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3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

This looks bad.  Whenever he has no support he is clueless as we saw with RCB. 

A captain always needs support , with RCB he has ABDV who is as fickle minded as him 

Even dhonoi had support of zak , sachin, sehwag n all seniors n when they were not in team even he faced issues 

Ganguly to had gr8 support with him

 

Its the job of seniors to help a captain, sometimes its important to give diff perceptive 

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40 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

A captain always needs support , with RCB he has ABDV who is as fickle minded as him 

Even dhonoi had support of zak , sachin, sehwag n all seniors n when they were not in team even he faced issues 

Ganguly to had gr8 support with him

 

Its the job of seniors to help a captain, sometimes its important to give diff perceptive 

Dhoni had a bowling captain as long as Zak was in. But by and large he was in control be the moves were dumb or stupid. In 2007 world cup had nobody. In all the IPL editions teams changed he was always the captain. I don't see that presence from Kohli. He just goes and fields at long on. Not sure what sort of control he can have over the fielders from there.

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

Dhoni had a bowling captain as long as Zak was in. But by and large he was in control be the moves were dumb or stupid. In 2007 world cup had nobody. In all the IPL editions teams changed he was always the captain. I don't see that presence from Kohli. He just goes and fields at long on. Not sure what sort of control he can have over the fielders from there.

no doubt kohli is a clueless captain that why i think most of us here want him out of the job post Wc. Thats why i really hope rohit the batsman keep performing so he can take the captaincy. Coz when gambhir the captain shud have taken over  test captaincy from dhoni he was led by gambhir the batsman . 

 

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2 hours ago, jusarrived said:

RCB came in as big favs most of the seasons. Stop being so blind 

How will they be favorites when they never had any bowlers, all they had was batting and Starc.They never had any balance in their team.

 

Stop looking for faults everytime and enjoy the ride.He is best captain for this team and he is greatest test captain India ever had and lois it is work in progress and he will learn.

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2 hours ago, putrevus said:

How do you think he clueless, he never had proper team with RCB. Any captain will look clueless on flat pitches.


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banglore hasnt been that flat in last 2 yrs, Wankhade is also flat n yet MI has won 3 times

U play 7 games on other venues to .....

 

Kohli ki clueless kaptaani ki list bht lambi hai 

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12 minutes ago, kosingh said:

I always laugh when things are not going well, then Dhoni takes over. And the commentators say, "it's only because he can see the angles better than Kohli"

every wk can see angles better

I dnt remeber any commentator saying its only becoz he can see angles well, wo jo marzi angle dekh le ...peeche se jo marzi bol le jab tak bowler sahi jagah ball nhin daalega.......achi buri advice ka koi faida nhin

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6 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

Dhoni is an amazing captain. Kohli has the opportunity to learn under him. He'll know how MSD deals with various situations and will do him well in the future.

 

This is something that goes against the "Kohli ego" crap, but some people need very little reason to moan

Virat has no ego when it's gets to MS. He ll prob boss around new kids in the team but he knows his importance. 

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6 hours ago, putrevus said:

How do you think he clueless, he never had proper team with RCB. Any captain will look clueless on flat pitches.


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We are not talking about winning of trophy.  Lot of teams won with bunch of rookies. It is the way he stands there cluelessly and reacts to different situations.  Gambhir/Dhoni/Rohit all looked better than him.

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We are not talking about winning of trophy.  Lot of teams won with bunch of rookies. It is the way he stands there cluelessly and reacts to different situations.  Gambhir/Dhoni/Rohit all looked better than him.

That is your imagination that he is clueless. Dhoni looked more clueless than any other captain during 0-11 streak. Kohli revived whole Indian team just based on his pure intensity after horrible first test and first day during Bangalore test against Aussies.

Bowlers when they are leaking any captain looks clueless. Brendon Mac lost a test due his captaincy after his team scored 523.

Kohli is doing just fine. Don’t find reasons for sake of finding them.


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7 hours ago, putrevus said:


That is your imagination that he is clueless. Dhoni looked more clueless than any other captain during 0-11 streak. Kohli revived whole Indian team just based on his pure intensity after horrible first test and first day during Bangalore test against Aussies.

That was test captaincy, dhoni was a poor test captain similary kohli is a poor LOI captain

But when it comes to LOI dhoni was a very good captain....

We arent questioning kohli's test captaincy 

 

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Errr....I don't think we have ever had any 6 series wins on the trot under Dhoni. 

 

Maybe Dhoni never listened to his seniors. Kohli atleast acknowledge the fact that dhoni is better and more experienced than him at this and cares to listen.

Kohli is a great leader in the making.

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4 minutes ago, sourab10forever said:

Errr....I don't think we have ever had any 6 series wins on the trot under Dhoni. 

 

Maybe Dhoni never listened to his seniors. Kohli atleast acknowledge the fact that dhoni is better and more experienced than him at this and cares to listen.

Kohli is a great leader in the making.

Kohli is a great captain in making but he should really improve his team selections. 

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Well we can only judge whether Kohli is clueless or not if Dhoni not available in some LOI series...

 

Maybe at that time Rohit will come to rescue...

 

It’s a know fact and commentators have also confirmed, Dhoni is mainly in charge on the field.

 

I won’t mind Dhoni being in charge on field as long as Kohli is captaining in LOIs... He took five catches and a runout. Advised every bowler throughout during their overs... If India managed to pull back England batsmen from scoring, Dhoni had a significant contribution... you can hate him as much you like but can’t deny his contributions...

 

Dhoni maybe excels being manipulator “behind the scenes”... and that’s what is happening currently and I don’t mind as long as this arrangement is working...

 

I still don’t like him pumping his own set of players... But then Kohli also gets his own set of players selected...

 

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15 hours ago, putrevus said:

How will they be favorites when they never had any bowlers, all they had was batting and Starc.They never had any balance in their team.

 

Stop looking for faults everytime and enjoy the ride.He is best captain for this team and he is greatest test captain India ever had and lois it is work in progress and he will learn.

Guess whos responsible for that ? Same stupid team selections .

Never had bowlers ? He has a big say in how gets picked in the squad , let alone the playing 11 . 

This year he had Chahal , Kulwant Khejroliya , Aniket Chowdry , Umesh Yadav , Tim Southee , Chris Woakes , Grandhomme , Moen Ali at his disposal , lot better than most of IPL teams . Have a  look at RR , CSK , Kings11 etc who neither had great bowling or batting .

 

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5 hours ago, sourab10forever said:

Errr....I don't think we have ever had any 6 series wins on the trot under Dhoni

Errr... 2012/2013 England in india series  to 2013/14 WI in India 

 

5 hours ago, sourab10forever said:

Maybe Dhoni never listened to his seniors

That's 6 in a row when oldies are gone :giggle:

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28 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Errr... 2012/2013 England in india series  to 2013/14 WI in India 

 

That's 6 in a row when oldies are gone :giggle:

Despite Oldie being there.

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12 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

That was test captaincy, dhoni was a poor test captain similary kohli is a poor LOI captain

But when it comes to LOI dhoni was a very good captain....

We arent questioning kohli's test captaincy 

 

How was Dhoni looking in odis when Dekock was smacking 100s for fun in ODI series in SAand NZ looked unbeatable

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1 minute ago, putrevus said:

How was Dhoni looking in odis when Dekock was smacking 100s for fun in ODI series in SAand NZ looked unbeatable

Do u have any doubts he was a good LOI captain???

how was he looking when he won so many trophies, u crib as if everyone wins everything. Whatever dhoni as captain done doesnt matter now ...the subject is virats captaincy now

 

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On 7/8/2018 at 8:00 PM, vvvslaxman said:

We are not talking about winning of trophy.  Lot of teams won with bunch of rookies. It is the way he stands there cluelessly and reacts to different situations.  Gambhir/Dhoni/Rohit all looked better than him.

You are reading too much into it. everyone has different personality. Other than team selections sometimes , he is doing fine.

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20 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Do u have any doubts he was a good LOI captain???

how was he looking when he won so many trophies, u crib as if everyone wins everything. Whatever dhoni as captain done doesnt matter now ...the subject is virats captaincy now

 

It matters because people like are constantly comparing him to Dhoni and talking as if Kohli is bad captain.Kohli is doing just fine in all formats.

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Just now, putrevus said:

It matters because people like are constantly comparing him to Dhoni and talking as if Kohli is bad captain.Kohli is doing just fine in all formats.

then u have to read it completely

PPL say dhoni was a better LOI captain then kohli n Kohli is a better Test Captain

 

To ye to dono ki tareef aur beizzati saath hui 

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Win-win situation for both.

- Dhoni is not the best option at this time, he gets to stay in the team. He was really pathetic in last 2 years. 

- Kohli is pathetic captain, but he gets to be called captain of the team, increasing his brand value.

 

You scratch my back and i will scratch yours. 

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On 7/9/2018 at 7:40 PM, rkt.india said:

More like Father and son.

  After almost 2 years at captaincy , i would prefer RAT to make decisions on his own , only at times he should go to MSD. 

  Tht's when we know he has picked up and evolving.  But what we see is, MSD takes all over esp. when spinners start and Virat not to be seen .   

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

then u have to read it completely

PPL say dhoni was a better LOI captain then kohli n Kohli is a better Test Captain

 

To ye to dono ki tareef aur beizzati saath hui 

No Dhoni is not better captain than Kohli even in odis,Dhoni was good captain in any format if spinners had their say.He looked clueless when spinners were ineffective.

 

Kohli reached CT finals and has won in SA where dhoni never did win.I don't understand why people are complaining about Kohli's captaincy.Other than CT finals loss ( anybody can have a bad day) I don't see how Kohli has given any scope to complain.

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3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No Dhoni is not better captain than Kohli even in odis,Dhoni was good captain in any format if spinners had their say.He looked clueless when spinners were ineffective.

For bold part :hysterical:, even dhoni harshest critics will disagree to that

 

We didnt Win CB series in 2007 with spinners

Even 2007 T20 WC , RP n irfan played big roles when it comes to bowling 

 

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

Kohli reached CT finals and has won in SA where dhoni never did win.I don't understand why people are complaining about Kohli's captaincy.Other than CT finals loss ( anybody can have a bad day) I don't see how Kohli has given any scope to complain.

Dhoni has won CT, in 2013 we were undefeated

In 2017 we had 2 off days , we lost against Lanka to 

 

The SA that dhoni faced n SA that Kohli faced were diff

 

Its not mostly about result , its about what kohli has done with hsi resources. The guy wasted a talent like Rahul on bench for a yr. HE played rohit over rahane in SA (nothing cud beat this foolishnes)

Dnt go far away he played manish pandey against Ireland both games, rahul karthik got 1-1 games

Their have been no backups created for bhuvi n bumrah

He has no plans for 6th bowling option

The guy doesnt give any player a long backing

 

For get comparison with dhoni , rohit in 2-3 series has looked a better n authortative captain then kohli in LOI. Kohli gadha kaptaan hai LOI ka.........n RCB is the best example. Give that same team to gambhir, rohit or dhoni......result wud be far different, player who played n failed under them has gone to other franchise n become successful n player who have come to them have gone down. 

 

People complain coz he is an absolute idiot, his list of foolishness is growing day by day. Every captain makes mistake......his list has already grown in huge number in 1-2 yrs only 

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46 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No Dhoni is not better captain than Kohli even in odis,Dhoni was good captain in any format if spinners had their say.He looked clueless when spinners were ineffective.

 

Kohli reached CT finals and has won in SA where dhoni never did win.I don't understand why people are complaining about Kohli's captaincy.Other than CT finals loss ( anybody can have a bad day) I don't see how Kohli has given any scope to complain.

Might be time for Dhoni to go, and Dhoni might be a poor test captain. But to say that he is worse than Virat as a ODI captain is outrageous. 

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43 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

For bold part :hysterical:, even dhoni harshest critics will disagree to that

 

We didnt Win CB series in 2007 with spinners

Even 2007 T20 WC , RP n irfan played big roles when it comes to bowling 

 

Dhoni has won CT, in 2013 we were undefeated

In 2017 we had 2 off days , we lost against Lanka to 

 

The SA that dhoni faced n SA that Kohli faced were diff

 

Its not mostly about result , its about what kohli has done with hsi resources. The guy wasted a talent like Rahul on bench for a yr. HE played rohit over rahane in SA (nothing cud beat this foolishnes)

Dnt go far away he played manish pandey against Ireland both games, rahul karthik got 1-1 games

Their have been no backups created for bhuvi n bumrah

He has no plans for 6th bowling option

The guy doesnt give any player a long backing

 

For get comparison with dhoni , rohit in 2-3 series has looked a better n authortative captain then kohli in LOI. Kohli gadha kaptaan hai LOI ka.........n RCB is the best example. Give that same team to gambhir, rohit or dhoni......result wud be far different, player who played n failed under them has gone to other franchise n become successful n player who have come to them have gone down. 

 

People complain coz he is an absolute idiot, his list of foolishness is growing day by day. Every captain makes mistake......his list has already grown in huge number in 1-2 yrs only 

Rahul is not Bradman that he cannot be dropped stop quibbling about Rahul, how did he look in two tests he played in SA , he averaged under 10.

 

Everyone looks good when opposition is weak, There is nothing to complain about Kohli's captaincy so far.

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12 minutes ago, kosingh said:

Might be time for Dhoni to go, and Dhoni might be a poor test captain. But to say that he is worse than Virat as a ODI captain is outrageous. 

How is Virat worse captain than Dhoni?????? He has lost 10 matches out of 49 matches. How is it a bad record or where does it show that he has been a bad captain.Dhoni as a captain lost his plot when fast bowlers had to play major role , it did not matter what format he captained. When spinners had their say Dhoni was one of the best.

People tend to forgot how Dhoni's captaincy  cost India two world T20 titles. 2009 CT  India never even reached semis. what happened in 2015 world cup.Dhoni was a captain for long time.I

Kohli is passionate and has hunger to succeed and as a captain his batting has gone to higher levels. I don't understand the need to question his captaincy.

Give him time he will win major trophies too. 

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46 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Rahul is not Bradman that he cannot be dropped stop quibbling about Rahul, how did he look in two tests he played in SA , he averaged under 10.

Rahul is the best Indian batting talent, only an idiot capatin will drop him without giving him proper run 

He was 1st dropped for dhawan who has been awfull overseas, that is not good for anyone confidence....what did dhawan do to take his place or rahane to take his place in ODI

 

Agar bradman bhi hota to kohli usko 3 match baad drop kr deta 

46 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Everyone looks good when opposition is weak, There is nothing to complain about Kohli's captaincy so far.

Dnt even get me started 

 

1. poor selection 

2. lack of vision for future

3. doesnt give any player a long rope

4. Doesnt knw how to use part timers or do something out of the box which is needed in LOI

5. Not utilising his resources fully

6. Bringing Tried n tested failure back in reckoning 

7. As a captain he is poor n nervous in pressure games - thats why we lost CT final , thats why RCB never wins anything

8. Lack of trust among young players 

9. LAck of understanding of right player among formats

Rahane kept played Odi

Rohit n dhawan kept playing test ( rohit has played over rahane overses)

Manish pandey plays t20 

 

34 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How is Virat worse captain than Dhoni?????? He has lost 10 matches out of 49 matches.

Dhoni has more test victories then ganguly, yet ganguly was a better test captain

Teams numbers is mostly dependant on how good teams n opposition are ( currently most teams are really poor). Kohli got a very settled unit , had he gotten a team that was re building he wud have messed it up like he has messed up RCB completely

 

While judging captaincy, it shud be seen how well a captain use his resources and where does he take his team. Kohli has been a gr8 influence but saying he was a better LOI captain then dhoni is a joke. Kohli is a poor LOI captain.......no body here has a doubt. Rohit will out do him as LOI captain . 

Like dhoni had no idea how to handle test captaincy when ship was sinking, similary kohli has no idea in LOI ( luckily his ship hasnt sunk now but the xample is avl with RCB for yrs n yrs now )

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7 hours ago, putrevus said:

Rahul is not Bradman that he cannot be dropped stop quibbling about Rahul, how did he look in two tests he played in SA , he averaged under 10.

 

Everyone looks good when opposition is weak, There is nothing to complain about Kohli's captaincy so far.

Yes no Bradman just better than the players who played ahead of him.

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13 hours ago, kosingh said:

Might be time for Dhoni to go, and Dhoni might be a poor test captain. But to say that he is worse than Virat as a ODI captain is outrageous. 

Yes virat is better odi captain than dhoni, dhoni was just one trick pony, his strength was to choke opposition with spin other than that he was clueless, people talk about how kohli gets clueless under pressure but thn again even dhoni  looked clueless under pressure, he couldn't stop that fat Pakistani opener in aney do series, couldn't stop dekock during sa 2014 tour, he was helpless once jadeja and ashwin are taken for cleaners and unlike that virat is inspirational on field captain, last t20 vs eng he won with 4 fastbowlers with no kuldeep proving that he isn't one trick pony like dhoni besides that he will lead from front opposite to dhoni who hid himself at num 6.  He is already ahead of dhoni in test matches and we will see that in Odis too very soon .

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2 hours ago, speedheat said:

Yes virat is better odi captain than dhoni, dhoni was just one trick pony, his strength was to choke opposition with spin other than that he was clueless, people talk about how kohli gets clueless under pressure but thn again even dhoni  looked clueless under pressure, he couldn't stop that fat Pakistani opener in aney do series, couldn't stop dekock during sa 2014 tour, he was helpless once jadeja and ashwin are taken for cleaners and unlike that virat is inspirational on field captain, last t20 vs eng he won with 4 fastbowlers with no kuldeep proving that he isn't one trick pony like dhoni besides that he will lead from front opposite to dhoni who hid himself at num 6.  He is already ahead of dhoni in test matches and we will see that in Odis too very soon .

In LOIs your best players play down the order , they take responsibilities ..they dont bat top of the order ( definitely dont open )  just to boost their stats .

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On 7/8/2018 at 7:42 PM, putrevus said:


That is your imagination that he is clueless. Dhoni looked more clueless than any other captain during 0-11 streak. Kohli revived whole Indian team just based on his pure intensity after horrible first test and first day during Bangalore test against Aussies.

Bowlers when they are leaking any captain looks clueless. Brendon Mac lost a test due his captaincy after his team scored 523.

Kohli is doing just fine. Don’t find reasons for sake of finding them.


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Dhoni's test captaincy was always questioned just like Kohli's limited over captaincy. Both team selection and onfield reactions to different situations Kohli goes out of ideas quickly. Can't believe you were not able to see it right through his IPL captaincy. 

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25 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

In LOIs your best players play down the order , they take responsibilities ..they dont bat top of the order ( definitely dont open )  just to boost their stats .

If you are thinking kohli bats at the top order to boost his stats then you are misinformed

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19 minutes ago, speedheat said:

If you are thinking kohli bats at the top order to boost his stats then you are misinformed

Kohli is a rare breed who bats at the top order and finishes off matches , hes an upgraded version of Dhoni who had his limitations .

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20 hours ago, putrevus said:

No Dhoni is not better captain than Kohli even in odis,Dhoni was good captain in any format if spinners had their say.He looked clueless when spinners were ineffective.

 

Kohli reached CT finals and has won in SA where dhoni never did win.I don't understand why people are complaining about Kohli's captaincy.Other than CT finals loss ( anybody can have a bad day) I don't see how Kohli has given any scope to complain.

@ bold - how would have Kohli managed to win in SA if it wasn't for the wrist spinners? You are as lame as anyone can get.

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