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3 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

I don't care about Pujaras strike rate, but that average with his SR is unacceptable. He needs to scored hundreds and the rest can play around him. 

Isn't strike rate also one of the issues,in helpful conditions if you just block block n block,one good ball gets you out and you realise you had gone nowhere,he is a nightmare no.3 actually

I believe Rahul can be given a extended run at no.3 for India,equally good against pace n spin and will not let loose balls get away,he may have failures but definitely worth investing rather than continuing with Pujara,who has a proven failed modus operandi

There are so good players coming up and there are slots to be filled in each of three formats but this team management dotes on experienced players a little too much

Having said all this, Pujara is surely getting two matches in the series and has a chance to redeem himself though there is not much hope

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Just now, rkt.india said:

Pujara has scored on toughest of the pitches in India, on square turners. Pujara is already an Indian ATG based on his home record alone, very much like Sehwag who also averages 33 in SENA countries.

hold up champ !   i can see che pu romance beaming out of ur posts !

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1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

He has been playing outside Asia consistently for almost 5 years and averages 27 with bat and that too at SR of 39.

 

That's tailender stuff at no 3. He face 70 balls per inning on average.  So, it's not that he manages to survive long for without scoring runs. For a good no 3 batsman, his average number of deliveries faced should be somewhere around 85-100.

 

Since 2014, he has been surviving 61 deliveries per inning.

 

Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli 2014-2018 18 32 1 1577 200 50.87 2597 60.72 7 3 2 187 3 investigate this query
AM Rahane 2014-2018 16 27 4 1160 147 50.43 2084 55.66 4 5 2 144 5 investigate this query
KL Rahul 2014-2018 7 11 0 396 158 36.00 808 49.00 2 1 1 44 4 investigate this query
M Vijay 2014-2018 16 29 0 1041 146 35.89 2453 42.43 2 6 2 129 8 investigate this query
R Ashwin 2014-2018 11 18 2 544 118 34.00 1084 50.18 2 1 1 56 3 investigate this query
MS Dhoni 2014-2014 9 17 1 534 82 33.37 981 54.43 0 5 2 76 3 investigate this query
S Dhawan 2014-2018 12 22 0 674 115 30.63 1118 60.28 1 3 2 80 3 investigate this query
WP Saha 2014-2018 7 10 0 286 104 28.60 652 43.86 1 0 2 27 2 investigate this query
B Kumar 2014-2018 10 17 3 398 63* 28.42 883 45.07 0 3 3 57 0 investigate this query
RG Sharma 2014-2018 10 18 1 457 72 26.88 1027 44.49 0 2 2 45 10 investigate this query
RA Jadeja 2014-2016 7 13 1 281 68 23.41 408 68.87 0 1 1 38 5 investigate this query
CA Pujara 2014-2018 16 28 0 645 73 23.03 1732 37.24 0 3 2 83 1 investigate this query
Mohammed Shami 2014-2018 15 22 8 237 51* 16.92 327 72.47 0 1 3 27 7 investigate this query

 

 

Only Shami has worse average than Pujara. How is he any different from Rohit Sharma?

 

Pujara (3 fifties in 28 innings)
Bhuvi (3 in 17 innings)

Ashwin (2 100s 1 50 in 18 inning)

Jaddu/Shami (1 fifity each in 13 and 22 innings)

 

Avg balls before dismissals

Dhawan 50

Pujara 61

Bhuvi 63

Rohit 64

Saha 65

Ashwin 67

Rahul 73

Vijay 84

Kohli 84

Rahane 90

 

It's myth that Pujara surives at no 3.

 

 

false comparison. Do others bat at 3?

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1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Pujara has scored on toughest of the pitches in India, on square turners. Pujara is already an Indian ATG based on his home record alone, very much like Sehwag who also averages 33 in SENA countries.

Bhai tu Sehwag ko kyon ghussa let's har discussion mei,actually Pujara can take a leaf out of Sehwag's book by playing ball on it's merit rather than just blocking his way out 

And Pujara is no Indian ATG

One outstanding great innings I can think of Pujara was in Lanka in 15'

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I think Pitches in India have been more bowling friendly in recent years.Against AUS When Starc and Co were Destroying us with reverse swing it was Pujara who turned the series.Pitches play a major role last tour of Sa pitches were too bowler friendly except Kohli,Abdv everybody struggled.I think Pujara will do well this time in England.

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Pujara has scored on toughest of the pitches in India, on square turners. Pujara is already an Indian ATG based on his home record alone, very much like Sehwag who also averages 33 in SENA countries.
I mean last 3 years he is only second to Smith.
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1 hour ago, CG said:

I think Pitches in India have been more bowling friendly in recent years.Against AUS When Starc and Co were Destroying us with reverse swing it was Pujara who turned the series.Pitches play a major role last tour of Sa pitches were too bowler friendly except Kohli,Abdv everybody struggled.I think Pujara will do well this time in England.

Pujara had one great innings in that series, at Bangalore with Rahane. The one at Ranchi was on an absolute pancake, it was Rahul who consistently pulled us out of a hole every game.

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3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

He has been playing outside Asia consistently for almost 5 years and averages 27 with bat and that too at SR of 39.

 

That's tailender stuff at no 3. He face 70 balls per inning on average.  So, it's not that he manages to survive long for without scoring runs. For a good no 3 batsman, his average number of deliveries faced should be somewhere around 85-100.

 

Since 2014, he has been surviving 61 deliveries per inning.

 

Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli 2014-2018 18 32 1 1577 200 50.87 2597 60.72 7 3 2 187 3 investigate this query
AM Rahane 2014-2018 16 27 4 1160 147 50.43 2084 55.66 4 5 2 144 5 investigate this query
KL Rahul 2014-2018 7 11 0 396 158 36.00 808 49.00 2 1 1 44 4 investigate this query
M Vijay 2014-2018 16 29 0 1041 146 35.89 2453 42.43 2 6 2 129 8 investigate this query
R Ashwin 2014-2018 11 18 2 544 118 34.00 1084 50.18 2 1 1 56 3 investigate this query
MS Dhoni 2014-2014 9 17 1 534 82 33.37 981 54.43 0 5 2 76 3 investigate this query
S Dhawan 2014-2018 12 22 0 674 115 30.63 1118 60.28 1 3 2 80 3 investigate this query
WP Saha 2014-2018 7 10 0 286 104 28.60 652 43.86 1 0 2 27 2 investigate this query
B Kumar 2014-2018 10 17 3 398 63* 28.42 883 45.07 0 3 3 57 0 investigate this query
RG Sharma 2014-2018 10 18 1 457 72 26.88 1027 44.49 0 2 2 45 10 investigate this query
RA Jadeja 2014-2016 7 13 1 281 68 23.41 408 68.87 0 1 1 38 5 investigate this query
CA Pujara 2014-2018 16 28 0 645 73 23.03 1732 37.24 0 3 2 83 1 investigate this query
Mohammed Shami 2014-2018 15 22 8 237 51* 16.92 327 72.47 0 1 3 27 7 investigate this query

 

 

Only Shami has worse average than Pujara. How is he any different from Rohit Sharma?

 

Pujara (3 fifties in 28 innings)
Bhuvi (3 in 17 innings)

Ashwin (2 100s 1 50 in 18 inning)

Jaddu/Shami (1 fifity each in 13 and 22 innings)

 

Avg balls before dismissals

Dhawan 50

Pujara 61

Bhuvi 63

Rohit 64

Saha 65

Ashwin 67

Rahul 73

Vijay 84

Kohli 84

Rahane 90

 

It's myth that Pujara surives at no 3.

 

 

This is worst. The amount of deliveries he faces is way less than Vijay who is an opener. Why do we need players like this again? 

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Pujara is technically not that bad to be a hack. But it is not very good either. His problem is his approach. He is far too defensive and he does not have the technique to pull off big innings inspite of it due to his not so good enough technique. Dravid used to bore people to death with his extremely cautious innings but he had the technique good enough to make it count big.

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4 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

He has been playing outside Asia consistently for almost 5 years and averages 27 with bat and that too at SR of 39.

 

That's tailender stuff at no 3. He face 70 balls per inning on average.  So, it's not that he manages to survive long for without scoring runs. For a good no 3 batsman, his average number of deliveries faced should be somewhere around 85-100.

 

Since 2014, he has been surviving 61 deliveries per inning.

 

Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli 2014-2018 18 32 1 1577 200 50.87 2597 60.72 7 3 2 187 3 investigate this query
AM Rahane 2014-2018 16 27 4 1160 147 50.43 2084 55.66 4 5 2 144 5 investigate this query
KL Rahul 2014-2018 7 11 0 396 158 36.00 808 49.00 2 1 1 44 4 investigate this query
M Vijay 2014-2018 16 29 0 1041 146 35.89 2453 42.43 2 6 2 129 8 investigate this query
R Ashwin 2014-2018 11 18 2 544 118 34.00 1084 50.18 2 1 1 56 3 investigate this query
MS Dhoni 2014-2014 9 17 1 534 82 33.37 981 54.43 0 5 2 76 3 investigate this query
S Dhawan 2014-2018 12 22 0 674 115 30.63 1118 60.28 1 3 2 80 3 investigate this query
WP Saha 2014-2018 7 10 0 286 104 28.60 652 43.86 1 0 2 27 2 investigate this query
B Kumar 2014-2018 10 17 3 398 63* 28.42 883 45.07 0 3 3 57 0 investigate this query
RG Sharma 2014-2018 10 18 1 457 72 26.88 1027 44.49 0 2 2 45 10 investigate this query
RA Jadeja 2014-2016 7 13 1 281 68 23.41 408 68.87 0 1 1 38 5 investigate this query
CA Pujara 2014-2018 16 28 0 645 73 23.03 1732 37.24 0 3 2 83 1 investigate this query
Mohammed Shami 2014-2018 15 22 8 237 51* 16.92 327 72.47 0 1 3 27 7 investigate this query

 

 

Only Shami has worse average than Pujara. How is he any different from Rohit Sharma?

 

Pujara (3 fifties in 28 innings)
Bhuvi (3 in 17 innings)

Ashwin (2 100s 1 50 in 18 inning)

Jaddu/Shami (1 fifity each in 13 and 22 innings)

 

Avg balls before dismissals

Dhawan 50

Pujara 61

Bhuvi 63

Rohit 64

Saha 65

Ashwin 67

Rahul 73

Vijay 84

Kohli 84

Rahane 90

 

It's myth that Pujara surives at no 3.

 

 

While I understand your point, this is a wrong way to look at stats.

 

Stats say Rohit faces more balls than Pujara. 

 

Think for a minute. Can this possible be true in terms of reality?

 

Everyone in this forum barring one or two, calls Rohit maggie in test cricket. And everyone also says Pujara sticks on for long but doesn't score.

 

Is it possible that our eyes are lying?

 

Maybe to a certain extent. But probably not to the point where we completely miss the reality.

 

These other batsmen survive more cos they have innings where they scored a lot of runs which would increase the ball count.

 

Example:

 

65 (135)

17 (35)

8 (19)

 

Average: 30

BF: 63

 

In comparison, Pujara is probably like:

 

20 (70)

15 (50)

34 (63)

 

Average: 23

BF: 61

 

Are both the cases same? That too when Pujara is facing and blunting the new ball vs a few others slapping the old ball around from 70-80 overs with the opposition resting the main pacers for the new ball attack?

 

It's not.

 

Pujara does stay long on the crease. Maybe not as long as our eyes would lead us to believe but definitely longer (in real match impact) than these stats seem to portray.

 

Pujara's slow knocks in Lord's, Sydney, SA first test - did play a role in stabilizing the innings and preventing a hopeless collapse. We won in lord's, saved the test in Sydney but unfortunately lost in SA.

 

Not saying he should be playing overseas but let's keep things in perspective.

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2 hours ago, SK_IH said:

Isn't strike rate also one of the issues,in helpful conditions if you just block block n block,one good ball gets you out and you realise you had gone nowhere,he is a nightmare no.3 actually

I believe Rahul can be given a extended run at no.3 for India,equally good against pace n spin and will not let loose balls get away,he may have failures but definitely worth investing rather than continuing with Pujara,who has a proven failed modus operandi

There are so good players coming up and there are slots to be filled in each of three formats but this team management dotes on experienced players a little too much

Having said all this, Pujara is surely getting two matches in the series and has a chance to redeem himself though there is not much hope

I don't disagree, like you said its not easy to survive for long on such pitches, but if Pujara picks that role then he's got to figure out a way to play those in playable balls. He's got to survive 200 balls, not 50 or 70. 

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1 hour ago, Pollack said:

Pujara is technically not that bad to be a hack. But it is not very good either. His problem is his approach. He is far too defensive and he does not have the technique to pull off big innings inspite of it due to his not so good enough technique. Dravid used to bore people to death with his extremely cautious innings but he had the technique good enough to make it count big.

The comparison between Dravid and Pujara is a joke. Rd had all the shots in the book, he was as versatile as Tendulkar with no obvious weakness. Pujara has no scoring shots against fast bowlers and I think his technique against swing is fairly average 

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38 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

The comparison between Dravid and Pujara is a joke. Rd had all the shots in the book, he was as versatile as Tendulkar with no obvious weakness. Pujara has no scoring shots against fast bowlers and I think his technique against swing is fairly average 

So my op was in which language? You are saying the similar thing.

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