous than this. Sharia Teachings are following this pathway: * Non-Muslim festivals are Evil and they are from Devil. * Not only Muslims are not allowed to wish the Non-Muslims, but also Muslims have to keep "hatred" against the Non-Muslim festivals. * And in last stage, when Muslims get enough power, then they should by force prohibit the Non-Muslims to openly celebrate their festivals. Largest Saudi Salafi Fatws website writes (link): //Greeting Christians on the occasion of their festivals What is forbidden with regard to congratulating the Christians on the occasion of their festivals is expressing joy to them, being overly polite and showing approval of their actions, even if that is only expressed outwardly without feeling it inwardly. The prohibition concerns those who show any kind of participation or approval, such as giving gifts, verbal greetings, taking time off work, making food, going to places of leisure, and other customs of celebration. Having any intention other than what is said (when congratulating them) does not make it permissible. The outward appearance of these actions is sufficient to say that it is prohibited. It is well known that most of those who take a lenient attitude towards such matters do not intend to join the Christians in their shirk; rather what motivates them in some cases is showing politeness, and in other cases it is shyness, but politeness with regard to falsehood is not permissible; rather what is required is to denounce the evil and strive to change it. In fact some of the (early) scholars are of the view that the one who does these things is a kaafir, because it involves venerating the symbols of kufr. Companion ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas said: The one who follows the tradition of non-Muslims and observes their Nawrooz and Mahrajaan (festivals), and imitates them until he dies like that, will be gathered with them on the Day of Resurrection. Ameer al-Mu’mineen ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (the 2nd Caliph), the Sahaabah and all the imams of the Muslims stipulated that Non-Muslims should not celebrate their festivals OPENLY in the lands of the Muslims; rather they should do that privately in their houses. // On every Eid day, although I still wish happy Eid to the Muslims, but I also try to make people aware of this danger. Please don't take it lightly. At moment Muslims are weak and they only prohibit their children to wish the Non-Muslims and tell them to keep hatred against their festivals in their hearts. But as soon as Muslims gets enough power, then in next step they are going to prohibit the Non-Muslims to even celebrate their festivals while all these festivals are from the Devil. We already have a Ban upon Valentines Day in Pakistan. And this ban is not from the extremist Muslims, but it is from the Government of Pakistan and from the High Court of Pakistan. Making people aware of this danger is much more important than wishing Eid Mubarak to the Muslims. Just because you have had bad experiences..doesn’t mean others have. Calm down.You have left Islam but are still obsessed.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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