Trichromatic Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Lost last 5 wickets for 15 runs and the semi-final match against England in 1987 WC. That WC was probably only other genuine chance for Indian team to win one apart from 2011. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8039/scorecard/65116/india-vs-england-2nd-sf/ Link to comment
saik Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 It seems like Gavaskar and Shastri screwed it up. Shastri scored a 21 off 32 with a SR of 65 during the slog overs. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Lala2790 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 India have actually alwaye been mentally soft in biggest games UrmiSinhaRay and Lala 1 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I think both India and Pakistan were robbed by umpires in their respective semis. I wasn't born then but this is based on what I heard from elders. English umpires stood in the Lahore game and Aussie umpires in the Mumbai one....aapas mein setting ho gayi thi in goron ki. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Sandeep99 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) Checked the scorecard and here is a general pattern I observed -- Never bowl first in crucial matches! Yes, 2011 was great but we haven't elected to field first and probably we had our finest ever team playing that match. 1987 semifinal, 1996 semifinal, 2003 final (!!!), 2018 CT final. We batted 2nd even in 2015 semifinal but Australia elected to bat first. Question is whether Kohli learnt anything from history? Lessons for 2019... Edited June 18, 2018 by Sandeep99 UrmiSinhaRay and velu 1 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 38 minutes ago, Sandeep99 said: Question is whether Kohli learnt anything from history? Lessons for 2019... he just has to keep his nerves in the check rest he has the team. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Sandeep99 said: Checked the scorecard and here is a general pattern I observed -- Never bowl first in crucial matches! Yes, 2011 was great but we haven't elected to field first and probably we had our finest ever team playing that match. 1987 semifinal, 1996 semifinal, 2003 final (!!!), 2018 CT final. We batted 2nd even in 2015 semifinal but Australia elected to bat first. Question is whether Kohli learnt anything from history? Lessons for 2019... and in 2011, we were playing at home in our own conditions at Mumbai which is a good place to chase totals against a weak bowling attack. Only Malinga was good. Murli had past it and was struggling with injuries. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Lala Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 15 hours ago, Trichromatic said: Lost last 5 wickets for 15 runs and the semi-final match against England in 1987 WC. That WC was probably only other genuine chance for Indian team to win one apart from 2011. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8039/scorecard/65116/india-vs-england-2nd-sf/ 96 semi final was the most closed one to the victory. Good opening stands of Tendulkar and Manjrekar was ruined by middle order. With the dew factor it was an icing on the cake conditions for home side against an underdog side. UrmiSinhaRay and sarcastic 1 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 52 in 10 was not at all difficult. Sensible batting was not there. Hemmings was a lolly pop bowler. They were over-confident and got out. Indians were celebrating after Pakistan's loss only to see them losing in the next semi. Also number of runs Gooch scored behind long leg were countless. No good field placement to counter his sweeps. Gollum and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 15 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: 52 in 10 was not at all difficult. Sensible batting was not there. Hemmings was a lolly pop bowler. They were over-confident and got out. Indians were celebrating after Pakistan's loss only to see them losing in the next semi. Also number of runs Gooch scored behind long leg were countless. No good field placement to counter his sweeps. we are talking about 80s, 52 in 10 was like mountain in those days. Link to comment
Pollack Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 16 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: 52 in 10 was not at all difficult. Are you drunk buddy? Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted June 19, 2018 Author Share Posted June 19, 2018 2 hours ago, rkt.india said: we are talking about 80s, 52 in 10 was like mountain in those days. They were chasing 250+ in 50 overs. How was 52 in 10 mountain? It's like chasing 350 in 50 overs today and saying 70 in 10 is mountain after scoring 280 in 40 overs. Scoring at 4.5-5 in an inning was norm in that WC. Gollum, philcric, Scar and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 34 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: They were chasing 250+ in 50 overs. How was 52 in 10 mountain? It's like chasing 350 in 50 overs today and saying 70 in 10 is mountain after scoring 280 in 40 overs. Scoring at 4.5-5 in an inning was norm in that WC. So how many times 350 in 50 overs is chased even today? And no 52 in 10 was not like 70 in 10. it was more 80-90 in 10 for those. Link to comment
philcric Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 3 hours ago, rkt.india said: we are talking about 80s, 52 in 10 was like mountain in those days. Not really. 52 runs in 10 overs wasn't a problem in terms of RRR. Loss of wickets at the point was. If the 6th wk partnership added another 15-20 runs in 4 overs, they'd have probably won. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted June 19, 2018 Author Share Posted June 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, rkt.india said: So how many times 350 in 50 overs is chased even today? And no 52 in 10 was not like 70 in 10. it was more 80-90 in 10 for those. Point was not about 350. Point is what you have been scoring for 40 overs, then same in next 10 overs is not mountain. 50 is in 10 overs in 1987 is like 80-90 of now? Kya random baat hai? They were chasing 250 in 50 which means RRR was 5 right from start and Indian team were scoring at 5 till 40 overs. How is 5 in last 10 is difficult if same thing has been happening for last 90 overs of the match. UrmiSinhaRay, philcric, manu4411 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
nevada Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Key batsman Vengsarkar didn't play due to injury. His absence meant that the entire batting lineup batted in a circumspect manner. Chandrakant Pandit played in his place. Big gap in skill and experience levels. At-least he should have been sent in earlier so that he could play more freely with less pressure. Gooch was allowed to sweep more than municipality sweepers, with no counter strategy to check mate his tactic. Besides all these, there was one major, major reason. Young Mahendra Dhoni's home had no telephone connection at that time, otherwise he would have called up Kapil and told him "uncle, aakhri over tak aaraam see khelna, phir settle kar lena". Kapil didn't listen to this advice he never got, and perished to an Afridiesque shot. That killed India's chances. sarcastic, UrmiSinhaRay and Jimmy Cliff 1 2 Link to comment
Sandeep99 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/18/2018 at 2:06 PM, rkt.india said: and in 2011, we were playing at home in our own conditions at Mumbai which is a good place to chase totals against a weak bowling attack. Only Malinga was good. Murli had past it and was struggling with injuries. Agreed completely. Even then we had a jittery start but probably 3 of our best chasers contributed with the bat - Gambhir, Kohli, and Dhoni! UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Sandeep99 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/18/2018 at 3:56 PM, Lala said: 96 semi final was the most closed one to the victory. Good opening stands of Tendulkar and Manjrekar was ruined by middle order. With the dew factor it was an icing on the cake conditions for home side against an underdog side. Not really bhai. Azharuddin made the worst decision of his life (just like Ganguly 7 years later) when he chose to field first on a square turner against probably the best spinner at his peak. Even Jayasuriya was turning the ball square on that dry wicket. Check highlights when you have some time... UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
RAZPOR Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/17/2018 at 8:33 PM, Lala2790 said: India have actually alwaye been mentally soft in biggest games You need to work on your troll game ,you disappoint us UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/17/2018 at 11:33 PM, Lala2790 said: India have actually alwaye been mentally soft in biggest games 11-0 in WC/Wt20 :) must hurt.. UrmiSinhaRay, TheWall and philcric 1 2 Link to comment
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