Just get a specialist batsman for next test

[Trichromatic]

Clearly batting is weak and it needs cushion of extra batsman.

 

Although all reserves aren't good, but guess it's time that India play 6 specialist batsmen with keeper at no 7.

 

Bowlers are in much better for in last 4 years and have shown ability even in absence of top 2 bowlers.

 

[GautiMaan]

Nope 4 bowler theory has never worked for us overseas in the past.These guys need frequent breathers to bowl with intensity.

Extra cushion batsman is also usually useless.Atleast Pandya will get 15-20 runs lower down the order.

[Vilander]

the question then is - Is pandya better than a specialist batsman waiting.

 

And then when Bhuvi comes back would be able to do a 70% of pandya in batting so you dont loose much anyway.

 

Who all make way - Ishant for bumrah - thats down to skill and form.

 

Umesh for Bhuvi - clearly.

 

So Bhuv,Shami, Ishant/Bumrah , Ashwin, + batsman instead of pandya. But the batsman needs to score more than Pandya..so who is it ? 

[Lannister]

Don't see that extra batsman making any significant change to the team's performance. We need to stick with 5 bowlers theory. 

[Vilander]

The thing is Pandya can not be pressure free like say an Ashwin or Bhuv - even Ashwin is pressured this match..they need to be expected to score every game. A batsman just means their only game is batting so they are expected to score..pandya should have same pressure he needs to score runs every game..not withstanding what he does with the ball and vice versa, then only he is good enough - stokes does this in England.

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, Vilander said:

the question then is - Is pandya better than a specialist batsman waiting.

 

And then when Bhuvi comes back would be able to do a 70% of pandya in batting so you dont loose much anyway.

 

Who all make way - Ishant for bumrah - thats down to skill and form.

 

Umesh for Bhuvi - clearly.

 

So Bhuv,Shami, Ishant/Bumrah , Ashwin, + batsman instead of pandya. But the batsman needs to score more than Pandya..so who is it ? 

Bhuvi is not coming for this series at least.  Bumrah will replace Umesh next game

Edited August 4, 2018 by rkt.india

[Straight Drive]

At Lords we will do better than at Edgbaston. Its much more suited for Asian teams. 

[The Dark Horse]

Bhajji is a spectator not a commentator lol

[Trichromatic]

While failures of top order may give an impression that extra batsmen won't do much when top is not doing anything but thing is that extra batsman might just bat in the better condition, or you just increase chances of scoring more.

[express bowling]

Long 5 test match series

 

Bhuvi and Bumrah injured

 

Can't afford another fast bowler to break down by playing 4 bowlers and overbowling them.

[sensible-indian]

3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

While failures of top order may give an impression that extra batsmen won't do much when top is not doing anything but thing is that extra batsman might just bat in the better condition, or you just increase chances of scoring more.

U will concede more runs too if pitch is easy to bat. 

[Moochad]

options are nair, pujara, and pant

 

2 noobs in english conditions and pujara

[Trichromatic]

6 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

U will concede more runs too if pitch is easy to bat. 

If pitch is easy to bat...

 

We are bowling opposition out easily overseas now.

[sensible-indian]

3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

If pitch is easy to bat...

 

We are bowling opposition out easily overseas now.

We havent bowled in such pitches post 2015 yet. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Pandya showed far more application then any batsman apart from kohli n ppl still picking him 

U want a specialist batsman

Pujara has been **** overseas n lets not forget county

Nair- u really have high hopes from him 

Edited August 4, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Vilander]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Bhuvi is not coming for this series at least.  Bumrah will replace Umesh next game

I think that's all that is needed. End will simply not score enough once he is back.  But Rahane needs to support Kohli.

[Pollack]

Tbh this match proves nothing. Neither you can say Indian bowling is strong nor batting is weak. Infact their bowlers did a lot better than ours. Batsman weren't good from either sides.

[R!TTER]

3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

If pitch is easy to bat...

 

We are bowling opposition out easily overseas now.

When did we do that? At Centurion, the easiest pitch in SA series, Pujara ran himself out so did stupid Pandya. Our bowlers looked toothless, except Ashwin, and everyone dropped catches like they've been doing since 2015. If it's a flat but dry surface IMO Jadeja should come in for Pandya, we still need 3 quicks unless it's really dry, in which case Pandya can do the part time pacer job with 2 spinners holding an end up.

[zen]

Important rule: you don’t reduce your weaknesses by adding more of it. It would be like a struggling family adding more malnourished and under educated children to mix so that they get better off

 

Extra batsman can be played if our batting is strong and the bowling is ok.  We have a gifted batsman in the reserve so we further strengthen our strength to leverage on it (and cover up for the relatively weak bowling department by putting up a big score). In the current scenario, if the one that is being considered as the extra batsman is better than anyone in 5 batting slots, he should just take 1 of the 5 batting slots so we pick the 5  best batsmen in the 11

Edited August 4, 2018 by zen

[rkt.india]

16 hours ago, Pollack said:

Tbh this match proves nothing. Neither you can say Indian bowling is strong nor batting is weak. Infact their bowlers did a lot better than ours. Batsman weren't good from either sides.

So, England have two of their ATG fast bowlers playing, so, obviously their bowling is stronger.  We had two of our lead bowlers missing in BK and Bumrah. At least in these conditions, BK is as good as Anderson.  Ishant made up for it somewhat in 2nd innings.