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Test bowling is when one gets wickets by being consistent with certain lines and lengths and uses variations as deliveries to create doubt, doing all this when batsmen are looking only to defend most of your deliveries. 

 

ODI bowling is taking wickets when batsmen are trying to score runs off your bowling, restricting them as well, at times this could even mean not attacking the stumps. 

 

There is a degree of difference on what is needed for tests and ODI. but kuldep does look good, might be good to try in a few tests to see how he goes.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Gollum said:

Well they said the same about Rashid Khan and it didn't turn out so well for him and his team in Chinnaswamy. 

rashid khan has no experience playing first class cricket.kuldeep has shown he can outshine ashwin already,lets hope they dont bring him in once we are already down.

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4 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

rashid khan has no experience playing first class cricket.kuldeep has shown he can outshine ashwin already,lets hope they dont bring him in once we are already down.

He outbowled hernia wrecked Ashwin in 1 innings in Dharamsala. In the 2nd innings of the same match Ash outbowled him and was also better in the Lanka test they played together....Kuldeep's FC stats aren't as good as his list A numbers. More importantly he isn't great with the bat and lower order runs will be vital in the tests. 

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Even if there are few left handers in the England team i dont think Ashwin making a mark in the test series..A red hot Kuldeep Yadav is the need of the hour,The English test team posseses whole set of new batsmen,so I can anticipate them dancing tonthe tunes of the Chinaman

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6 hours ago, Gollum said:

He outbowled hernia wrecked Ashwin in 1 innings in Dharamsala. In the 2nd innings of the same match Ash outbowled him and was also better in the Lanka test they played together....Kuldeep's FC stats aren't as good as his list A numbers. More importantly he isn't great with the bat and lower order runs will be vital in the tests. 

Have you noticed that his bowling speeds has improved and also the zip?? This was the major issue before...no wonder his Fc stats are not that great

This guy should be tried in the first test....

 

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But we (shastri+kohli) don't have any common sense.

 

1. We had KLR playing first class for so long while rahane occupied no.4 spot in LoI.

2. Same rahane was removed from test cricket because Rohit was given his spot at no.4 in the test squad

3. Another superb player pant is not allowed to play for Raina because we are insecured that even as a specialist batsman, pant's very presence in the LoI squad will put pressure on our aging keeper MSD.

 

So basically we are morons and we will play Ravi jadeja inspite of Kuldeep Yadav who is fast becoming the SRT of Chinaman bowling.

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i think we need to pick the bowlers for tests based solely on form, i would certainly pick umesh,ishant and kuldeep ,yes ishant i detest that guy but he looked in superb rythm against afghans, i ll definitely like to see him play first 2 tests

my xi

vijay

dhawan

rahul

kohli

rahane

dk

pandya

bhuvi

kuldeep

ishant

umesh

 

Though english conditions are ideal for bhuvi, i am not sure about him looking at his form, tough call between between him and bumrah 

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1 hour ago, gakgupta said:

Have you noticed that his bowling speeds has improved and also the zip?? This was the major issue before...no wonder his Fc stats are not that great

This guy should be tried in the first test....

 

no, nothing has improved. till he improves his bowling action, those things wont improve.

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44 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

no, nothing has improved. till he improves his bowling action, those things wont improve.

rkt bhai....visually he appeared quicker in this eng-Ire tour.....

Did anyone noticed that?

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19 minutes ago, Khota said:

Kuldeep is ahead of Ashwin in any format. Ashwin has not done anything lately.

In tests Ashwin was leading wicket taker in both the series against Lanka in the 2nd half of last year and outbowled Maharaj in SA. But yeah he has done nothing lately, there is a limit to how much someone can be biased but you seem to be an exception:congrats:.

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35 minutes ago, Gollum said:

In tests Ashwin was leading wicket taker in both the series against Lanka in the 2nd half of last year and outbowled Maharaj in SA. But yeah he has done nothing lately, there is a limit to how much someone can be biased but you seem to be an exception:congrats:.

Anytime something comes up about Ashwin you get personal. Ashwin was dead last in CT. No need to compare Ashwin with maharaj, he needs to be compared with indian spinners. You are so attached to a player that you fail to see logic. Even I want him to succeed but he has lost it of late.

 

Now your next move will be to call me South Indian hater.

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2 minutes ago, Khota said:

Anytime something comes up about Ashwin you get personal. Ashwin was dead last in CT.

CT was ODi cricket and he is dropped from that 

We are talking about place in test cricket which is played by red ball . 

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

No need to compare Ashwin with maharaj, he needs to be compared with indian spinners. You are so attached to a player that you fail to see logic. Even I want him to succeed but he has lost it of late.

What logic are u talking about by comparing his ODi form of last yr for he has been already dropped for test cricket

 

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49 minutes ago, Khota said:

Anytime something comes up about Ashwin you get personal. Ashwin was dead last in CT. No need to compare Ashwin with maharaj, he needs to be compared with indian spinners. You are so attached to a player that you fail to see logic. Even I want him to succeed but he has lost it of late.

 

Now your next move will be to call me South Indian hater.

CT=ODIs...he no longer is in the ODI/T20 squad

Tests=Tests

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Kuldeep is ahead of Ashwin in any format. Ashwin has not done anything lately.

I won't label you a hater because you support Karthik over Saha in tests and guys like Rayudu, Shankar, Iyer, Washington who are bang mediocre. However I do find you illogical, besides I wouldn't have even responded but you can't make sweeping statements and expect to go unquestioned. Had you said Ashwin isn't performing as per your expectations that was ok, but to say he has done nothing lately betrays facts. 

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1 hour ago, Lannister said:

Just drop Pandya and add Kuldeep in his place. We need to go with the attacking mindset. Just hope Kohli plays Test specialists as batsmen rather than his buddies. 

That is the correct approach but that needs a evolution in thinking which certain people on this forum are not capable of.

There are plenty of flat earthers on this forum with their  flag bearer @Ankit_sharma03

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

CT=ODIs...he no longer is in the ODI/T20 squad

Tests=Tests

I won't label you a hater because you support Karthik over Saha in tests and guys like Rayudu, Shankar, Iyer, Washington who are bang mediocre. However I do find you illogical, besides I wouldn't have even responded but you can't make sweeping statements and expect to go unquestioned. Had you said Ashwin isn't performing as per your expectations that was ok, but to say he has done nothing lately betrays facts. 

I think he has relinquished his test spot also. He really needs to improve to get a psot.

 

Raydu and Iyer are not mediocre. They are good that is why I pick them. Washington has lot of potential so dont rule him out.

 

Shankar I am not sold on so will not support him currently.

 

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46 minutes ago, UnknownGenius said:

Dhawan

Vijay

Rahul

Kohli

Rahane

kKd

Ashwin

Jadeja

Bhuvi

Ishant

Kuldeep

 

Play to your strengths. Play 3 spinners. If pitch is green, play another quick in place of Jaddu or kuldeep

Vijay, Jadeja and Ashwin I am not so sure about. Need to find way to Umesh in but 3 spinners ishould be a preferred strategy.

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12 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Rukk jao thodi thand rakho, their is time for test series

Look at the pitches, if these guys start to play well kuldeep by the end of ODi series.........everyone will backout of this idea

 

Sabko bht jaldi rehti hia 

:p: Kuldeep ko samajhna Mushkil he nahi namomkin hain..I can write with 100 percent confidence that Kuldeep will play in tests either with ASHWIN or ahead of ASHWIN...i mean if it is one Spinner than Kuldeep will play and not ASHWIN and if two spinners are played than kuldeep and ashwin both may play(if its not a Fast track , two spinners could be played, i expect a fast track).

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17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

m acutually a flagbearer of making u a joke now on this forum

Is that your purposeon this forum? So instead of discussing cricket you have personal vandetta against me. You come across like a very petty person. I am glad I dont know you.

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14 minutes ago, Khota said:

Is that your purposeon this forum? So instead of discussing cricket you have personal vandetta against me. You come across like a very petty person. I am glad I dont know you.

against u ?????  who are u..........did u run away with money that ill have vendetta against u

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12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

against u ?????  who are u..........did u run away with money that ill have vendetta against u

Looks like you are obsessed with me. That is a very unhealthy behavior. I think you need a break so quit reponding to my posts for sometime till you cool off. I dont have time for hot heads.

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In England the spinner is going to be the stock bowler, bowling long spells whilst the pacemen in shorter bursts. I don't think That is  a role Kuldeep can play. 

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1 hour ago, Sooda said:

In England the spinner is going to be the stock bowler, bowling long spells whilst the pacemen in shorter bursts. I don't think That is  a role Kuldeep can play. 

I disagree strongly.Shane Warne wrecked England completely in England.It is possible for a wrist spinner to make a huge difference in England.The present England  batsmen have shown that they cant handle sustained good spin bowling and eveyrbody except Butler is not even picking him atm.

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Their sheer inability to read him off the pitch or from the air makes a strong case for his inclusion. If they really want to see off Ashwin they can do much more easily than they can see of Kuldeep. But if the pitches are drier they could have both. 

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On 7/4/2018 at 10:35 AM, Temujin Khaghan said:

But we (shastri+kohli) don't have any common sense.

 

1. We had KLR playing first class for so long while rahane occupied no.4 spot in LoI.

2. Same rahane was removed from test cricket because Rohit was given his spot at no.4 in the test squad

3. Another superb player pant is not allowed to play for Raina because we are insecured that even as a specialist batsman, pant's very presence in the LoI squad will put pressure on our aging keeper MSD.

 

So basically we are morons and we will play Ravi jadeja inspite of Kuldeep Yadav who is fast becoming the SRT of Chinaman bowling.

Heck even they are not allowing KKD ahead rains who is in the team. Coz if he perform like he did in Nidhas final grey bird ll be exposed.

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I think by the end of the ODI leg they started reading Kuldeep well. Now the real challenge starts for him when batsmen know what to expect and won't get bamboozled. Mendis had a brilliant start to his career but he couldn't improve once batsmen had him figured. Rashid is unplayable in T20s but he may not enjoy the same success even against Ranji batsmen with the red ball. Kuldeep has a higher ceiling than both but to proclaim him as a Messiah at such an early stage is not necessarily going to help our fortunes. 

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BTW was it a strategic blunder on our part to play him in the shorter formats? Who cares about T20s or ODIs when there is a 5 test series on the line? May be he should have directly started his tour in the Edgbaston test ahead of Ashwin. 

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The picking of Kuldeep for the Lord's test is probably one of  the worst selections  I have seen in all my years of playing and watching cricket. Made a lot worse by the fact he wasn't picked on the first morning but on the second morning after a whole days rain with  rain and cloud forecast for the rest of the test. Unbelievable that Kohli and Shastri have not been held to account for this in a huge way !!

 

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