Global.Baba Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: i hve specifically written the need We played specialist till we had fab four five coz among them they use to take 10-15 overs out easily . Now we dnt have the luxury. That is bs. if Pandya is taking up the slot of No.6,the question must be asked is he the best No.6 batsman in India? If not the next question is who are the Top batsmen in India who can fill the slot. If Pandya is atleast the Top 20 batsmen in India ready for an India cap,sure his bowling ability gets him in but is he though? Are you telling me none of the 20 batsmen in Indian domestics who are toiling hard to break into the side can get a few overs in? The arguments I heard since yesterday, he is a specialist No.7 bat,I mean how ridiculous that sound. Then I was told he was an apprentice No.6 whatever that means, then the argument that he is an xfactor again an intangible argument.It just keeps piling up. Coming to his bowling,if the question is raised that his bowling is useless,the argument seems to become he is a support bowler. Isn't the support bowler supposed to keep the runs down? Then when his high economy rate is brought up,he comes an attacking bowler. We keep going in circles to prove the utility of Pandya. As the OP mentioned,he has no technique whatsoever for test cricket as a batsman and his bowling is toothless. I will say it again worth his weight in gold in LOI's given how pathetic our middle-lower middle order is. The closest we have to an allrounder in this side is Ashwin and to some extent Bhuvaneshwar kumar. case can be made for Jadeja as well. Switchblade and swastikpanda2 2 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, express bowling said: . If he is the problem then what should we do with our other specialist batsmen ? Acc to many here Play one more specialist batsman.................naam ka batsman chahiye kaam ka nhin or Play one more specialist bowler.....coz who knws ICC might make a special rule for India that we ll have to take more then 20 wkts express bowling 1 Link to comment
The Outsider Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 This thread isn’t about how other batsmen are performing. If they’re not doing well, drop them and find replacements. If Pandya is a better batsman than them, make him bat in top 5/6. This is is about the abomination of a useless cricketer playing tests after tests because he is a LOI lappebaaz, at number 7/8 and not bowling. When he bowls he gets hammered. Switchblade 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, putrevus said: But you have to understand Pandya still is bits and pieces player who should not be playing test cricket. As i have written m not somebody who gets in tittle , i knw this team needs him Find me a better option ill be the 1st one to say dump him.......... Infact i hve written many times carry him n shankar overseas n use acc to condition For me team needs is important- ye sab tittle - bits n pieces, all rounder, batting alll rounder doesnt work once u enter in ground ...ur perfomance matter and currently he is doing better then many Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Acc to many here Play one more specialist batsman.................naam ka batsman chahiye kaam ka nhin or Play one more specialist bowler.....coz who knws ICC might make a special rule for India that we ll have to take more then 20 wkts The argument that that Pandya is scoring a few runs more than specialist batsmen is built on a wrong premise. If Ishant Sahrma ends up scoring more runs than Rahane in this series but fails as a bowler doesn't mean that he should replace Rahane as a batsman or Ishant's place should not be questioned. Forever Indian and Switchblade 1 1 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: i hve specifically written the need We played specialist till we had fab four five coz among them they use to take 10-15 overs out easily . Now we dnt have the luxury. I also agree and in fact mentioned in my previous post that preferred tactic would be to have atleast one all-rounder. But then his batting average and bowling average and bowling SR should be evaluated, whoever he is. It should not be a non measurable performance criteria. Like there is no use of wicketkeeper batsman if he is going to drop 3 catches per innings and then score 30 runs on average. Similarly no use of all rounder who scores runs in test matches with a bad contribution in bowling. Otherwise there is no difference between specialist and AR. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: That is bs. if Pandya is taking up the slot of No.6,the question must be asked is he the best No.6 batsman in India? If not the next question is who are the Top batsmen in India who can fill the slot. Coz u need some bowling Do we hve a batsman capable of giving us 10-15 overs even if he doesnt take wkts....lets say like ganguly Let me knw when u find one 5 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: If Pandya is atleast the Top 20 batsmen in India ready for an India cap,sure his bowling ability gets him in but is he though? Are you telling me none of the 20 batsmen in Indian domestics who are toiling hard to break into the side can get a few overs in? In last 5 test he has been better then ur top batters of the country 5 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: The arguments I heard since yesterday, he is a specialist No.7 bat,I mean how ridiculous that sound. Then I was told he was an apprentice No.6 whatever that means, then the argument that he is an xfactor again an intangible argument.It just keeps piling up. U hear n quote what ever u want to 5 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Coming to his bowling,if the question is raised that his bowling is useless,the argument seems to become he is a support bowler. Isn't the support bowler supposed to keep the runs down? Then when his high economy rate is brought up,he comes an attacking bowler. He is suppourt bowler , thats how team is looking at who asked to decide for kohli how he wants to use him 5 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: We keep going in circles to prove the utility of Pandya. As the OP mentioned,he has no technique whatsoever for test cricket as a batsman and his bowling is toothless. I will say it again worth his weight in gold in LOI's given how pathetic our middle-lower middle order is. The closest we have to an allrounder in this side is Ashwin and to some extent Bhuvaneshwar kumar. case can be made for Jadeja as well. So lets agree to disagree Jadeja is one the shiitiest batsman in these conditon............dnt even think about making his case Well pandya did better with bat then ashwin in SA n Eng till now Bhuvi - he is more of a bowler who can bat even he is no all rounder Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Totally Agree with the OP (Welcome back, Outy!) Pandya is a waste for tests, neither here not there, Dh obi ka gadha! Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: As i have written m not somebody who gets in tittle , i knw this team needs him Find me a better option ill be the 1st one to say dump him.......... Infact i hve written many times carry him n shankar overseas n use acc to condition For me team needs is important- ye sab tittle - bits n pieces, all rounder, batting alll rounder doesnt work once u enter in ground ...ur perfomance matter and currently he is doing better then many Simple, list me the next 20-30 specialist batsmen/bowlers who are ready to break in the squad. Pretty sure atleast some of the batsmen can roll their arm over or some bowlers who can contribute some uselful runs. Not that difficult is it? Link to comment
The Outsider Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 Show me one proper cricket team in the history of Test cricket (please exclude the Ronnie Irani and Larsen types, because they were not proper Test teams), which batted someone at number 7/8 because he could give their other bowlers a hammock to rest upon. SK_IH 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Straight Drive said: I also agree and in fact mentioned in my previous post that preferred tactic would be to have atleast one all-rounder. But then his batting average and bowling average and bowling SR should be evaluated, whoever he is. It should not be a non measurable performance criteria. Like there is no use of wicketkeeper batsman if he is going to drop 3 catches per innings and then score 30 runs on average. Similarly no use of all rounder who scores runs in test matches with a bad contribution in bowling. Otherwise there is no difference between specialist and AR. Drop catches is minus....pandya is no minus with the ball.... when we were not getting wkts in SA in 2nd test i think he came n got us break through of top order...... Hold ur judgement my frend ....dnt pass it so soon. PPL have been callling him a cannon fodder for Odi n he comes with impressive perfomance with ball time n again Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Coz u need some bowling Do we hve a batsman capable of giving us 10-15 overs even if he doesnt take wkts....lets say like ganguly Let me knw when u find one In last 5 test he has been better then ur top batters of the country U hear n quote what ever u want to He is suppourt bowler , thats how team is looking at who asked to decide for kohli how he wants to use him So lets agree to disagree Jadeja is one the shiitiest batsman in these conditon............dnt even think about making his case Well pandya did better with bat then ashwin in SA n Eng till now Bhuvi - he is more of a bowler who can bat even he is no all rounder by how much? Ashwin was one of our best bowlers in this test. He was infact promoted above both Pandya and Karthik when the conditions were really tough. That tells you how much faith is there in his batting. Ok Bhuvi is a bowler who can bat. What is Pandya a batsmen who can bowl? again going in circles here. Switchblade and Lannister 2 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Global.Baba said: Simple, list me the next 20-30 specialist batsmen/bowlers who are ready to break in the squad. Pretty sure atleast some of the batsmen can roll their arm over or some bowlers who can contribute some uselful runs. Not that difficult is it? Vihari- cnt give u more then 5 overs Shaw n gill- no one has a idea about their bowling Nair- at best can give u 5-7 overs.....thats it rest i dnt rate anyone highly to be considered for test cricket in terms of batting Bowling 5 overs is diff to bowling 10-15 regularly Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Simple, list me the next 20-30 specialist batsmen/bowlers who are ready to break in the squad. Pretty sure atleast some of the batsmen can roll their arm over or some bowlers who can contribute some uselful runs. Not that difficult is it? Vihari comes first to mind... Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Global.Baba said: by how much? Ashwin was one of our best bowlers in this test. He was infact promoted above both Pandya and Karthik when the conditions were really tough. That tells you how much faith is there in his batting. Yet pandya batted better then him n infact even karthik Condition was always tough 1 minute ago, Global.Baba said: Ok Bhuvi is a bowler who can bat. What is Pandya a batsmen who can bowl? again going in circles here. Yes more of a batting all rounder as of now express bowling and Moochad 2 Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: Vihari- cnt give u more then 5 overs Shaw n gill- no one has a idea about their bowling Nair- at best can give u 5-7 overs.....thats it rest i dnt rate anyone highly to be considered for test cricket in terms of batting Bowling 5 overs is diff to bowling 10-15 regularly Ok 5-7 overs. Are they better batsmen than Pandya though? Didn't you say Pandya is a support bowler who is there to give the specialist bowlers a break. so for those 5-6 extra utility overs,you want to weaken the batting with a hack? Link to comment
beetle Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) pandya is a righty . Edited August 6, 2018 by beetle Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Forever Indian said: Vihari comes first to mind... he is max a part timer in domestic Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Global.Baba said: Ok 5-7 overs. Are they better batsmen than Pandya though? Didn't you say Pandya is a support bowler who is there to give the specialist bowlers a break. so for those 5-6 extra utility overs,you want to weaken the batting with a hack? dnt knw I thought vijay, rahul, dhawan were better batsman then him ...hasnt looked like in last 5 test no 5-6 overs are almost no break u need around 10-15 yes u can have 2-3 like them then it can work like we had sehwag, sachin, ganguly so toghter they cud end up with 10-15 Edited August 6, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Yet pandya batted better then him n infact even karthik Condition was always tough Yes more of a batting all rounder as of now You said allrounder. Let us see how the allrounders performed this game. Stokes failed with the bat- Was lethal with the ball Curran- Had a fantastic allround game. Ashiwn- One of the best bowlers in this game,failed with the bat. Now with the same benchmark,you are calling Pandya a stellar success? Forever Indian and Switchblade 1 1 Link to comment
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