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12 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Why? Because he got out?  That happens to batsmen.  You should be more forgiving of dismissals for batsmen if they get out in their first few balls, as opposed to a guy who gets out after facing 30-odd.  Sometimes good batsmen will get out to a decent ball early in their innings.  Its not book cricket you know. 

Well with so many batsmen perfoming i doubt he ll get forgiveness from selectors,my forgiveness is least of his problem.

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12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

these small things will come n bite him when he ll compete with shubhman gill or a KL rahul . Shubhaman gill might be a bit young now but he is tremendously talented and as he gets better his extra talent will challenge Vihari atleast in LOI

From overs 28 to 40 - 13 overs, 'A' team scored barely 60 runs.  Doing that on a batting friendly track, against weak bowling, after a platform of 187 in 27 overs has been set?  This to me, is a poor performance.   On the surface, you look at a score of 350 in 50 overs, and it would be easy to think 'batting did a good job'.   I think this was a let-down.   

 

In today's ODIs - overs 1-10 and 30-40 are the ones that determine whether you end up with a genuine par+ score - one that puts pressure on the chasing team - that number is north of 360 now.  

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23 minutes ago, sandeep said:

One shouldn't read too much into scorecards of games, and especially developmental games like 'A' teams.  But having said that, I can't help but think that Vihari's innings here has been on the slower side of things.  Look at the context of his innings - Until Shaw got out in the 28th over or so, the team RR was above 6.5.  At that point, Vihari was well-settled and had his 'eye in'.  He should have shouldered the team momentum from there on.  But he's at basically a run-a-ball.  Not great IMO.  

 

In a high scoring game, against a weak opposition that's already been knocked out of the tournament and has lost all its games - to score barely run-a-ball - AFTER crossing 50?  How do you justify that?  Its not like there was a collapse at the other end either.  

Vihari was 87 of 90 and scored 60 in 41 after that, will say 10 runs short.

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5 minutes ago, sandeep said:

From overs 28 to 40 - 13 overs, 'A' team scored barely 60 runs.  Doing that on a batting friendly track, against weak bowling, after a platform of 187 in 27 overs has been set?  This to me, is a poor performance.   On the surface, you look at a score of 350 in 50 overs, and it would be easy to think 'batting did a good job'.   I think this was a let-down.   

 

In today's ODIs - overs 1-10 and 30-40 are the ones that determine whether you end up with a genuine par+ score - one that puts pressure on the chasing team - that number is north of 360 now.  

Have you checked other batsmen who came after Shaw it was their jobs to hit out, every one can't go berserk. Had he been out hitting at that moment we might not have even reached to this total. Eng who is playing at their home couldn't re able to reach to this total against this same WI side. 

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1 minute ago, raki05 said:

I think Vihari played considerably well. After Shaw got out he hold one end and also  help us reach to 350 highest total of this tournament.

I strongly disagree.  This 'A' team had plenty of batting to come after Vihari.  The team did not need Vihari to "hold one end" when the scoreboard is reading 187/3 in 28.   He should have shouldered the responsibility of keeping the innings run-rate going - put aside thoughts of increasing it - that's what I would want actually.  But instead he let things drift.  It didn't help that the new man Hooda came in and wasn't able to score quickly.  But at that point in time, you can't blame the guy who has just walked in to the crease.   Its the set batsman that has to keep things moving.  

 

This is the classic mistake that Indian fans make when looking at batting performances.  Vihari's score looks nice on the sheet - 147(131) - numerically its a good score at a decent SR.  But that doesn't tell you the whole picture.  It doesn't tell you the fact that at a stage of the innings where the team should have really put the foot down and targeted a score that would be essentially unchaseable - 370+ etc - Vihari chose to "consolidate".  He scored his first 50 off 50-55 balls - no problem with that.  He also scored 35 or so off his last 25 balls - not bad.  But given the platform that was set, his 2nd 50 was quite slow.  And needlessly so.  

 

Against a weak inexperienced team like this WI "A" - it wont even matter - we will win by 100+ runs margin.  But against better teams, you owe it to your bowlers to give them that extra cushion - especially when its so doable.  Next thing you know, a team like Aus/SA even SL ( in the CT) chase down a 340 against us, and its the poor bowlers who get blamed.  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Vihari was 87 of 90 and scored 60 in 41 after that, will say 10 runs short.

He was 50 off 48 or so - that's quite good.  I have a problem with him taking another 56 balls to score 50.  That might seem OK, but in the context of the game is quite sub-par.  At that point, we had Hooda at the crease, and Ishan Kishan, Vijay Shankar, Goutham still to bat.  Even Chahar is handy.  There is no argument for needing to "consolidate".  

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6 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Have you checked other batsmen who came after Shaw it was their jobs to hit out, every one can't go berserk. 

Who decided its "other batsmen's" job to hit out?  Its the set batsman's job to shoulder responsibility of keeping the scoring momentum going.  This is flawed thinking.  

 

And nobody's asking him to "hit out" and slog away.  In a game where the team was cruising at 6.5 runs an over, its obvious that a set batsman can easily maintain that pace, or about 7-8 an over, without taking too many risks.  Nobody's saying he should have started scoring at 10 runs an over.  

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5 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Who decided its "other batsmen's" job to hit out?  Its the set batsman's job to shoulder responsibility of keeping the scoring momentum going.  This is flawed thinking.  

 

And nobody's asking him to "hit out" and slog away.  In a game where the team was cruising at 6.5 runs an over, its obvious that a set batsman can easily maintain that pace, or about 7-8 an over, without taking too many risks.  Nobody's saying he should have started scoring at 10 runs an over.  

But run rate is already more than 7 run an over at the end of the inning . The other day Shaw and Agrawal played really fast but we still end up scoring some 309 or something. So sometimes you have to play according to the situation, i don't say you are completely wrong when you say he should have played a bit faster he should have but than he din't play that slow as well during entire inning. I know you are frustrated with Rohit ( Rightly so) and may be it is influencing your judgement towards an youngster. I think we should give him few more chance to see how he perform over a longer period. I remember when he played one ipl i never liked him as he was very slow and touted as test specialist, but then now if i see him he has really improved so i would give him an A (not A+) for this inning and that's purely my opinion you may disagree with that.

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Was the site inaccessible yesterday? I wasn't able to access the site and today I checked the India vs Ireland thread and there were only 8 replies.
Yeah even I was not able to access it.

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15 hours ago, Laaloo said:

Wait how come Vijay shankar and Deepak hooda came before kishan? Which idiot is making these moves?

This is an A team game. These are preparatory tours and not supposed to be played with perfect or best combination all the time.  Such games give the chance to expose and prepare players for possibly different situations and circumstances.

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Wait how come Vijay shankar and Deepak hooda came before kishan? Which idiot is making these moves?
These are A tours and idea is to create a pool of players....
Vijay Shankar is the only pace bowling all-rounder we have....may be he is not good enough for intl cricket but still he has to given chances for 2 reasons
1. Gives opportunity to improve and hone his skills
2. Clear message is send out to all the domestic players that pace bowling allrounders are need of the hour and if you are even half good, you have a shot at indian team.

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I get the feeling that...this A tour is totally useless...
These pitches are extremely batting friendly and nothing like England swing pitches....
The while idea of these matches is too seperate husk from rice. Now, every tom, dick and Harry is scoring runs and we don't know who is technically equipped to face the challenging conditions.
I get the feeling that Vihari and Gill may be good enough and others are mediacore.

Only team which provides challenging conditions to A team is WI. No point touring these useless A tours to England and Australia.

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30 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

I get the feeling that...this A tour is totally useless...
These pitches are extremely batting friendly and nothing like England swing pitches....
The while idea of these matches is too seperate husk from rice. Now, every tom, dick and Harry is scoring runs and we don't know who is technically equipped to face the challenging conditions.
I get the feeling that Vihari and Gill may be good enough and others are mediacore.

Only team which provides challenging conditions to A team is WI. No point touring these useless A tours to England and Australia.

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swing pitches? Wtf is that

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37 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

I get the feeling that...this A tour is totally useless...
These pitches are extremely batting friendly and nothing like England swing pitches....
The while idea of these matches is too seperate husk from rice. Now, every tom, dick and Harry is scoring runs and we don't know who is technically equipped to face the challenging conditions.
I get the feeling that Vihari and Gill may be good enough and others are mediacore.

Only team which provides challenging conditions to A team is WI. No point touring these useless A tours to England and Australia.

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England only have batting pitches in ODIs.

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1 hour ago, CoverDrive said:

Deepak Chahar is standout so far. It almost feels like he should be in senior team

he can be ,i still don't trust him bowling at the death though,and umesh can do the wicket taking job at the front if given chance.

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Deepak Chahar is standout so far. It almost feels like he should be in senior team
Totally agree...
On this placid batting pitches, he has bowled his heart out...
Definitely deserves a go....should be ahead of shardul Thakur for sure...

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there are no 'swing' pitches.. swing depends upon the overhead conditions not the pitch :facepalm:
Pls let it go...
I have typed this over phone ...that too when I was travelling...

Instead of using the term "pitches", I should have used the word "conditions"

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21 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8746/scorecard/1145667/england-lions-vs-india-a-final-england-a-team-tri-series-2018

 

The match begins, n the CSK quota takes chahar the 1st wkt :finger:

And thakur the other CSK quota has bowled 2 out of 2 maidens :--D

Thakur to be honest is an ordinary player.He was thrashed in the international format.

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3 minutes ago, Switchblade said:

Thakur to be honest is an ordinary player.He was thrashed in the international format.

Every single international bowler has been thrashed in LOIs as most pitches are roads these days.Even Starc had gone for runs.So that alone cant make you a bad bowler.

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Thakur to be honest is an ordinary player.He was thrashed in the international format.
International cricket and A tours have a lot of gap TBH.
Also , the quality of coaching is more intensive in the top level in SENA countries and even in Bangladesh and SL but reverse in India

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Normally I wouldnt want any team to bat second in damn final! But this is a developmental tour and I want to see how our batsmen thrive under pressure.
Chahar is useless once the ball gets old and Krunal Pandya ain't fooling anyone with his bowling.

India is gonna win it but the same players will get thrashed in the senior level.
Dekh lena


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