Time to blood in Prithvi Shaw

[rkt.india]

46 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Its amusing the length you would go to bash Rohit yet defend Rahul in test cricket.  Why this love for Prithiv who isnt even in squad, given up on Pant ? also sam curran is playing at home, while not 20 but both kuldeep and hardik were 21-22 when they made their test debut.

where did I bash Rohit? Rahul has 3 of his 4 test 100s overseas. How many Rohit has overseas? Also, Rohit himself has given up on test cricket. Pant is a wicketkeeper, who is already in the squad while Shaw is an opener and Shaw talk is going on because our openers are failing and he is an openers who just scored runs in England with India A.

[tweaker]

100 for Shaw against SA A

[jf1gp_1]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

where did I bash Rohit? Rahul has 3 of his 4 test 100s overseas. How many Rohit has overseas? Also, Rohit himself has given up on test cricket. Pant is a wicketkeeper, who is already in the squad while Shaw is an opener and Shaw talk is going on because our openers are failing and he is an openers who just scored runs in England with India A.

 My point was slightly different. There is a set of people who always find someone or the other to bash using any kind of logic. Till last week Kohli/Shastri were hammered for not backing Rahul, 6 months back it was Pujara. Now that we have lost first test new muse is Prithvi. How long before we see threads like Prithvi savior of Indian cricket is on bench because Kohli is jealous that he will surpass kohli as batsman. 

[prudent_kreeda]

5 hours ago, vayuu1 said:

The other guy I would like to be groomed and fast track is abhishek sharma and he could be the spinning all-rounder we are looking for, he looked comfortable against pace  can hit the ball long, Plus looks to have a  solid technique, a brilliant fielder and good spinner as well. 

   May be t20 as of now. Bowling is not there yet. W Sundar would be 1st choice i think even in T20

[rkt.india]

5 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

 My point was slightly different. There is a set of people who always find someone or the other to bash using any kind of logic. Till last week Kohli/Shastri were hammered for not backing Rahul, 6 months back it was Pujara. Now that we have lost first test new muse is Prithvi. How long before we see threads like Prithvi savior of Indian cricket is on bench because Kohli is jealous that he will surpass kohli as batsman. 

forums have every kind of thread or discussions.  Sometimes,  they are valid, sometimes not.  Conspiracies will always be there.   Kohli and Shastri not backing Rahul was certainly wrong.  Same with playing Rohit and Raina ahead of Pujara in tests. Yes, both may fail but that does not mean the asking for Rahul or Pujara's selection was wrong.  Important thing is to take right decision, identifying right personnel, and make right selections that is in the hand of captain and coach, result is not. The may fail as well. 

 

There is no guarantee of success but selections should be based on who have the most chances of succeeding in overseas tests. Players get criticized when they fail and praised when they do well.  It is a cycle that is going on since eternal.   There is a reason teams have highly qualified scouts to identify right players, scouts who understand cricket and its requirements at top level.  John Wright was MI scout when he scouted 19 year old Bumrah playing in SMA trophy.

[asterix]

Every team gives atleast one talented young player chance to play Test matches... you never know who can click.

Sachin got his chance at 16 years...

I’m not saying others are as talented as Sachin.. but how can the Captain & team management continue like this with same washed up players year after year?

It was heartening to see a 20 year old Sam Curran kick the collective soggy arses of the rockstar washed up players..,

I don’t have any expectations from the Captain and his cheerleader... hope atleast England keeps giving chances to such fine young players like Sam...

For Indian under 19 talented cricketers the usual wait time is atleast 4-5 years...what a shame...

This WAGs club influencing team selection is making me

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, asterix said:

Every team gives atleast one talented young player chance to play Test matches... you never know who can click.

Sachin got his chance at 16 years...

I’m not saying others are as talented as Sachin.. but how can the Captain & team management continue like this with same washed up players year after year?

It was heartening to see a 20 year old Sam Curran kick the collective soggy arses of the rockstar washed up players..,

I don’t have any expectations from the Captain and his cheerleader... hope atleast England keeps giving chances to such fine young players like Sam...

For Indian under 19 talented cricketers the usual wait time is atleast 4-5 years...what a shame...

This WAGs club influencing team selection is making me

you will be surprised to know that we have just one fast bowled debuting for us in test cricket since Pankaj Singh on England tour in 2014 against Aus and that is Bumrah.  So just one new fast bowler debuted in 4 years.

[prudent_kreeda]

Think he needs to look at 2 things to be even more ready :- 

1. His play to balls on off and outside - 

  >    As he prefers a little backing away to leg side to enable him to drive through offside , gets beaten quite ofen when ball moves away on good length from offstump.

 > Also big indippers will trouble him due to this stance .

 > throws his hands at out side off deliveries . (Mind you.. can score a lot with that shot a la Veeru if ball is not doing much as he seems to  have good hand -eye co-ord ..)

2. He will be targetted with pacy short stuff to his rib cage . This will be the case in Aus , SA for sure  with a legside  trap. 

    How he copes with that will be interesting to watch .

   I think he must be working already on that . Being not so good a hooker , he needs to have an attacking option developed to counter this. He won't succeed if he does only defence against such bowling.  

    -  move a bit towards leg and hit over point, cover point -  Sewhag was so good at it .

    -  Play the Ramp if ball has height.

     -  Develop pull shot front of square .

     - Play it down to leg to take a single. 

     Based on the line of the ball and height at which he is meeting them , he can choose to execute any of these options .

     If leg side is packed , hit it on off . 

     If offside is blocked , use pull or play down to leg side . 

     he already is hitting any shortish balls around  outside off stump over offiside field .   

   Just practice hard for 2nd issue another 6 months and be ready with an attacking option . If he can fetch a four every over vs such attack ,bowlers will then have to really think. 

  First set of issues more of descipline and shot selection which he can overcome once into test mode. 

   

 

 

 

 

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i am very interested how he prepares in another 6 months to face shortish stuff aimed at his rib cage . 

If he specificayy

[Suhaan]

52 minutes ago, asterix said:

Every team gives atleast one talented young player chance to play Test matches... you never know who can click.

Sachin got his chance at 16 years...

I’m not saying others are as talented as Sachin.. but how can the Captain & team management continue like this with same washed up players year after year?

It was heartening to see a 20 year old Sam Curran kick the collective soggy arses of the rockstar washed up players..,

I don’t have any expectations from the Captain and his cheerleader... hope atleast England keeps giving chances to such fine young players like Sam...

For Indian under 19 talented cricketers the usual wait time is atleast 4-5 years...what a shame...

This WAGs club influencing team selection is making me

The grudge just deepens, meanwhile in Sl Hendericks scores a century on his debut..not so young though but still a player for them will be ready by then(2019wc).They have already blooded in Markram in tests,a gem of a batsman

[Switchblade]

25 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

The grudge just deepens, meanwhile in Sl Hendericks scores a century on his debut..not so young though but still a player for them will be ready by then(2019wc).They have already blooded in Markram in tests,a gem of a batsman

We have a conservative approach and want to play it safe.

[asterix]

We have a conservative approach and want to play it safe.

GHANTA... we’ve a Mafia out there... Playing Test match raises your value in IPL etc (strangely) and BCCI will be bound to have you in contract. There’s number of regional lobby’s, past player/commentator lobbies and last but not least, player management agencies...

As a young player you’ve to first now signup to a player management agency to atleast have some chance...

On top of it you’ve the team captain / Coach & WAGs favouritism...

[Switchblade]

3 minutes ago, asterix said:

GHANTA... we’ve a Mafia out there... Playing Test match raises your value in IPL etc (strangely) and BCCI will be bound to have you in contract. There’s number of regional lobby’s, past player/commentator lobbies and last but not least, player management agencies...

As a young player you’ve to first now signup to a player management agency to atleast have some chance...

On top of it you’ve the team captain / Coach & WAGs favouritism...

Dada how are we not conservative in our approach please tell me that,kitne young players try kie hai not saying Iyer has to be permanent in the side kitne ODI khele hai usne ya Pant was a pure traveller in Windies in 2017.We had Jhadav,Yuvraj,Raina or a washed up has been Dhoni in the side.To be honest if Saha was not injured Pant won’t have been selected here as a backup keeper.

In South Africa we called Parthiv and Dk what does it tells you?The regime is afraid to try out youngsters in the side they in the name of experience go back to tried and tested failures.On current form you really think openers deserve to play in our first eleven?Why not put them under pressure with some one as backup waiting for his chance so that they can be on their toes and perform at least 80% of the times.

[raki05]

8 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

At what age did Kohli play his 1st ODI?

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And tendulkar 

[vvvslaxman]

More obvious than ever  I have done my own lab testing

 

[Austin 3:!6]

I have said it even before Eng tour team selection that Shaw should be in the team. Yes there are good chances that even he will fail against bowling of this quality but its good to fail with potential youngsters rather than players like Dhawan/Vijay. I would have loved to see Shaw & Rahul opening the innings.

 

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[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Austin 3:!6 said:

I have said if even before Eng tour team selection that Shaw should be in the team. Yes there are good chances that even he will fail against bowling of this quality but its good to fail with potential youngsters rather than players like Dhawan/Vijay. I would have loved to see Shaw & Rahul opening the innings.

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From what i have seen Shaw is fiesty. Very confident player. If i can draw a parallel bit like how sam curren when he batted. He trusts his abilities. He is in the middle of a good run as well. Wasting such a potential is criminal. When you have batsmen  who do not grow beyond certain mediocre level kick them out. At 35 no point in waiting for them to play a match winning innings.

[Austin 3:!6]

From what i have seen Shaw is fiesty. Very confident player. If i can draw a parallel bit like how sam curren when he batted. He trusts his abilities. He is in the middle of a good run as well. Wasting such a potential is criminal. When you have batsmen  who do not grow beyond certain mediocre level kick them out. At 35 no point in waiting for them to play a match winning innings.

Very true...but knowing our selectors they would never select an youngster like Shaw or players like Gill for that matter in ODIs.

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[Straight Drive]

Could Prithvi have scored less than 9 runs like Rahul did in SA. Doubt it . Surely he would have done better than that. He would have also averages better than Shikhar, Ajinkya and Vijay who all averaged under 21. These patta  players need a kick, otherwise the places are taken for granted.

Edited August 5, 2018 by Straight Drive

[asterix]

Could Prithvi have scored less than 9 runs like Rahul did in SA. Doubt it . Surely he would have done better than that. He would have also averages better than Shikhar, Ajinkya and Vijay who all averaged under 21. These patta  players need a kick, otherwise the places are taken for granted.

Ofcourse he’d have scored more that KLR... these bearded “rishi, Muni” type players are only focussed on their beard and style...

 

[Straight Drive]

21 minutes ago, asterix said:

Ofcourse he’d have scored more that KLR... these bearded “rishi, Muni” type players are only focussed on their beard and style...

 

Well I won't comment about his preference for beard etc. But seriously 9 runs average for specialist batsman. The worst I can recall was Yuvi with 4 runs versus Aussies. Some would say if there was hindsight that Rahul would average 9 runs and Ajinkya, Shikhar, Vijay below 21 then one would have opted Prithvi. It's the same story again on non-patta wicket. Do we not back Prithvi to score more runs than these 4 jokers even on non-patta wicket.

 

Moreover he is in form and has experience of playing in England. So at least he is used to conditions unlike being a total novice over here.

Edited August 5, 2018 by Straight Drive