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What will be role of Pandya in this test series?


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Posted the below on the other thread: 

 

  • A: Vijay + Dhawan + KL + Rahane + Karthik = 65 runs (average 13 runs per batsman; 23% of the Eng total) 
  • B: Pandya 22 (69% more than the average above of specialists)
  • C: A+B = 87 runs (30% of the Eng total) 
  • D: Kohli 149 (52% of Eng total)
  • E: Ashwin + Shami + Ishant + Yadav = 18 runs (average 4.5 runs per batsman) 
  • F: Extras = 20
  • G: Total = 274 (95% of Eng total) 
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People are under the illusion that anyone can come in and perform better than Pandya and change the course of the game but fail to see that the at least half of the 11 is not performing as per expectations. Adding more of the non performing types is not going to have a dramatic impact as laws of diminishing returns kick in :facepalm:

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18 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Because we have been seeing Jadeja for 9 years now. Does Jadeja have a test century even at home? It took Kohli 4 lives to score a century and Jadeja would have scored one. :cantstop:

This was his day but he was denied by someone who can definitely not bowl.

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4 minutes ago, zen said:

People are under the illusion that anyone can come in and perform better than Pandya and change the course of the game but fail to see that the at least half of the 11 is not performing as per expectations. Adding more of the non performing types is not going to have a dramatic impact as laws of diminishing returns kick in :facepalm:

There is no false illusion here. With lot of certainity one can say Pandya will take a massivie crap in the bowling department tomorrow.

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41 minutes ago, Khota said:

There is no false illusion here. With lot of certainity one can say Pandya will take a massivie crap in the bowling department tomorrow.

There are four specialist bowlers chosen to do the job. If Pandya has to bowl more than 10 overs, Ind would be in trouble already, highlighting that our selection of the 4 specialists was not optimal. And you can’t add more such bowlers to the line up at the expense of the AR

 

Therefore, stop worrying about how Pandya does. Keep an eye on Dhawan, Vijay, Karthik (who scored a duck and dropped catches), Rahane, Ishant, Yadav, etc :winky:

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Just now, rkt.india said:

Because we have been seeing Jadeja for 9 years now. Does Jadeja have a test century even at home? It took Kohli 4 lives to score a century and Jadeja would have scored one. :cantstop:

Jadeja made his test debut 5 and 1/2 yrs back, you're telling me you've seen him bat for 9 years? He also has had more impactful innings in the last 3 years than Ashwin, 8 fifties and at least 4 or 5 helped India win a crucial game or the series.

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About times,India move on from this Seamer all-rounder appetite.Neither his batting nor bowling is upto mark which is needed to play in whites.

 

Team management is expecting too much from Pandya..A player can't provide what he hasn't in his armory.Same game,look at what opposition have-Ben Stokes..He can play either at specialist bowler/batsman.

 

Pandya will come good in 1 out 4 match but this isn't the solution. Play pure bowler over him and get rid of deadweights like Dhawan to strengthen the batting.

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He is one lucky guy to have tagged under all-rounder and gets continuous opportunities without any pressure of getting dropped. But it's very hard to dislike him and his fierce attitude and also he has some very good friends in KL Rahul. Let's just give him the full series and decide it later on if he really belongs in Test cricket or just one of those limited players. If he is the reason Jadeja is not playing, then I am all for it. 

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Unless conditions favor spin, I m not a big fan of playing left arm spinners in overseas tests esp having watched likes of Shastri, Maninder, Raju, Joshi, etc, bowl for Ind in test to boredom .... Overseas, you need unique spinners like Ash, if in good form, mystery spinners like Kuldeep, etc (Spinners who can take the pitch out of equation to a certain extent) 

 

If a young fast bowler was picked in the squad instead of Jadeja, it would probably have worked better by providing more options for 2nd or 3rd seamer in place of either Yadav or Ishant. Shrudul too does not appear to be an ideal option .... And this where Ind’s problems primarily lie in bowling with Bhuvi and Bumrah not available  ... Batting issues have been discussed

 

At the moment, the discussion on replacing Pandya to either strengthen batting or bowling is unwarranted as it would only bring in a relatively mediocre 5th bowler or 6/7th batsman in to play (as we would have ideally been smart enough to make the right picks for the 5+4 slots), triggering law of diminishing returns and missing out on the flexibility that the AR provides 

 

For the next test, if Yadav and Ishant don’t show improvement and with conditions permitting,  I would be tempted to go with a) Shami, b) Bumrah (if fit) or one from Yadav and Ishant, c) Ash (can bowl with new ball too), and d) Kuldeep, mystery element .... the 4 specialist bowlers would be supported by Pandya, who would also look to support the specialialist batsmen 

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Happy with management playing Pandya, I can see where are coming from. 

People think pace all-rounder automatically assumes Jacques Kallis :lol: 

 

Pandya provides that extra cushion:

- in bowling to take load off especially when India’s best pace bowler Shami can only bowl spells of 5-6 overs, Shami is no Anderson or Rabada who can bowl 10 over spells

- with the bat gives you average 30 odd runs and at a good SR which is what’s required at No.7 when batting with the tail, you don’t want a no.7 who can average 40 plus but has SR of 50 because batting with tail you want get to face many balls

 

Even historically, India’s regular batsman at no.7 averaged 30, Pandya already averaging 35, Dhoni averaged 30 at no.7.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, VT87 said:

If you questioned his bowling performance,he is not you main bowler.if you pointed out his batting performance ,he is not your main batsman. So how can we judged him

Simple - give him time, after the Aus series - more time for NZ, so on and so forth :cheer:

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7 hours ago, zen said:

There are four specialist bowlers chosen to do the job. If Pandya has to bowl more than 10 overs, Ind would be in trouble already, highlighting that our selection of the 4 specialists was not optimal. And you can’t add more such bowlers to the line up at the expense of the AR

 

Therefore, stop worrying about how Pandya does. Keep an eye on Dhawan, Vijay, Karthik (who scored a duck and dropped catches), Rahane, Ishant, Yadav, etc :winky:

I prefer  to keep eye on all eleven. Why should your boy Pandya get a pass here?

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1 hour ago, Khota said:

I prefer  to keep eye on all eleven. Why should your boy Pandya get a pass here?

Because Pandya’s performances are not an issue relatively speaking as has been discussed. It is like asking who Ram is after Ramayana is told 

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6 hours ago, VT87 said:

If you questioned his bowling performance,he is not you main bowler.if you pointed out his batting performance ,he is not your main batsman. So how can we judged him? 

key contributions - solid knock (22  here for e.g.  in tough conditions), a decent 10 over spell to help keep specialist bowlers fresh, add some good fielding, a never say die attitude .... offering balance and flexibility to the 11,  ....  :dontknow:

 

I hope that people are not complaining because he is not averaging 40 or more with the bat and picking wkts at a SR of 60 or less

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