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India's lack of bowling options will turn out to be the difference. If one of the 5 bowlers has a bad day we will be relying on Raina. On slow low Indian wickets it may work, not here. England otoh are blessed with good all rounders.

 

Krunal, Shankar and possibly Hooda should have been in the senior ODI squads for a while now. 

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On 6/28/2018 at 7:42 AM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Roy- dhawan ( dhawan is better)

bairstrow- rohit ( rohit is better)

Hales- kohli (not even a comparison, kohli is miles ahead)

Root vs Rahul/iyer/karthik (if rahul plays he is better, iyer no way, karthik - only god knws which way the pendulam will swing)

Butler- dhoni (butler wins here, remains to be seen how much dhoni will narrow the distance)

Morgan- Raina/karthik ( morgan better then raina, with karthik again dnt knw which side of bed he ll wakeup)

Moeen ali vs pandya ( hardik at 7 is way better then moeen)

 

I dnt see the reason to worry to much, they may have players who start well but someone like rohit goes on a level of carnage that no other can 

I don't think it's a question of who is better in terms of skills and talent. England's sheer muscle is vastly superior.

 

I'd agree that Dhawan is a better batsman but  its  hitting prowess that is the most prized asset in ODI batting and Roys SR is 104 Dhawan is 93

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52 minutes ago, Lannister said:

KL Rahul will be most destructive at the top. We will be wasting his talent if we made him to bat in the middle order. It's about time Rohit Sharma stop acting like a b!tch and take some responsibility as a senior member of the team to bat in the middle order. 

Middle order mei asli aukaat saamne aajayegi hitman ki, batting in middle order is most difficult in lois

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Just now, jusarrived said:

How I wish Rohit sharma is played regularly in the middle order. Just 10 games is all I ask for. All our problems could be solved. 

 10 games should be enuf for KL to make the opening spot his and I can bet on anything sharma will get exposed big time lower down the order. 

Haha wanted to say same

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53 minutes ago, Lannister said:

KL Rahul will be most destructive at the top. We will be wasting his talent if we made him to bat in the middle order. It's about time Rohit Sharma stop acting like a b!tch and take some responsibility as a senior member of the team to bat in the middle order. 

Sharma does not have the game to play in the middle order, he's worse than Manish without the help of powerplays. 

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16 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Sharma does not have the game to play in the middle order, he's worse than Manish without the help of powerplays. 

There's valid criticism and then there's prejudiced hyperbole. Rohit never has had issues in rotating strike with the field spread out. Nor does he have a problem in clearing the ropes. He'd do far better than your deluded predictions.

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KL Rahul will be most destructive at the top. We will be wasting his talent if we made him to bat in the middle order. It's about time Rohit Sharma stop acting like a b!tch and take some responsibility as a senior member of the team to bat in the middle order. 

A major problem with the team management is that they consider KL Rahul to be a replacement of Dhawan.
Rohit never gets dropped- while it should be Rohit who should be kicked out.
So, the actual problem never gets solved and our team crumbles in important matches.
Rohit should sit out while Dhawan and Rahul should be the openers.

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8 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

There's valid criticism and then there's prejudiced hyperbole. Rohit never has had rotating strike with the field spread out. Nor does he have a problem in clearing the ropes. He'd do far better than your deluded predictions.

He has been a failure for 6 years in middle order

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18 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Sharma does not have the game to play in the middle order, he's worse than Manish without the help of powerplays. 

It's the toughest job and should fall on the responsibility of a senior player. Making Rahul bat in the middle order who is a natural opener will hinder his development. It's not easy to adjust your game for two different positions for Tests and ODIs. 

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3 minutes ago, Lannister said:

It's the toughest job and should fall on the responsibility of a senior player. Making Rahul bat in the middle order who is a natural opener will hinder his development. It's not easy to adjust your game for two different positions for Tests and ODIs. 

No.3 will be ideal. It’s almost like opening. In England we’re likely to lose wickets early.

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23 minutes ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:


 


A major problem with the team management is that they consider KL Rahul to be a replacement of Dhawan.
Rohit never gets dropped- while it should be Rohit who should be kicked out.
So, the actual problem never gets solved and our team crumbles in important matches.
Rohit should sit out while Dhawan and Rahul should be the openers.

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We can try him in the middle order as we don't have a suitable replacement yet. But keeping Rahul away from the team is just plain stupid. 

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6 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

No.3 will be ideal. It’s almost like opening. In England we’re likely to lose wickets early.

But is Kohli ready to let go of that position? If top 3 can get the job done without the need of Kohli, then it's even better for us. 

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We can try him in the middle order as we don't have a suitable replacement yet. But keeping Rahul away from the team is just plain stupid. 


I agree.
But he gets into the team only as a replacement of In Form Shikhar Dhawan under Kohli.
Rohit gave him a chance in middle order but he failed there.



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15 minutes ago, Lannister said:

He has done reasonably well for MI when batting at #4. He looks a better prospect compare to others, atleast till the world cup gets over. 

I have seen enough of him in intl cricket to see he can't play in middle order

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43 minutes ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:


 

 


Yeah true.
But is Rahul given an extended run in the #4 position?
He is being used as a backup to Shikhar Dhawan.
That's what I felt is wrong.

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yup he needs to be given a long run at 4

 

1 hour ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:


 


A major problem with the team management is that they consider KL Rahul to be a replacement of Dhawan.
Rohit never gets dropped- while it should be Rohit who should be kicked out.
So, the actual problem never gets solved and our team crumbles in important matches.
Rohit should sit out while Dhawan and Rahul should be the openers.

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but ur asking here to drop rohit n make rahul open , how is that solving no.4 problem

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40 minutes ago, Lannister said:

He has done reasonably well for MI when batting at #4. He looks a better prospect compare to others, atleast till the world cup gets over. 

no rohit will fail at 4 again

 

1. he likes the ball coming on bat, which is better at opening then at 4

2. he cnt take pressure so at opening u can play acc to urself, at 4 ull have to play acc to situation

3. at opening he has powerplay where he can get away with poor shot at times if it clears circle, and just clearing circle getting few boundaries get his confidence going

4. he isnt much of rotating strike kind of player so he struggles in middle with someone like kohli or dhoni 

5. he has opened for yrs now and is set their, changing back to middle wnt be easy now 

 

Their was a reason he failed in middle before, IPL is far easier then international cricket 

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1 hour ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:


 

 


I agree.
But he gets into the team only as a replacement of In Form Shikhar Dhawan under Kohli.
Rohit gave him a chance in middle order but he failed there.



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I am talking about Rohit batting at #4. 

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1 hour ago, sarchasm said:

There's valid criticism and then there's prejudiced hyperbole. Rohit never has had issues in rotating strike with the field spread out. Nor does he have a problem in clearing the ropes. He'd do far better than your deluded predictions.

Massive difference taking singles after playing your self in for 15 overs and when you bat in the middle order, in fact even when he's set he struggles in the middle overs. The biggest skill you need coming down the order is playing according to situation, this is where rohit will struggle and especially being poor under pressure, its going to be fun watching this joker bat at 4. 

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36 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

no rohit will fail at 4 again

 

1. he likes the ball coming on bat, which is better at opening then at 4

2. he cnt take pressure so at opening u can play acc to urself, at 4 ull have to play acc to situation

3. at opening he has powerplay where he can get away with poor shot at times if it clears circle, and just clearing circle getting few boundaries get his confidence going

4. he isnt much of rotating strike kind of player so he struggles in middle with someone like kohli or dhoni 

5. he has opened for yrs now and is set their, changing back to middle wnt be easy now 

 

Their was a reason he failed in middle before, IPL is far easier then international cricket 

Completely agree and to add T20s is still fine where you have to just hit from the first ball and little time to think. 

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42 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yup he needs to be given a long run at 4

 

but ur asking here to drop rohit n make rahul open , how is that solving no.4 problem

We don't have a solution for No4 currently, if there is one I can think off it won't happen. 

The only batsmen who can just ease into no4 role is Virat and in fact I think he will win more matches for us at 4. 

 

Dhawan

KL

Gill/pant/shaw

Virat 

 

We can hide a youngster at no3 imo and make a solid Top4.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Lannister said:

He has done reasonably well for MI when batting at #4. He looks a better prospect compare to others, atleast till the world cup gets over. 

That's T20s and more so a domestic one, no one said sharma can't bully mediocre bolwlers. It's when you have to do that when the team needs you and against quality bolwres the lesser players succumb 

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10 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

We don't have a solution for No4 currently, if there is one I can think off it won't happen. 

The only batsmen who can just ease into no4 role is Virat and in fact I think he will win more matches for us at 4. 

 

Dhawan

KL

Gill/pant/shaw

Virat 

 

We can hide a youngster at no3 imo and make a solid Top4.

 

 

 

do not change virat position, he is ur best batsman

HE has said in past he likes to control things from no.3 and let him do it. His perfomance wnt be same at 4 , neither will someone be as good as him at 3. So lets not even try

 

We did that with tendulkar to, he wasnt half as effective n niether was he happy

 

Always give ur best player whatever he wants coz he will win u max number of games. U dnt fix what aint broken. 

 

Gill/shaw are new so needs more experience as of now . Pant isnt helping his case as of now in India-A, others are doing much better. Shaw has huge flaws with his game and wud be exposed at international level soon.........so needs to play domestic n A-games for sometime to polish his batting . 

 

No.4 solution is KL rahul. The guy has 100 in T20 at 4 ....how many has that 

 

and again u do not drop a batsman with rohit sharma record, n m one of his harshest critic saying this u cannot touch his place at this point in Odi cricket 

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1 hour ago, Lannister said:

It's the toughest job and should fall on the responsibility of a senior player. Making Rahul bat in the middle order who is a natural opener will hinder his development. It's not easy to adjust your game for two different positions for Tests and ODIs. 

 

Test opening is easily the toughest batting spot in cricket and for the shorter format its the reverse. 

I have a lot respect for Viru, cos hes one of the few batsmen who took up a much tougher role than he was specialised at. A middle order batsmen going on to be become a great Test opener is unheard of. Normally its the reverse, every one wants to open in LOIs and hide behind in Tests. Sharma is one such case. Just  cos he's a senior he will not take up a tougher role now, even if he's forced due pressure from media/fans he will not do well. 

 

KL is a specialist test opener, so for him batting in the middle order in Tests should be easy and opening in ODIs is much easier, middle order may be not. KL is a very versatile batsmen though unlike Rohit  and if he's in the same league as Virat he should be able to adapt. Question though is it worth the risk? 

 

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We would have to go with the following:

 

* Dhawan

* Rohit / Rahul

* Kohli

* Rahul / Rohit

* Karthik

* Dhoni (? .... will be around till 2019 at least)

* Pandya

 

and hope for the best .... 

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