Hey MSK Prasad, learn from Pak selectors

[prudent_kreeda]

Just now, Cricket_Fan said:

This.There is a reason why Padosis get whitewashed even by Lankans at home.We have a process and people has to go through that and prove their mettle.

    Yes . Process is fine . Only needs a little tweaking. 

     Once you find a player exceptional , he should be fast tracked very quickly to A team and oversea tours . And if does well there , he should  one of the contenders for National selection atleast in one format. Here it should not matter whether he has played in

      Domestic matches . 

      This is where tweaking is required . 

       Take the case of u-19 players . 

       Everybody agrees Gill , Nagarkoti & Mavi  are exceptional. They should have been in A tour . Not Just one dayers but 4 dayers .        Selectors did not do it . Even Pant was drafted at the last minute .

       Selction team headed by say Vengsarkar , More  would pick them in all formats in  A  team &  overseas tours.

 

     Where selectorrs are failing is s going back  to tried  & tested and failed cases. A team performers should get a chance over raina , MSD , even Pandey .

Based on what we have seen in A tour so far, will they consider Mayank , Gill , Shaw , Pant  over Raina , Pandey ,MSD  for the next series ? 

   Thats the million dollar Q . 

 Could be selectors are only to be half - blamed . The RAT -BEWDA -MSD combo has a lot of say in such matters ! 

 

    

[GolGappe]

On 7/5/2018 at 8:51 AM, Austin 3:!6 said:

Say what you want but its very commendable the way Inzy & co (Pak selectors) giving chances to young players regularly. Their U19 world cup squad was atrocious with only 1 good player Shaheen Shah Afridi. They realized his potential and straight away drafted him into national side. They make no bones of it.

 

And here we are with our ignoramus selectors. In the same world cup, the likes of Shubhman Gill and Prithvi Shaw flared better than Afridi. But we choose to give more chances to Raina rather. The star of previous U19 world cup Rishabh Pant is still on the awaiting list. I am a huge Dhoni fan but what is he still doing in T20 team with no WC in sight? What happened to likes of Mavi, Nagarkotti etc? Lokesh Rahul forced his way back onto the team...else we would still have Rahane playing at no.4 for us in LOIs.

 

Indian selectors

Excellent post Austin 3:16

All the good work done by Dravid and company at U19 and India A levels is being undone by this very risk-averse selection panel. We keep going back to same failures such as Rayudu, Rahane in limited overs where as players like Pant and Gill are waiting on the sidelines forever.

[express bowling]

Having a sound selection process is a good idea. But, what is irritating me are

 

1 )  Having a pecking order and seniority built in the selection process. This is not a 1980s goverment office. The objective should be to choose the best player irrespective of when he entered the selection fray. 

 

Example - Bumrah and Bhuvi were rested in the test match against Afghanistan.  Shardul was the first choice backup.  Saini was included only after Shami was declared unfit.   Now, who has a better chance of becoming a good test bowler ... most people connected to cricket would say Saini ...he is more accurate, quicker, skiddier and taller.  But Shardul got the first nod because he was ahead in the pecking order.

 

2 )   Not sufficient recognition of special talents either by our Team management or by our selectors

 

Examples - a )   A special talent like Rahul is not getting as many chances as he should. Getting dropped from the ODI squad on occasions even. 

 

b )  Shivam Mavi could easily have been selected for the 50-over A-team squad and Shubhman Gill in the 4-day A-team squad.  They are special talents for sure.

 

c )  Pant is not a certainty in A-teams even.   And why was he not selected for the T20I squad after such a superlative IPL  ?

 

Special talents need to be given much more chances.  If there is not sufficient recognition of this then what is the need to have ex-cricketers as selectors  ?   A computer would suffice.

 

 

Edited July 7, 2018 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

These selectors are hell bent on making careers out of mediocre players like they themselves were. They have no eye for talent and doesn't know what is required to be a successful international cricketer.

Edited July 7, 2018 by rkt.india

[Lannister]

On 7/5/2018 at 10:55 PM, Khota said:

Ranji then India A and then selection. You do well in India A you should be selected. Should not fast track anyone ever. Pakistan can do that as they dont have much batting talent. In India you have to go through these stages. Nothing wrong with that if done properly.

This. But the selectors are still failing to make the right decisions, like selecting Pandey for T20s, just goes to show how clueless they are with their job. 

[jf1gp_1]

Elevation of U19 player that too a bowler this quick is bold but not new for pak selectors. Inzi i feel is atleast trying to find the spot to fill and then placing a player for the role unlike what we used to see from them in past, select XI and then try to fit them. So good work Inzi. 

[raki05]

On 7/5/2018 at 10:55 PM, Khota said:

Ranji then India A and then selection. You do well in India A you should be selected. Should not fast track anyone ever. Pakistan can do that as they dont have much batting talent. In India you have to go through these stages. Nothing wrong with that if done properly.

What performance Raina has in domestic which pant or other youngsters don't have.

[raki05]

On 7/5/2018 at 11:19 PM, Cricket_Fan said:

This.There is a reason why Padosis get whitewashed even by Lankans at home.We have a process and people has to go through that and prove their mettle.

Than why did we got phainta in all imp final and SF post 2013 if process is so well placed. And who can forget the pahinty dished out on 18th June 17 by the same team who got washed out by Lankans.

[raki05]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

Having a sound selection process is a good idea. But, what is irritating me are

 

1 )  Having a pecking order and seniority built in the selection process. This is not a 1980s goverment office. The objective should be to choose the best player irrespective of when he entered the selection fray. 

 

Example - Bumrah and Bhuvi were rested in the test match against Afghanistan.  Shardul was the first choice backup.  Saini was included only after Shami was declared unfit.   Now, who has a better chance of becoming a good test bowler ... most people connected to cricket would say Saini ...he is more accurate, quicker, skiddier and taller.  But Shardul got the first nod because he was ahead in the pecking order.

 

2 )   Not sufficient recognition of special talents either by our Team management or by our selectors

 

Examples - a )   A special talent like Rahul is not getting as many chances as he should. Getting dropped from the ODI squad on occasions even. 

 

b )  Shivam Mavi could easily have been selected for the 50-over A-team squad and Shubhman Gill in the 4-day A-team squad.  They are special talents for sure.

 

c )  Pant is not a certainty in A-teams even.   And why was he not selected for the T20I squad after such a superlative IPL  ?

 

Special talents need to be given much more chances.  If there is not sufficient recognition of this then what is the need to have ex-cricketers as selectors  ?   A computer would suffice.

 

 

Great post.....besides no one can perform in all the tournaments (Ranji, duleep, IPL, ATours) in single season , this is pathetic criteria, Heck we have dhoni who is non performer in international t20 for 10 yrs, Raina who always try to save his ass from short balls, Pandey whos half of batting is designed on Msd, Raydu who was completely missing in entire domestic  and A tours and then got in to odi  based on ipl.Tell me when a non performing international can keep on playing in team inspite of being perennial failure then why do we have  such stringent criteria for talented youngsters like Saw,Pant, Gill, Mavi and Nagarkotti. Not that international s who are in team is irreplaceable bloddy they are  pathetic and selfish.

[rkt.india]

21 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Great post.....besides no one can perform in all the tournaments (Ranji, duleep, IPL, ATours) in single season , this is pathetic criteria, Heck we have dhoni who is non performer in international t20 for 10 yrs, Raina who always try to save his ass from short balls, Pandey whos half of batting is designed on Msd, Raydu who was completely missing in entire domestic  and A tours and then got in to odi  based on ipl.Tell me when a non performing international can keep on playing in team inspite of being perennial failure then why do we have  such stringent criteria for talented youngsters like Saw,Pant, Gill, Mavi and Nagarkotti. Not that international s who are in team is irreplaceable bloddy they are  pathetic and selfish.

and Dhoni made it to the Indian team on the back of one India A series. His domestic record was nothing to talk about. They were looking for someone who could whack the ball around and keep and he got selected.  Rest is history.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, raki05 said:

What performance Raina has in domestic which pant or other youngsters don't have.

Raina currently is good enough to be in the ODI team. The spot I question the most is Sharma's.

[Pollack]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Raina currently is good enough to be in the ODI team. The spot I question the most is Sharma's.

Why you always speak opposite to obvious so confidently? Clearly, Raina's selection is most questionable than Rohit. Raina had done absolutely nothing spectacular to make a comeback. 

[Khota]

9 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Why you always speak opposite to obvious so confidently? Clearly, Raina's selection is most questionable than Rohit. Raina had done absolutely nothing spectacular to make a comeback. 

Sharma has ben mucking it up for a while whereas Raina had a good IPL. I speak with humility and not confidence.

[raki05]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Raina currently is good enough to be in the ODI team. The spot I question the most is Sharma's.

Oh is it are you saying Raina of past 1-2 year better than Sharma. Sharma is bad but there is no way he is as pathetic as Raina of now. Who anticipate every ball as short ball.

[Temujin Khaghan]

Drafting u19 fast bowlers into the national squad is something Pakistani selectors do on a regular basis.

 

If Shaheen was Indian, he would be broken down on Indian roads until he 25 and lost 10mph from his pace (munaf)

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

Sharma has ben mucking it up for a while whereas Raina had a good IPL. I speak with humility and not confidence.

Raina is pathetic, still cnt play bouncer. Even ireland bounced him out . Eng bowling doesnt have much in it so he might not get caught but wait till he faces Aus, SA, NZ, PAK n even WI bowler if they use their brains 

Raina shud not play for india again

Even in IPL he didnt look comfortable against good pace. 

Edited July 7, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

There are lot of positives to be learned from Pakistan. There coaching is much better than India's but there attitude towards India is not healthy.

[Khota]

19 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Raina is pathetic, still cnt play bouncer. Even ireland bounced him out . Eng bowling doesnt have much in it so he might not get caught but wait till he faces Aus, SA, NZ, PAK n even WI bowler if they use their brains 

Raina shud not play for india again

Even in IPL he didnt look comfortable against good pace. 

raina is not pathetic as you make him out to be. He has been putting runs on board even in IPL. Sharma has lost it and shold be benched. India lost because of the top order collapse. Sharma and Dhoni both need to be dropped for match 3.

[Ankit_sharma03]

31 minutes ago, Khota said:

raina is not pathetic as you make him out to be. He has been putting runs on board even in IPL. Sharma has lost it and shold be benched. India lost because of the top order collapse. Sharma and Dhoni both need to be dropped for match 3.

He ipl was decent only, also it doesnt make a batsman 

Raina plays every ball expecting a short ball , he is a disastor waiting to happen 

 

Dhoni performed in last game , cnt bench him

[Khota]

10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He ipl was decent only, also it doesnt make a batsman 

Raina plays every ball expecting a short ball , he is a disastor waiting to happen 

 

Dhoni performed in last game , cnt bench him

Dhoni should never have got the nod over Karthick. There was no justification for dropping Karthick over Doni. His keeping does not have that flair to it either.

 

Rainas IPL was good enough and he did score runs too. He was not a bad choice. Problem was the top order.

 

Anyway these things do happen and I expect India to win game 3.