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1st Match, India A vs England Lions at Derby, Jun 22 2018: 03:30 PM IST

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Prithvi Shaw OUT,IND A 27/1 after 4.1 Overs.Shubhman Gill comes to the crease

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Iyer and Shankar gone.

 

Serious Q, is Shankar international standard? Will he ever make it as an all-rounder? Or are we just wasting time here.

I don't think he has the bowling ability of an all-rounder, and his batting is ok. There are many batsmen who are better picks.

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12 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

Iyer and Shankar gone.

 

Serious Q, is Shankar international standard? Will he ever make it as an all-rounder? Or are we just wasting time here.

I don't think he has the bowling ability of an all-rounder, and his batting is ok. There are many batsmen who are better picks.

He is not that good but being best friends with Iyer must have been the reason for him getting selected not only in DD but here as well.

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26 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

Iyer and Shankar gone.

 

Serious Q, is Shankar international standard? Will he ever make it as an all-rounder? Or are we just wasting time here.

I don't think he has the bowling ability of an all-rounder, and his batting is ok. There are many batsmen who are better picks.

Serious answer - Don't jump to conclusions and be so quick to write off players.  Especially those with potential skill-sets that we don't have too many options of.  These games are for player development.  Its unrealistic to expect constant success. FWIW I'm not a big believer in Shankar either, especially his trundlery "bowling".  But its fair and deserved to give him an extended run at 'A' level.  

 

Goddam Rishabh throwing it away now.  More disappointed with Krunal's innings too.  Poor performance as a unit by India A so far.  Each of these guys are hyped prospects who have their own share of backers for national team selection.  Won't be harsh to judge them of exhibiting a bit of poor temperament here. 

 

"Rahul Sir" is going to ram that particular lesson home today. 

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29 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

Iyer and Shankar gone.

 

Serious Q, is Shankar international standard? Will he ever make it as an all-rounder? Or are we just wasting time here.

I don't think he has the bowling ability of an all-rounder, and his batting is ok. There are many batsmen who are better picks.

Some fan was saying other day Shankar bats better than hack Pant. Completely justified his statement today.

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9 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Serious answer - Don't jump to conclusions and be so quick to write off players.  Especially those with potential skill-sets that we don't have too many options of.  These games are for player development.  Its unrealistic to expect constant success. FWIW I'm not a big believer in Shankar either, especially his trundlery "bowling".  But its fair and deserved to give him an extended run at 'A' level.  

 

Goddam Rishabh throwing it away now.  More disappointed with Krunal's innings too.  Poor performance as a unit by India A so far.  Each of these guys are hyped prospects who have their own share of backers for national team selection.  Won't be harsh to judge them of exhibiting a bit of poor temperament here. 

 

"Rahul Sir" is going to ram that particular lesson home today. 

That's the problem for me. The bowling will never be international standard, so he needs to make that up with some exceptionally good batting. Well, he's shown potential, but has also shown himself to be out of his depth

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6 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

That's the problem for me. The bowling will never be international standard, so he needs to make that up with some exceptionally good batting. Well, he's shown potential, but has also shown himself to be out of his depth

Player's capability levels are not static, he could improve you know.  Not saying that he will, but my point is that Indian team needs to consistently have a slot or 2 booked in A teams for pace-bowling allrounders.  I'd rather see young Shankar in the 'A' team ahead of a Binny.  If there are other contenders - Nagarkoti etc I'm all for trying them out as well.   

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Iyer and Shankar gone.
 
Serious Q, is Shankar international standard? Will he ever make it as an all-rounder? Or are we just wasting time here.
I don't think he has the bowling ability of an all-rounder, and his batting is ok. There are many batsmen who are better picks.


He is poor man's Hardik Pandya(and that kinda gauge where his career is going)
Players like Nagarkoti can turn out to be bettet Fast Bowling all rounders than this Shankar if you invest time behind them.

It is a pity that despite having such a big population and large sample base, we still have a fragile team.
We have some good bowlers though who keep saving the matches
Else the batsmen are all hit and miss except Kohli

And we will continue to be the Country of Weird Batsmen and Clueless AllRounders even in 2050
I know all rounders are useful, but our selectors' morbid obsession with the concept of all rounder will ensure only unfinished hacks get into the team just to checkmark a criteria, to fulfill a formula.
Whereas it would have been actually better to get an extra pure bowler or batsman with more superior skill in their respective job for match winning.
But we have to run with a bits and pieces player because- formula!

Ofcourse the bowlers eventually need to learn to hold a bat-but I do think the all rounder concept is a bit flawed in Indian Applications.




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Shardul gets 1st wicket LBW, ENG A 15/1 after 3.4 Overs

 

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2 hours ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:


 

 


He is poor man's Hardik Pandya(and that kinda gauge where his career is going)
Players like Nagarkoti can turn out to be bettet Fast Bowling all rounders than this Shankar if you invest time behind them.

It is a pity that despite having such a big population and large sample base, we still have a fragile team.
We have some good bowlers though who keep saving the matches
Else the batsmen are all hit and miss except Kohli

And we will continue to be the Country of Weird Batsmen and Clueless AllRounders even in 2050
I know all rounders are useful, but our selectors' morbid obsession with the concept of all rounder will ensure only unfinished hacks get into the team just to checkmark a criteria, to fulfill a formula.
Whereas it would have been actually better to get an extra pure bowler or batsman with more superior skill in their respective job for match winning.
But we have to run with a bits and pieces player because- formula!

Ofcourse the bowlers eventually need to learn to hold a bat-but I do think the all rounder concept is a bit flawed in Indian Applications.




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Cricket is evolving.  And teams need to play at least 2 if not 3 multi-tool players in the XI - you can't afford to have a wicket-keeper who doesn't contribute with the bat at a useful SR.  Same way, you can't afford to have a team consisting purely of specialist batsmen and bowlers.  

 

And quality allrounders aren't going to magically drop out of the sky.  If the selectors consistently reserve slots in A teams, domestic teams for players of that skill-set, more and more players will work on sharpening their secondary skill to try and get that slot.  Eventually, after a period of time, you're going to start seeing some quality emerge.  

 

Its the same reason why England and Australia struggle to produce native spinners - their FC system has zero incentives for domestic teams to select and groom spinners - so they have to settle for the likes of Zampa, Moeen Ali etc.  Unless the system creates a pipeline with incentives and consistent selection of a type of player, you cannot expect to magically find "talent".  Modern day professional sports don't work that way.  "Talent" has to be polished and produced.  So its good to see the mediocre likes of Rishi Dhawan, Stuart Binny, Vijay Shankar etc given opportunities.  Eventually sifting through the hordes of Binnys and Laxmi Ratan Shuklas, will yield the odd Hardik Pandya, or maybe, even the next Kapil Dev.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

AFAIK he ended the IPL injured, no?

no he played KKR's last match too, these tours are meant for youngsters to learn and Mavi is perfect candidate with a huge upside than these Thakurs and Chahars. 

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no he played KKR's last match too, these tours are meant for youngsters to learn and Mavi is perfect candidate with a huge upside than these Thakurs and Chahars. 
Chahar toh Thik hai but Thakur no no.

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