Khota Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Michael Holding recommends that team needs a proper batsman at that position. Pandya is just not that good. Here is the complete article. http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/india-vs-england-cheteshwar-pujara-too-good-a-player-to-be-dropped-michael-holding-732630 He is definitely overrated. velu and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
CG Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Michael Holding recommends that team needs a proper batsman at that position. Pandya is just not that good. Here is the complete article. http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/india-vs-england-cheteshwar-pujara-too-good-a-player-to-be-dropped-michael-holding-732630 He is definitely overrated. Our proper batsman are worse.At no 7 better off playing all-rounder. express bowling, Mosher, diehardpacer and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Just now, CG said: Just now, Khota said: Michael Holding recommends that team needs a proper batsman at that position. Pandya is just not that good. Here is the complete article. http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/india-vs-england-cheteshwar-pujara-too-good-a-player-to-be-dropped-michael-holding-732630 He is definitely overrated. Our proper batsman are worse.At no 7 better off playing all-rounder. He isn't an A/R if he's not picking up wickets, and if he's not picking up wickets in Eng or SA, imagine what he'll do in Aus. Switchblade and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
CG Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 He isn't an A/R if he's not picking up wickets, and if he's not picking up wickets in Eng or SA, imagine what he'll do in Aus.He picked up Imp wickets in sa.He will do well when the ball swings. Ankit_sharma03 and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Just now, CG said: Just now, R!TTER said: He isn't an A/R if he's not picking up wickets, and if he's not picking up wickets in Eng or SA, imagine what he'll do in Aus. He picked up Imp wickets in sa.He will do well when the ball swings. Only 1 innings IIRC, had the worst avg of all seamers by the end of it. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Malum hai......who claimed he is next kapil dev What is urge to find next kapil n sachin........such players comes once in a while 3 minutes ago, R!TTER said: He isn't an A/R if he's not picking up wickets, and if he's not picking up wickets in Eng or SA, imagine what he'll do in Aus. Did he even bowl much His role is suppose to be fill those 15 overs so bowlers can have rest. Something we didnt have in 2013 Sa n Nz tour which resulted in Zak breaking down, shami loosing his pace, n ishant kept getting worse UrmiSinhaRay, express bowling, adi B and 3 others 2 1 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Hardly gets to bowl in tests. How will he pick that many wickets. Mosher, RAZPOR, Ankit_sharma03 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 (edited) Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: Malum hai......who claimed he is next kapil dev What is urge to find next kapil n sachin........such players comes once in a while Did he even bowl much His role is suppose to be fill those 15 overs so bowlers can have rest. Something we didnt have in 2013 Sa n Nz tour which resulted in Zak breaking down, shami loosing his pace, n ishant kept getting worse So the argument goes round and round, like forever and always. He's a batting allrounder -> don't expect him to pick wickets -> he didn't bowl much so can't blame him -> he's just a relief bowler -> hence A/R The fact is we need 5 wicket taking options away from home, ideally 2 or 3 of them should be able to hold their own with the bat. If Lords is a flat track, pretty sure we'll need more than 3.5 bowlers but then most will still defend the A/R tag. Edited August 5, 2018 by R!TTER Khota, UrmiSinhaRay and saik 1 2 Link to comment
Khota Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, CG said: 23 minutes ago, Khota said: Michael Holding recommends that team needs a proper batsman at that position. Pandya is just not that good. Here is the complete article. http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/india-vs-england-cheteshwar-pujara-too-good-a-player-to-be-dropped-michael-holding-732630 He is definitely overrated. Our proper batsman are worse.At no 7 better off playing all-rounder. He can hit some but I am not sure he can take any wickets. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, R!TTER said: So the argument goes round and round, like forever and always. He's a batting allrounder -> don't expect him to pick wickets -> he didn't bowl much so can't blame him -> he's just a relief bowler -> hence A/R The fact is we need 5 wicket taking options away from home, ideally 2 or of them should be able to hold their own with the bat. People will come up with any excuse to justify his slot. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, express bowling said: Hardly gets to bowl in tests. How will he pick that many wickets. He hardly gets to bowl because he looks the least threatening. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, R!TTER said: So the argument goes round and round, like forever and always. He's a batting allrounder -> don't expect him to pick wickets -> he didn't bowl much so can't blame him -> he's just a relief bowler -> hence A/R The fact is we need 5 wicket taking options away from home, ideally 2 or 3 of them should be able to hold their own with the bat. If Lords is a flat track, pretty sure we'll need more than 3.5 bowlers but then most will still defend the A/R tag. DO i have explain again On 8/4/2018 at 1:37 AM, Ankit_sharma03 said: simple - no rocket science In 2015 Sl tor virat said they played binny coz they need 10-15 overs from someone so they can rest their fast bowlers...n when they found he was an upgrade to binny We dnt have the luxury of sachin, sehwag, ganguly now to bowl a few overs n give rest to main bowlers So pandya comes in handy Then u also need some cushion in batting , so the need is both n he comes in N what bad has he done...scored a 90+ in Sa where everyone was struggling...scored 100 in SL, applied here in 1st innings. Gave cruicial breakthroughs in Sa in one test ..... The reason our team is struggling is not performing is becoz of specialist not performing , not becoz of pandya . Lets not forget we won in 2015 SL tour with bits n pieces binny 2014 lords with binny n he helped drew us the 1st test in eng Pandya avg 35 in test with bat , more imp he made a very 90+ in Sa...... Their is no confusion regd his role to us or team mnmgt Someone who can cushion our batting a bit also give overs so give our main bowlers a a rest overseas Link to comment
Khota Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Malum hai......who claimed he is next kapil dev What is urge to find next kapil n sachin........such players comes once in a while Did he even bowl much His role is suppose to be fill those 15 overs so bowlers can have rest. Something we didnt have in 2013 Sa n Nz tour which resulted in Zak breaking down, shami loosing his pace, n ishant kept getting worse Now we are redefining the role of an all rounder. Let me understand it is OK with you if he takes no wickets? UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: DO i have explain again Their is no confusion regd his role to us or team mnmgt Someone who can cushion our batting a bit also give overs so give our main bowlers a a rest overseas You need to wake up and smell the coffee, his 20 or 30 per innings is simply not good enough. We can easily slot in Jadeja or Kuldeep for him, even they have potential with the bat - Jadeja has a proven track record. They can definitely do no worse than him with the ball, and we need wickets especially lower order. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Khota said: Now we are redefining the role of an all rounder. Let me understand it is OK with you if he takes no wickets? Absolutely his job is rest our pace bowlers, I dnt want them to break down like they did in 2013-14 overseas due to lack of support bowler i knew he ll take wkts if he ll bowl more , so i hve no doubts about him The problem isnt 20 wkts for this team as of now , the problem is making runs HE took wkts of elgar, Makram , Faf.....n these arent lower order batsman so dnt tell me he cnt take wkts Edited August 5, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Cricketers like Holding hype players like Hardik Pandya. Who is comparing him with Kapil ? Why would someone with 10 test be compared with someone who played 12x tests more than him. It is obvious to look for all rounder. If he does good it will help us to balance the team. If he flops then we can always replace him with specialist batsman or specialist bowler. philcric, express bowling and Ankit_sharma03 3 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: Absolutely his job is rest our pace bowlers, I dnt want them to break down like they did in 2013-14 overseas due to lack of support bowler i knew he ll take wkts if he ll bowl more , so i hve no doubts about him The problem isnt 20 wkts for this team as of now , the problem is making runs Ben Stokes (4th innings match winning spell) and Sam Curran (3rd innings slogging tailender) say hi. Vilander 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, R!TTER said: You need to wake up and smell the coffee, his 20 or 30 per innings is simply not good enough. We can easily slot in Jadeja or Kuldeep for him, even they have potential with the bat - Jadeja has a proven track record. They can definitely do no worse than him with the ball, and we need wickets especially lower order. Kuldeep n jadeja cant even score that Jadeja is the worst batsman in these condition .......... U need batting not bowling so u need to wakeup n check the scoreboard n check the match....coz he showed more application then any batsman these 20-30.....1st get the batsman who cud even score these many Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, R!TTER said: Ben Stokes (4th innings match winning spell) and Sam Curran (3rd innings slogging tailender) say hi. Pandya 90+ in SA says hi Every players plays a diff role for his team, we sll surely like pandya to reach stokes level but it ll take time......stokes himself has struggled in earlier days. Remeber last time when he India came his score were 0,0,0 .....surely pandya isnt doing worse express bowling, raki05 and Vilander 2 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Khota said: He hardly gets to bowl because he looks the least threatening. His role as a bowler is to rest the main bowlers and keep them fresh. And we are reaping benefits of that. Our main bowlers are fresh and picking 20 wickets in every away test we have played in the last 2 years. Edited August 5, 2018 by express bowling Mosher, nevada and chewy 1 2 Link to comment
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