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Well, in China too number of girls is less than boys.

 

And Chinese girls are taking full advantage of this and showing lot of  "Nakhray". Boys are almost blackmailed to give them lot of gifts to win their friendship, and they approval for marriage. 

 

Hopefully Indian girls and their families also become aware of this that market value of girls has been increased, and boys have to give the dowry in order to get a yes from girls. :ahaa:

 

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10 minutes ago, chewy said:

Problem is, keeping India aside, how can one take such surveys seriously when US is ranked 10!

 

I can think of half dozens countries (some I have been to) where it’s definelty much much worse than US,  from attitudes to women,to law enforcement for women, freedom

 

 

Exactly, think of some of the countries left off the list Iran, South Africa, Brazil. In what way can the US be on the list?

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29 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Hence calling out such polls based on perception. The ranking should always be on data. These ideologically influenced polls are like the ones like UNESCO declaring India has the best National Anthem. Let's compare data based on per million of population and discuss. 

Data is not always readily available for many countries. Also reporting could be an issue. For e.g. my perception is that Pak would fare worse than India on most metrics but a lack of reliable data from Pak because of reporting issues could potentially place it in a better position relative to India's 

 

Polls are not always supposed to be scientific. It could be similar to a few experts choosing the best 11 on cricinfo :dontknow: 

 

Irrespective for its rank, the concern is that India is not one of the best places to be if you are a women 

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16 minutes ago, chewy said:

Problem is, keeping India aside, how can one take such surveys seriously when US is ranked 10!

 

I can think of half dozens countries (some I have been to) where it’s definelty much much worse than US,  from attitudes to women,to law enforcement for women, freedom

 

 

We can always dig holes in the poll but it is believed that India is not among the best places to be if you are a women.

 

And For my knowledge, which countries are you referring to and on what is your opinion based on?

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15 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Well, in China too number of girls is less than boys.

 

And Chinese girls are taking full advantage of this and showing lot of  "Nakhray". Boys are almost blackmailed to give them lot of gifts to win their friendship, and they approval for marriage. 

 

Hopefully Indian girls and their families also become aware of this that market value of girls has been increased, and boys have to give the dowry in order to get a yes from girls. :ahaa:

 

One child policy. Implement one child policy in India and sex ratio will come plummeting down even more in a couple of decades . Misogyny is a worldwide phenomenon...only Nordic countries are doing well in this regard.

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12 minutes ago, zen said:

Data is not always readily available for many countries. Also reporting could be an issue. For e.g. my perception is that Pak would fare worse than India on most metrics but a lack of reliable data from Pak because of reporting issues could potentially place it in a better position relative to India's 

 

Polls are not always supposed to be scientific. It could be similar to a few experts choosing the best 11 on cricinfo :dontknow: 

 

Irrespective for its rank, the concern is that India is not one of the best places to be if you are a women 

Polls and ranks based on perception is as unscientific as it can get. Even based on unreliable data is more scientific and logical.

 

In any case, just to focus on India we need to worry about female infanticide. The best way to tackle this is through a seismic shift in  culture. As parents don't force kids to live with you after they are married. Girls settling down with the inlaws after marriage is the one reason why girls are ignored (paraya concept). Add Dowry to the mix, parents invest more in marriage than to make the girl educated and employed. Thinking that girls are a liability is the main reason for female infanticide. 

 

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6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Polls and ranks based on perception is as unscientific as it can get. Even based on unreliable data is more scientific and logical.

 

In any case, just to focus on India we need to worry about female infanticide. The best way to tackle this is through a seismic shift in  culture. As parents don't force kids to live with you after they are married. Girls settling down with the inlaws after marriage is the one reason why girls are ignored (paraya concept). Add Dowry to the mix, parents invest more in marriage than to make the girl educated and employed. Thinking that girls are a liability is the main reason for female infanticide. 

 

Also the crime against women need to be alleviated. Having grown up in Gujarat, where you can find women driving around without fear even after mid-night, it is sad to see that the situation in the entire Ind may not be the same 

 

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9 hours ago, beetle said:

Not surprising.

When just being born is a struggle for many girl babies.....rest is not surprising.

People prevent girl births in all classes...poor, middle class, rich. 

Shameful.

Hopefully this will get the discussion back on track. Who cares what the polls say or the UN Says, let us first acknowledge the real issues and try to discuss on what can be done to mitigate and eradicate those.

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8 hours ago, beetle said:

Probably in case of poor because they often don't have the means and also because they usually have no social pressure to have less kids and better life style.

 

The sex ratio in delhi is worse in the richer upper class regions of delhi.

Thats shocking and depressing

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3 hours ago, zen said:

Also the crime against women need to be alleviated. Having grown up in Gujarat, where you can find women driving around without fear even after mid-night, it is sad to see that the situation in the entire Ind may not be the same 

 

Not sure of this, even in USA, women can move freely after midnight in Manhattan, but not in bronx/harlem or even Chicago south side. So, can't single out India alone. Those places in USA, even men cannot walk freely past midnight. 

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2 hours ago, eternalhope said:

Hopefully this will get the discussion back on track. Who cares what the polls say or the UN Says, let us first acknowledge the real issues and try to discuss on what can be done to mitigate and eradicate those.

The OP is used by libtards to trash out the BJP government. That is also an issue at hand here. Of course, nobody is suggesting India is like Denmark/Switzerland.

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5 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

The OP is used by libtards to trash out the BJP government. That is also an issue at hand here. Of course, nobody is suggesting India is like Denmark/Switzerland.

Its ok if OP is trashing BJP because they expect better. The political combination that is supported by lib****s is unimaginable. They are the ones who are responsible for this state of affairs in the first place. Irrespective of who did what, it is a good opportunity for BJP to do something tangible in this area. 

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11 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Not sure of this, even in USA, women can move freely after midnight in Manhattan, but not in bronx/harlem or even Chicago south side. So, can't single out India alone. Those places in USA, even men cannot walk freely past midnight. 

USA is on the list though. 

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42 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

The OP is used by libtards to trash out the BJP government. That is also an issue at hand here. Of course, nobody is suggesting India is like Denmark/Switzerland.

Fear of what libtards would do should not stop us from doing or saying the right thing .... at the end of the day, the goal is to make the region better 

 

I think the how the crimes are now covered by media is putting the issue to the forefront and urging people to bring about a change in the attitude .... Women too have become brave enough to come forward and stand up for themselves 

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3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

The OP is used by libtards to trash out the BJP government. That is also an issue at hand here. Of course, nobody is suggesting India is like Denmark/Switzerland.

Ignore the barbs. Why do you guys see everything thru the BJP prism. 

 

We all know there are real issues. We know the laws in India are more skewed towards the females than males which have been misused in many places where there is awareness and these have to amended in the future, but at the same time a vast majority of people do not have awareness of these laws or access or means to get protection using them. There are so many things we can think of like dowry, illiteracy, female infanticide, sexual abuse and trafficking which happen. The lower sections of the society were anyway always deprived. Now with the western culture becoming fashionable there, you see the women also joining the men in this downward spiral.

 

Unless there is some micro level campaigning at the lowest levels and the society does not realize and react to this impending danger, there is nothing any government can do about it. I think the rat race we are in has made it worse and we have lowered our moral standards. I sometimes joke with my friends that what more than 1000 years of foreign rule could not do, just 70 years of democracy has done to India - broken down the family values and family system which was sustained by the middle class morality.

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There are enough problems with our society and that has to be addressed internally. We don't want these foreign/chrislamocommunist NGOs telling us there are problems. We should tell them to fix their own houses before pointing fingers. There is always some hidden motive behind these NGOs, what good is it to tell us the problems that we already know. They should work or help us on providing solutions/awareness where the government is failing. 

 

Given the utility value of these polls/NGOs is zilch, the only value is to time it to affect elections, which will be used by libtards.

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No one gives a hoot to these external or internal polls. IMO 70% vote based on their previous party affiliations, daily needs, caste or religion, 10% on the money, liquor and other inducements and of the rest 20%, 10 percent don't even vote while most of the rest are more of less impervious and intelligent enough to understand the hidden motives behind this media tamasha. Maybe less than 1% would take these things seriously and even that number keeps going down every election as awareness grows.

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5 hours ago, eternalhope said:

Ignore the barbs. Why do you guys see everything thru the BJP prism. 

 

We all know there are real issues. We know the laws in India are more skewed towards the females than males which have been misused in many places where there is awareness and these have to amended in the future, but at the same time a vast majority of people do not have awareness of these laws or access or means to get protection using them. There are so many things we can think of like dowry, illiteracy, female infanticide, sexual abuse and trafficking which happen. The lower sections of the society were anyway always deprived. Now with the western culture becoming fashionable there, you see the women also joining the men in this downward spiral.

 

Unless there is some micro level campaigning at the lowest levels and the society does not realize and react to this impending danger, there is nothing any government can do about it. I think the rat race we are in has made it worse and we have lowered our moral standards. I sometimes joke with my friends that what more than 1000 years of foreign rule could not do, just 70 years of democracy has done to India - broken down the family values and family system which was sustained by the middle class morality.

One of the best posts I've read in this forum. 

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20 hours ago, rkt.india said:

that's false

India has one of the highest female foeticide incidents in the world. The female child population in the age group of 0-6 years declined from 78.83 million in 2001 to 75.84 million in 2011. During the period 1991-2011, the child sex ratio (0-6 years) declined from 945 to 914

 

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/health/india-witnesses-one-of-the-highest-female-infanticide-incidents-in-the-world-54803

 

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