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Don't think he said anything wrong here because Hurriyat and terrorists are not political parties. Political parties are only four BJP, Cong, NC, and PDP.  Hurriyat and terrorists are other spectrum.

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My taau passed away earlier this year,  he was confined to the hospital bed in the final days when relatives including me came to pay him a visit/cheer him up. On one occasion he looked at us youngsters (me and my cousins) and said that he could die a content man because he wouldn't have to see the ignominy of Pappu as Indian PM...ofc it was said in jest but imagine the trauma this idiotic clown has caused to well meaning citizens when he occupies the minds of dying men...dying people generally think about God/relatives/friends/life. But such is the horror of this Shehzada, truly the day Rahul Gandhi becomes PM it will be even more ominous then Timur's visit to Delhi. And we will see him as Indian PM one day going by past trends :((.

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I vaguely remember before BJP IT cell came into effect, Rahul Gandhi had a huge female fanbase and was widely venerated as eligible bachelor and ladkiyon ki deewana all around.
How times change and table turns around.

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22 minutes ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:

I vaguely remember before BJP IT cell came into effect, Rahul Gandhi had a huge female fanbase and was widely venerated as eligible bachelor and ladkiyon ki deewana all around.
How times change and table turns around.

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Now don't lie Urmi , we know you had a massive crush on the swashbuckling, suave, refined and charming Prince of Venetia that our young Rahul is.

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8 hours ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:

I vaguely remember before BJP IT cell came into effect, Rahul Gandhi had a huge female fanbase and was widely venerated as eligible bachelor and ladkiyon ki deewana all around.
How times change and table turns around.

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Rahul was everything good till he opened his mouth. He spoke and it cleared that he really just is a fool.

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19 hours ago, DHONI_FANN said:

Sala chewtia.. It would be a complete disaster if such joke of a person becomes our PM 

What he said here isn't surprising. Many people honestly believe that ISIS is a perversion of (that which cannot be named) which can be attributed to poverty, lack of education, oppression, discrimination etc. You see all parties in India forward this nonsense, BJP, INC, AAP etc forward this apologia in one way or another.   

 

The reality is, ISIS is pure (that which cannot be named) run by scholars of (that which cannot be named) which attracts even well off foreign fighters from even the developed, Western world.  

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He actually makes a valid point there.  But carrry on with your agenda though.  Btw, I'm no fan of either Rahul or his family business (congress party).

What valid point he’s making? Which many of us are not able to understand.

This is his thread. So there’s no agenda in updating his topic...

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1 hour ago, asterix said:


What valid point he’s making? Which many of us are not able to understand.

This is his thread. So there’s no agenda in updating his topic...

The fact that the vacuum created after destroying the Saddam government, and the choices made by the US to systematically exclude everybody from the Baath party, directly led to the formation of an insurgency with staying power in Iraq, which led to creation of ISIS.  And from a society and governance perspective, it is eminently true that widespread and sustained unemployment is a major ingredient in the crucible that breeds radicalization.  

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1 hour ago, sandeep said:

The fact that the vacuum created after destroying the Saddam government, and the choices made by the US to systematically exclude everybody from the Baath party, directly led to the formation of an insurgency with staying power in Iraq, which led to creation of ISIS.  And from a society and governance perspective, it is eminently true that widespread and sustained unemployment is a major ingredient in the crucible that breeds radicalization.  

The vaccum was in political arena, people were already divided in Iraq on ideology with Shia/Sunni politics. The Baath a Sunni faction backed the Saudi Ummah was against Shia Militia supported by Iran. When Baath was defeated, Shia Militia took over and that's how the ISIS started. Not because of unemployment. This is BS argument from Popat.

 

There is peace in Iran with employment/Jobs, why are they radical?

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22 hours ago, Tibarn said:

What he said here isn't surprising. Many people honestly believe that ISIS is a perversion of (that which cannot be named) which can be attributed to poverty, lack of education, oppression, discrimination etc. You see all parties in India forward this nonsense, BJP, INC, AAP etc forward this apologia in one way or another.   

 

The reality is, ISIS is pure (that which cannot be named) run by scholars of (that which cannot be named) which attracts even well off foreign fighters from even the developed, Western world.  

OPindia seems to have found some research to counter that idea

http://www.opindia.com/2018/08/does-joblessness-and-poverty-really-fuel-terrorism/

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Does joblessness and poverty really fuel terrorism?

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The evidence on the matter of whether poverty inspires terrorism points otherwise. According to a research published in the Journal, ‘Studies in Conflict & Terrorism’ by Charles A. Russell, PhD and Bowman H. Miller at the Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Airforce, terrorists have at least a partial university education and belong to an affluent middle or upper-class family.

The abstract of the study which was published online in 2008 states, “Statistics compiled on over 350 known terrorists from eighteen Middle Eastern, Latin American, West European and Japanese groups revealed the composite terrorist as a single male, aged 22 to 24, with at least a partial university education, most often in the humanities. Terrorists who have practised vocations have generally been in law, medicine, journalism, teaching and—in only Turkish and Iranian groups—engineering and technical occupations. Today’s terrorist comes from an affluent middle‐ or upper‐class family that enjoys some social prestige.”

 

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The abstract of his study published in 2007 states, “Employing a series of multiple regression analyses on terrorist incidents and casualties in ninety-six countries from 1986 to 2002, the study considers the significance of poverty, malnutrition, inequality, unemployment, inflation, and poor economic growth as predictors of terrorism, along with a variety of political and demographic control variables. The findings are that, contrary to popular opinion, no significant relationship between any of the measures of economic development and terrorism can be determined. Rather, variables such as population, ethno-religious diversity, increased state repression and, most significantly, the structure of party politics are found to be significant predictors of terrorism.”

Furthermore, Piazza’s research on India found that terrorism here is not a ‘clear product of poor economic development’. The abstract of the study states, “Poorer states in India are not necessarily more prone to terrorism, but states that have outstanding and poorly addressed political disputes do experience a disproportionately high level of terrorist activity.”

 

Even if there was research to the contrary, it would be at best a mixed bag, yet liberandus won't accept what the terrorists themselves say, what their goals are, and why they are doing it. There always has to be some excuse for certain groups. 

 

and some more

https://www.algemeiner.com/2015/02/23/memo-to-obama-unemployment-doesnt-cause-terrorism/

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In 2004, Prof. Alberto Abadie of Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government undertook a study of terrorists’ motives. When he started, he thought that “it was a reasonable assumption that terrorism has its roots in poverty.” By the time he was done, he had concluded that there is “no significant relationship” between the economic conditions in a given country and the rise of terrorists there.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

The vaccum was in political arena, people were already divided in Iraq on ideology with Shia/Sunni politics. The Baath a Sunni faction backed the Saudi Ummah was against Shia Militia supported by Iran. When Baath was defeated, Shia Militia took over and that's how the ISIS started. Not because of unemployment. This is BS argument from Popat.

 

There is peace in Iran with employment/Jobs, why are they radical?

You are mixing apples and architecture with that comparison.  Iran has institutionalized fundamentalism - by definition, liberalism would be radical in that country.  

 

If you think that chronic unemployment, marginalization is not a factor in creating radicals, then there's no point discussing further.

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1 hour ago, sandeep said:

You are mixing apples and architecture with that comparison.  Iran has institutionalized fundamentalism - by definition, liberalism would be radical in that country.  

 

If you think that chronic unemployment, marginalization is not a factor in creating radicals, then there's no point discussing further.

That is the point. I don't think so and you do. So, you should prove it. Osama was a billionaire, all the people who cause 9/11 were not jobless, similarly ISIS was not formed by jobless individuals. ISIS was caused by ideology as you said it did in Iran. 

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9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

That is the point. I don't think so and you do. So, you should prove it. Osama was a billionaire, all the people who cause 9/11 were not jobless, similarly ISIS was not formed by jobless individuals. ISIS was caused by ideology as you said it did in Iran. 

Why so many ISIS recruits from Europe?

What employment problem are they facing in Luton and Birmingham?

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9 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

Why so many ISIS recruits from Europe?

What employment problem are they facing in Luton and Birmingham?

Exactly, Even in Bangladesh Hostage saga, the perps were all well educated from very well known schools/colleges. One was even the son of a local politician. This idea of poverty/unemployment causes terrorism/radicalism is a liberal hogwash just to beat the establishment with. It is in the ideology/version of the religion that causes these acts, which they want to slip it under the rug and ignore the elephant in the ro

 

Some hooligans cause ruckus in the Kanwar rally and they have the gall to blame religion/faith in that case. 

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The easiest thing for every evil in the World to blame on unemployment...

 

Anybody who thinks that it was unemployment which led to the creation of Al-Qaida & ISIS etc, is living in la la land...

 

All these movements are ideology driven. There could be few who would join because of unemployment or being criminals, but majority of them are educated, filled with hatred and blindly follow an evil ideology.

 

All those who joined ISIS from all over the World were not unemployed but actually attracted by the ISIS ideology...

 

 

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5 hours ago, Moochad said:

Even if there was research to the contrary, it would be at best a mixed bag, yet liberandus won't accept what the terrorists themselves say, what their goals are, and why they are doing it. There always has to be some excuse for certain groups. 

 

Yeah, I have seen something from Brookings Institute regarding this issue which found an association between the two, but even they don't say causality... It's not just liberandus though, it's people across the spectrum who think economic development solves everything. 

 

The problem is, even if unemployment/lack of economic opportunities were a factor, one can hardly use it as a sole or even primary factor. There are economically backward ethnic/religious/cultural groups in every diverse country, yet not every disproportionately worse off group turns to terrorism or even violence: there has been little if any large scale political violence by African Americans in the USA, even though they are, by all measures, a economically backwards group. There is some extra masala added to the dish to create something like ISIS. 

 

It seems so intellectually lazy as well, and seems like a sly justification for terrorism IMO. There isn't a place in the world where every single group is equal economically. The closest are places like Japan where there is little diversity in the first place. "Equality" can only exist on paper or in speeches. If the solution to terrorism is "Equality", then there will never be an end to terrorism, so why even invest time/money/resources into solving it?    

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IT cell must be the most relaxed organization in the world. This guy keeps on delivering hits making their job incredibly easy.

Watch closely his reply to the journalist... He's clueless and looking for a cue. The old guy sitting on his right ticks something on the sheet and Pappu gives a quick glance to get the cue..

 

Yes, we are agenda driven and analysing a potential future PM candidate of India... God forbid if he becomes PM...

 

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