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India tour of England : 3 day Practice Match vs Essex | 3:30 PM 25-07-18 ,Chelmsford

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I would be tempted with this lineup:

Vijay

Karthik

Rahane

Kohli

Rahul

Pant (wk)

Ashwin/Pandya

Kuldeep

Shami

Umesh

Ishant

 

This is our best batting lineup in terms of form and ability. Rahul will be better down the order IMO. But alas, Kohli will never be practical or inventive.

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3 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

A green mamba could be our best chance in first test , some how manage ~200 but gives our bowlers a chance to win it for us .

Flat track , we will just get batted out of the game 

Not in this case, we can't win with 1 or 1.5 batters. Also Anders, Broad, Woakes combined are better than any combination of pacers we put up under swinging conditions.

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2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

to be honest, it does not matter. we have two successful overseas batsman in last 30 years SRT  and to some extent Dravid.  Most of others have failed in challenging conditions,

 

Most batters fail in super challenging conditions. But, when our cricketers play test matches outside Asia, they get different kinds of conditions ... super challenging, reasonably challenging, decent, easy etc.

 

If career averages are low outside Asia ... it just points towards lack of consistency there. (  same for non-Asians playing in Asia )

 

Regarding career averages outside Asia, we have had 5 Indians averaging over 50, 8 averaging above 45,  10 batters above 40 and 17 batters above 35.

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=9;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=500;qualval1=runs;size=100;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

 

 

Puajara averages just  27.3 after all of 20 tests outside Asia ... and that is poor.

 

In this team Rahane 52.7  and Kohli 46.4  have been consistent performers outside Asia.

 

Pujara has survived because most other current batters, barring the 2 above, have been inconsistent too.

 

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2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Most batters fail in super challenging conditions. But, when our cricketers play test matches outside Asia, they get different kinds of conditions ... super challenging, reasonably challenging, decent, easy etc.

 

If career averages are low outside Asia ... it just points towards lack of consistency there. (  same for non-Asians playing in Asia )

 

Regarding career averages outside Asia, we have had 5 Indians averaging over 50, 8 averaging above 45,  10 batters above 40 and 17 batters above 35.

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=9;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=500;qualval1=runs;size=100;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

 

 

Puajara averages just  27.3 after all of 20 tests outside Asia ... and that is poor.

 

In this team Rahane 52.7  and Kohli 46.4  have been consistent performers outside Asia.

 

Pujara has survived because most other current batters, barring the 2 above, have been inconsistent too.

 

He also gets too much leeway for being Bradman in India, others like KL are dropped if they perform badly across two tests!

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4 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Not in this case, we can't win with 1 or 1.5 batters. Also Anders, Broad, Woakes combined are better than any combination of pacers we put up under swinging conditions.

I know , they are better so if given a flat pitch they will bowl us out for 300 or less and their batters will score 600+ giving us no chance . Small totals should give us a better chance .

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3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

That was horrible shot by Kohli, if India has to do well with bat they have to stop chasing these deliveries.

Kohli doesn't have the discipline to leave them, like a certain someone did at Sydney. He needs to be giving 110% even tactically if we are to win this series. Do something unexpected, don't show your arrogance just in the presser!

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Main thing in this match is getting match practice in challenging conditions.

 

Vijay 113 balls and Kohli 93 balls ... have got decent game time in the middle.

 

I hope we get to bat again on the 3rd day morning.

 

This is where a 4 day match would have been good.

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Kohli doesn't have the discipline to leave them, like a certain someone did at Sydney. He needs to be giving 110% even tactically if we are to win this series. Do something unexpected, don't show your arrogance just in the presser!


Who is the certain someone? Sehwag or SRT?

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Just now, express bowling said:

Main thing in this match is getting match practice in challenging conditions.

 

Vijay 113 balls and Kohli 93 balls ... have got decent game time in the middle.

 

I hope we get to get again on the 3rd day morning.

 

This is where a 4 day match would have been good.

Team management wanted only 2 day practise game, meaning Dhawan would have had one ball practise. Thankfully Essex authorities saved us because of their ticket sales.

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3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Main thing in this match is getting match practice in challenging conditions.

 

Vijay 113 balls and Kohli 93 balls ... have got decent game time in the middle.

 

I hope we get to get again on the 3rd day morning.

 

This is where a 4 day match would have been good.

I present you, the Koach's better half.

“My philosophy is very simple – (in) your country, I don’t ask questions. (In) my country, you don’t ask. I said (to groundsmen) leave it, and don’t take anything off,” Shastri said during a media conference on Wednesday.

“One thing, on this trip, you will never see this Indian team giving an excuse as regarding conditions or the pitch. Our challenge is to beat them. We take pride in performing wherever we go and we want to be the best travelling side in the world. The last person to complain will be this Indian team (sic), so I want to clarify this very clearly,” Shastri reiterated what has been a standard answer from the time he took over as head coach.

“There was good grass on that (pitch). The groundsmen asked if we wanted the grass to be taken off. I said ‘absolutely not’. (It is) your prerogative. You give (the wicket), we play, so when you come to my country you can never ask (about pitches).”

“The game was reduced from four days to three because of the logistics and the weather prevailing. We had an opportunity to practice three days in Birmingham, which is the Test match venue.

“If we had played four days here we would have lost that one day there because of travel. As simple as that because the prerogative whether to play a two-day, three-day or four-day game lies entirely with the travelling team,” Shastri explained.

“It was decided yesterday (during practice). We had a chat (with Essex authorities) and once they explained how they had sold tickets and everything. We were quite happy to play even a two-day game and use that one extra day for practice here. But they said tickets and all that, so we said okay, ‘we will play a three-day game’.”

“And travel on Saturday, to be able to practice on Sunday. The reason is to get to the Test match venue because it wouldn’t have served any purpose with an extra day here. An extra day there will give us more familiarity with the venue and the conditions where you are playing the first Test,” he signed off.

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Just now, R!TTER said:

Kohli doesn't have the discipline to leave them, like a certain someone did at Sydney. He needs to be giving 110% even tactically if we are to win this series. Do something unexpected, don't show your arrogance just in the presser!

Not just Kohli, this need of feeling every ball on bat is a disease which has affected Indian batting  for long time. You can always get out to good delivery but with this habit of chasing wide ones they give free gifts to the other team.

 

Don't bring that certain someone's Sydney innings.It was flat as pancake pitch and against a very mediocre bowling attack he could have done so much more.

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Just now, putrevus said:

Not just Kohli, this need of feeling every ball on bat is a disease which has affected Indian batting  for long time. You can always get out to good delivery but with this habit of chasing wide ones they give free gifts to the other team.

 

Don't bring that certain someone's Sydney innings.It was flat as pancake pitch and against a very mediocre bowling attack he could have done so much more.

The attack was hardly mediocre, granted that wasn't the best Aus had at that time. As for doing more, he could've but you could say the same about every cricketer ever.

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3 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

Pujara on a short rope, he may play the first test but he he has to score or he is out.

I see no reason why he should play, unless England roll a barren dryland with no bounce especially for him. DK can open if we'd prefer KL at 3, still a gaping hole in the middle order :no:

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12 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Kohli doesn't have the discipline to leave them, like a certain someone did at Sydney. He needs to be giving 110% even tactically if we are to win this series. Do something unexpected, don't show your arrogance just in the presser!

tbh its not the same anymore , you cannot expect batsmen to bring in that kind of discipline for few games in a years after having played 100 LOI games , the amount of T20s we playe these days it would have impacted even Tendulkar/Dravids game . The fix for it is , planning your tour better . if 10 years back we played 2 practice games , we should be playing 3-4 now . 

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1 minute ago, R!TTER said:

The attack was hardly mediocre, granted that wasn't the best Aus had at that time. As for doing more, he could've but you could say the same about every cricketer ever.

Macgill was giving hit me for four every over.Laxman was giving Brett pasting, other than Gillespie to some extent there was no one in that bowling attack.That is why I don't rate India's performance in that series high at all. Our great maharathis even conjured to lose a test to that team after Sehwag gave them blistering start in Melbourne.

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13 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

Team management wanted only 2 day practise game, meaning Dhawan would have had one ball practise. Thankfully Essex authorities saved us because of their ticket sales.

If it will be left to Kohli and Sharabi they would have happily ask everyone to practice  Don Bradmen Cricket 14 version in their rooms. While they were busy shipping Daru at the bar.

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5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

I see no reason why he should play, unless England roll a barren dryland with no bounce especially for him. DK can open if we'd prefer KL at 3, still a gaping hole in the middle order :no:

Dhawan and Pujara should not be playing first test.The problem is there is no one else to fill that no 3 spot.I wish they selected one of the youngsters.

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4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

India won the last test in SA. We need to play the same team here. Form in temporary, class is permanent.  If we select based on ODI/T20 format for tests, then Virastri is clueless about Test cricket

You're expecting a Joburg type wicket here? If not then we need at least one specialist spinner, ideally Kuldeep.

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If conditions are tough, the batsmen would struggle. I am more interested in seeing how our bowlers make use of these conditions 

 

Key points:

  • How effective can Kuldeep be on such surfaces 
  • Is Shami back to his best 
  • Among Ishant, Umesh and Shrudul, which ones are in top form 

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Just now, express bowling said:

Kohli, Rahul, Vijay getting runs.

 

Dhawan failing.

 

Rohit sitting / standing / sleeping in India.

 

So far so good  !   Rahane getting some game time would have been perfect.

 

 

Footwork and judgement is key here. Those who have can bat for long periods.

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1 minute ago, zen said:

If conditions are tough, the batsmen would struggle. I am more interested in seeing how our bowlers make use of these conditions 

 

Key points:

  • How effective can Kuldeep be on such surfaces 
  • Is Shami back to his best 
  • Among Ishant, Umesh and Shrudul, which ones are in top form 

Line and length is crucial to exploit the conditions.

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1 minute ago, zen said:

If conditions are tough, the batsmen would struggle. I am more interested in seeing how our bowlers make use of these conditions 

 

Key points:

  • How effective can Kuldeep be on such surfaces 
  • Is Shami back to his best 
  • Among Ishant, Umesh and Shrudul, which ones are in top form 

More effective than finger spinners, especially if the pitch is grassy.

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