S_pace Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 You could have waited for the 2 test to get over befor making this "over the top " thread and we would have results and performance of each player. You are acting like he alone flopped whereas he was actually there to give us some hope till the end. We can wait for 1 more test. Moochad 1 Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: dnt knw I thought vijay, rahul, dhawan were better batsman then him ...hasnt looked like in last 5 test no 5-6 overs are almost no break u need around 10-15 yes u can have 2-3 like them then it can work like we had sehwag, sachin, ganguly so toghter they cud end up with 10-15 Once again Vijay, Dhawan and Rahul are in the side because the selectors/management think they are the best batsmen in the country. You make it seem like Pandya absolutely smashed the opposition or played a brilliant innings. It is like saying a batsman who was out for 1 is more successful than the guy who was out for 0. Switchblade 1 Link to comment
The Outsider Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 Pandya bowls 8-10 overs per innings, picking up one wicket per test, not innings, in domestic cricket and is being considered as a viable option for International cricket! Switchblade 1 Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: Vihari- cnt give u more then 5 overs Shaw n gill- no one has a idea about their bowling Nair- at best can give u 5-7 overs.....thats it rest i dnt rate anyone highly to be considered for test cricket in terms of batting Bowling 5 overs is diff to bowling 10-15 regularly In subcontinent, spinners can bowl unlimited overs, 5th bowler especially pacer is not required, that's 65 percent of matches covered. Of the rest 35 percent which is primarily SENA countries, most times we get dished out seamer friendly conditions, again where 250 to 300 is good score and you don't need 5th bowler. The only country where I can think of any use of 5th bowler is Australia bcos of their flat pitches. So just for those 15 percent of matches or once every 4 years tour of Aus we require Pandya. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Just now, Global.Baba said: You said allrounder. Let us see how the allrounders performed this game. Stokes failed with the bat- Was lethal with the ball Curran- Had a fantastic allround game. Ashiwn- One of the best bowlers in this game,failed with the bat. Now with the same benchmark,you are calling Pandya a stellar success? now ur going round n round we have gone over this ashwin plays as bowler not all rounder So does curran N look how much cricket has stokes played n pandya played. Stokes is playing at home so he knws these condition better what happ to stokes when he came to india, he avg 45 with the ball ...... Now here is ppl who are dying to compare stokes n Pandya After 8 test Batting Pandya - 35 avg Stokes - 28 Bowling Pandya- 46 Stokes - 39 Pandya ahead in batting, stokes ahead in bowling still not much of a diff sandeep and S_pace 2 Link to comment
UrmiSinhaRay Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I hate Pandya but one thing I can say for him-he needs to stop being an allrounder and concentrate on his batting.So that One extra Specialist Bowler can be sneaked inSent from my SM-G610F using Tapatalk Switchblade 1 Link to comment
asterix Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Wow! Didn’t realise that Pandya was the main culprit of the last match...Hope once he’s dropped, India will start winning again... UrmiSinhaRay, Moochad, sandeep and 2 others 1 1 2 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: The argument that that Pandya is scoring a few runs more than specialist batsmen is built on a wrong premise. If Ishant Sahrma ends up scoring more runs than Rahane in this series but fails as a bowler doesn't mean that he should replace Rahane as a batsman or Ishant's place should not be questioned. But Pandya is not specialist bowler like Ishant. Pandya is a batsman who can bowl somewhat. If he can't bat effectively and have an average of 38+ or 40+ after 25 tests ... he should be dropped even if he bowls decently. Edited August 6, 2018 by express bowling Moochad, UrmiSinhaRay and sandeep 1 2 Link to comment
The Outsider Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 You should’ve waited for one more test or few more chances, argument. My thread isn’t based upon whether Pandya succeeds in the next Test. It’s about his long term trajectory and future, which is nothing. Without a front foot defense and any movement at the age of 25, he would have to become a real outlier to become successful. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Once again Vijay, Dhawan and Rahul are in the side because the selectors/management think they are the best batsmen in the country. You make it seem like Pandya absolutely smashed the opposition or played a brilliant innings. It is like saying a batsman who was out for 1 is more successful than the guy who was out for 0. did better then them...... ur making it sound as if it was a patta n so easy to score. Even the home team struggled so learn to respect conditions as well Yup like in SA he reached 93 n others cudnt were struggling to reach 50 ( mind all of them were on their 2-3 Sa tour apart from rahul) Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, UrmiSinhaRay said: I hate Pandya but one thing I can say for him-he needs to stop being an allrounder and concentrate on his batting. So that One extra Specialist Bowler can be sneaked in Sent from my SM-G610F using Tapatalk URMI G Isme PR angle nhin nikala sarcastic 1 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Drop catches is minus....pandya is no minus with the ball.... when we were not getting wkts in SA in 2nd test i think he came n got us break through of top order...... Hold ur judgement my frend ....dnt pass it so soon. PPL have been callling him a cannon fodder for Odi n he comes with impressive perfomance with ball time n again I will repeat. In tests his batting average of 35 is good and that is not a problem area. The bowling SR of 88 runs and bowling average of 45 runs is a problem. I am not at all talking about ODI here. Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: now ur going round n round we have gone over this ashwin plays as bowler not all rounder So does curran N look how much cricket has stokes played n pandya played. Stokes is playing at home so he knws these condition better what happ to stokes when he came to india, he avg 45 with the ball ...... Now here is ppl who are dying to compare stokes n Pandya After 8 test Batting Pandya - 35 avg Stokes - 28 Bowling Pandya- 46 Stokes - 39 Pandya ahead in batting, stokes ahead in bowling still not much of a diff That is the point Kallis played as a batsman and Kapil Dev as a bowler. They were still allrounders. Same goes for Ashwin though obviously not in the same bracket as the above names. Infact England faced this problem in Ashes with Moeen Ali who is infact a much better batsman/bowler than Pandya. He ruined their balance because he was not good enough against short pitch stuff and Lyon was outbowling him. England would have done better with an out and out specialist. Sometimes playing an allrounder just for the sake of it won't help. UrmiSinhaRay and Switchblade 1 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Straight Drive said: I will repeat. In tests his batting average of 35 is good and that is not a problem area. The bowling SR of 88 runs and bowling average of 45 runs is a problem. I am not at all talking about ODI here. will improve with time, Qaide se to jo ishant ki bowling avg uska bhi test khelna banta nhin Dhawan aur rohit ka test cricket nhin fir bhi 25+ khel hi gaye.........lets atleast give him that time express bowling 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Global.Baba said: Sometimes playing an allrounder just for the sake of it won't help. Only if our problem was him At this point our specialist not doing the job is the bigger problem , not saying pandya is undroppable or has been gr8 but he is least of our worry UrmiSinhaRay, sandeep and asterix 2 1 Link to comment
Moochad Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Problem isn't Pandya, he showed the ability to fight on a tough pitch when so-called technically correct players like Vijay, Rahul, Rahane were found wanting. Neither is he done growing as a batsman so that he can improve even further. 35 average and the ability to chip in 10 overs is nothing to scoff at sandeep, UrmiSinhaRay, express bowling and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: will improve with time, Qaide se to jo ishant ki bowling avg uska bhi test khelna banta nhin Dhawan aur rohit ka test cricket nhin fir bhi 25+ khel hi gaye.........lets atleast give him that time I never said Shikhar is worthy of place or Rohit is worthy of place in test squad. But just because others are not performing we cannot ignore Hardiks failure as a bowler. He is not the only problem, but one of the problem. Not the worst of the problem but still a problem. Lannister and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Pandya is what he is. Nobody is claiming that he's the next Kapil. But haters would do well to take note that the home team is playing Jos Buttler and his unimpressive test record, without having him keep, at #7. And they also chose to go with Curran ahead of Porter as third seamer, not in any small part due to his batting abilities. It should be obvious that when it comes to test cricket in England, in these conditions, with the Duke ball, there is a non trivial difference in batting after the 35th over, and it's important to have some batting lower down the order. It is simply foolish not to adjust to that ground reality and keep harping on the importance of specialists over bits and pieces. The bottom line is simple. If the conditions mean that a Pandya offers more value as a package over a Jadeja/Kuldeep , he plays. Its no use whining about his limited bowling effectiveness, or vomiting out your personal dislike of his batting stylings. It's as relevant as a in depth discussion of his next fugly haircut. UrmiSinhaRay, Brainfade, asterix and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, Forever Indian said: In subcontinent, spinners can bowl unlimited overs, 5th bowler especially pacer is not required, that's 65 percent of matches covered. Of the rest 35 percent which is primarily SENA countries, most times we get dished out seamer friendly conditions, again where 250 to 300 is good score and you don't need 5th bowler. The only country where I can think of any use of 5th bowler is Australia bcos of their flat pitches. So just for those 15 percent of matches or once every 4 years tour of Aus we require Pandya. ill not play him in subcontinet most days, may be in few test here n there ( may be against lanka where it seams around to ) Will go with ashwin, jadeja, kuldeep . JAdeja batting is good enough in subcontinent ....... We have just gotten such pitches this time Last time pitches were diff in SA n NZ and our bowlers went for 400-600 runs thats were zak broke down, shami n ishant wen down. U cnt go in every test thinking ull bundle opposition under 300 everytime. Also with shami in 11 always keep a backup ..........dnt wanna see kohli roll his arm over Even overseas pitches turn flat during 2-3 day Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, The Outsider said: You should’ve waited for one more test or few more chances, argument. My thread isn’t based upon whether Pandya succeeds in the next Test. It’s about his long term trajectory and future, which is nothing. Without a front foot defense and any movement at the age of 25, he would have to become a real outlier to become successful. Pandya's front door defennce is not bad. He usually uses a small back and across trigger movement while facing faster pacers ... goes to the line of the ball ... leans forward and plays the ball under his eyes. His only issue is ... he does not use soft hands while defending. A significant percentage of 2010 specialist batters have this issue too, including many Indians. Bad habit of playing too many T20s. Another thing I liked about his approach was that ... he was standing outside the crease in the 2nd innings to negate the swing. Shows that he is thinking about the condition and willing to adapt. Our top 5 batters, barring Kohli, did not do this. sandeep, UrmiSinhaRay and Ankit_sharma03 1 2 Link to comment
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