The Outsider Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) Pandya is no Kapil Dev, said the wise Holding. Pandya is not even a Madan Lal, Prabhakar, or Roger Binny. He has no place in Test cricket and needs to be dispatched to the more colorful cricketing attire with some urgency. The guy struggles to play a proper forward defensive stroke and has been wicketless for four consecutive tests. His bowling is pedestrian. The guy struggles to pick up one wicket in a match at First Class level, and will struggle to do that in Tests as well, probably at an average topping 50. Incredible that India are playing a specialist batsman at number 7 and 8, a specialist batsman who averages 35 in First Class cricket. A specialist batsman should at least average 40. This cow-lasher has a First Class average of 35, and one century after lappebaazing the hapless Sri Lankans. Okay, leeway can be made for borderline all rounders. Stokes averages 35, but picks up 2+ wickets per match. Shastri averaged 35, but picked up 2 wickets per match, and opened and scored hundreds against good attacks away from home. This lappebaaz plays at number 7/8 and will struggle to pick up even one wicket per match. The guy is 25 and has no upside of becoming even a Prabhakar, Binny, or Madan Lal. Please spare Test cricket the presence of this cow lashing, lappebaaz, gun barrel straight, pie-chucker. EDIT: Adding stats to help with poal choices Sobers: Batting average - 58; Bowling average - 34 (2.5 Wickets per test) Kapil: Batting average - 31; Bowling average - 29 (3.5 Wickets per test) Flintoff: Batting average - 32; Bowling average - 33 (2.75 Wickets per test) Watson: Batting average - 35; Bowling average - 34 (1.25 Wickets per test) Shastri: Batting average - 36; Bowling average - 41 (1.9 Wickets per test) Prabhakar: Batting average - 33; Bowling average - 37 (2.4 Wickets per test) Abdul Razzaq: Batting average - 29; Bowling average - 37 (2.2 Wickets per test) Madan Lal: Batting average - 23; Bowling average - 40 (1.8 Wickets per test) Abid Ali: Batting average - 20; Bowling average - 42 (1.6 Wickets per test) Ronnie Irani: Batting average - 17; Bowling average - 37 (1 Wicket per test) Edited August 7, 2018 by The Outsider Poal and stats RedFever, Lannister, Chandan and 8 others 1 4 1 4 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 what was madan lal, prabhakar, binny ??? Hapless SL- what about his 93 against Sa, where the other so called batsman apart from kohli were even struggling to reach 50 Link to comment
GautiMaan Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Give Pandya 15 tests at home and he will easilly average over 45 with the bat Going by the threads on ICF It's almost as if Pandya is the single cause of our Losses when in truth he has done better than the so called specialist batsmen express bowling and BlueBee 2 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, GautiMaan said: Give Pandya 15 tests at home and he will easilly average over 45 with the bat Going by the threads on ICF It's almost as if Pandya is the single cause of our Losses when in truth he has done better than the so called specialist batsmen That's why he averages below 30 in FC. UrmiSinhaRay and Switchblade 2 Link to comment
GautiMaan Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: That's why he averages below 30 in FC. That's why he averages over 35 in Test Cricket Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Hardik's test batting average of 35 is good for a test batting all rounder. However, his test bowling SR of 88 is something which needs lot of improvement. Imo he should be given few more tests to let him showcase that he is improving as a test bowler. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, GautiMaan said: That's why he averages over 35 in Test Cricket He will never cross average of 40 after 15 tests. Most likely remain batsman with average of 25-32 and bowler with average of 40+. UrmiSinhaRay, Switchblade and Frustrated 2 1 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I would like to see his bowling and batting stats after 20 tests and then take a call. We cannot drop an all rounder so easily because he is failing in one skill set at test format as there is scarcity of pace all rounder in India. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: Hardik's test batting average of 35 is good for a test batting all rounder. However, his test bowling SR of 88 is something which needs lot of improvement. Imo he should be given few more tests to let him showcase that he is improving as a test bowler. for that he has to given a lot more bowling he has jst bowled 102 overs in 8 test that basically 12-13 over per test which isnt much Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: for that he has to given a lot more bowling he has jst bowled 102 overs in 8 test that basically 12-13 over per test which isnt much That's because he leaks runs and is part timer at best? UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Lannister Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 We need a proper bowler in his place. He averages 46 with his bowling in Test cricket. His ODI bowling stats is also worse. UrmiSinhaRay and Switchblade 1 1 Link to comment
The Outsider Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 Showcasing improvements, Haha! This is the showcase. A guy who can’t play proper forward defensive strokes and bowls utter tripe with no swing or controlled seam movement at the age of 25 has zero upside. There are a couple of non-negotiable things in Test cricket: 1. Batting: You must have at the minimum a proper forward defense. Successful batsmen who were attacking and weren’t sure of their off stump always, like Sehwag, Gilchrist, Kapil, all had a solid forward defense. 2. Bowling: Some kind of movement. This guy is gun barrel straight. He doesn’t swing the ball, neither does he hit the deck hard, and neither does he have the height to produce unpredictable bounce. There are no cricketing tools to build on here. If he works on his game, he can possibly emulate Syed Abid Ali. Don’t see him crossing Madan Lal, Binny, or Prabhakar. Frustrated, UrmiSinhaRay and Switchblade 1 2 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: for that he has to given a lot more bowling he has jst bowled 102 overs in 8 test that basically 12-13 over per test which isnt much His SR factors all the overs he bowls. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: His SR factors all the overs he bowls. that will improve with time and more responsibility at this point his role is to rest others and he is doing that....lets not look at s/r right now 10 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: That's because he leaks runs and is part timer at best? If u wanna call him a part timer u have to lower ur expectation towards him as bowler Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: that will improve with time and more responsibility at this point his role is to rest others and he is doing that....lets not look at s/r right now If u wanna call him a part timer u have to lower ur expectation towards him as bowler I differ on that view that AR needs to be used to rest bowlers. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
GautiMaan Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Something about Pandya is irking the posters here and I'm not sure it's his cricketing pedigree or lack thereof If Pandya is as bad as you think then Test Cricket will expose him just like Binny, Raina and others before.Right now we have bigger problems like how technically correct batsmen with forward defence can't score half the runs as Pandya adi B, ThePhenomenal1, upriser7 and 3 others 2 1 3 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Straight Drive said: I differ on that view that AR needs to be used to rest bowlers. but he is used like that currently, its not about our views that how team is using him Link to comment
The Outsider Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 We should buy a hammock to rest our bowlers, if that’s Pandya’s role in the side. SK_IH, Khota, UrmiSinhaRay and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Lets all agree to disagree on pandya here, ppl have diff opinions But likes of tendulkar, ganguly, wasim, ponting , sangakkara and even Ian chappell is having high expectation n have backed him ........u think these guys foolish Something tell me that after around 15 test ill be laughing at this thread, GautiMaan 1 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, The Outsider said: Showcasing improvements, Haha! This is the showcase. A guy who can’t play proper forward defensive strokes and bowls utter tripe with no swing or controlled seam movement at the age of 25 has zero upside. There are a couple of non-negotiable things in Test cricket: 1. Batting: You must have at the minimum a proper forward defense. Successful batsmen who were attacking and weren’t sure of their off stump always, like Sehwag, Gilchrist, Kapil, all had a solid forward defense. 2. Bowling: Some kind of movement. This guy is gun barrel straight. He doesn’t swing the ball, neither does he hit the deck hard, and neither does he have the height to produce unpredictable bounce. There are no cricketing tools to build on here. If he works on his game, he can possibly emulate Syed Abid Ali. Don’t see him crossing Madan Lal, Binny, or Prabhakar. Prabhakar was different. He opened the bowling as well as batting. But yes, I do agree that showcasing can not go on and on. That's why I said 20 tests, not 30 or 60 odd. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
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