Please drop Pandya to maintain Test cricket’s sanctity.

[SK_IH]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

karan is a bowler first, batsman second.  he wont be dropped if he is doing reasonably well with the ball.  Pandya is a batsman first, bowler second.  He will primarily be judged based on his batting.  He is more like a sixth batsman who can bowl some like Ganguly used to be for us.  

thanks for stating this, this clearly means he has no place in the side, he is not a batsman in league of ganguly

18 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

He hasn't flopped totally if you see his series by series performances.it has been a mixed bag of peaks and lows.

 

To clarify:

1. He had a very good debut series versus SL in SL both with bat and ball.

 

2. Then he had a bad series versus SA in SA both with bat and ball.Here he averaged 20 with bat and had bowling sr of 102 with 3 wickets in 3 matches.

 

3.Again he had a very good series with the bat against Afghanistan in India averaging 71 !!  but couldn't pick a wicket as captain did not give him more than 9 overs and usually for a high SR bowler which he is, it is difficult for him to pick wicket in those many overs.Overall still a  very good series considering he excelled with bat.

 

It is a very conditions specific performance trend in terms of opponents and in terms of asian/sena series.Think he needs to be given couple of series which will let us know whether there is an improvement in trends or not.

 

 

he doesnt warrant a place in the side,he is playing on potential and by doing that we are compromising our side which is already beset with many problems

Edited August 8, 2018 by SK_IH

[shortbread]

At present Pandya isn't good enough a batsman to secure a spot as one in the test side. His bowling even in friendly conditions delivered nothing. Actually, it was fruitful for the opposition. The English batsman will treat Pandya the same way India would treat a visiting opposition spinner. 

 

He was fortunate enough to last the longest in a team where most batsman failed. It's a poor measure to pick him again. Pandya in the side at Lords will deliver nothing for India and that's not his fault. Horses for courses, and right now he looks like a pony that has turned up for the Royal Ascot. A pretty thing to look at no doubt and holds promise as well, the only issue is it simply cannot race! 

[rkt.india]

14 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

thanks for stating this, this clearly means he has no place in the side, he is not a batsman in league of ganguly

he doesnt warrant a place in the side,he is playing on potential and by doing that we are compromising our side which is already beset with many problems

Ganguly was no great test batsman. Also, we dont have batsman in the league of Sehwag, Gavaskar, Dravid, Laxman, so, other batsman have no place in the side as well in your theory.  Pandya is like Ganguly for this team.  I did not see he is as good as Ganguly was.  he will make his own place and space in time to come.  Like Vijaay Dhawan puajra, rahane are no Sehwag, Gavaskar, Dravid, Laxman.  same way he is no Ganguly but is an option like Ganguly.

Edited August 8, 2018 by rkt.india

[SK_IH]

7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Ganguly was no great test batsman. Also, we dont have batsman in the league of Sehwag, Gavaskar, Dravid, Laxman, so, other batsman have no place in the side as well in your theory.  Pandya is like Ganguly for this team.  I did not see he is as good as Ganguly was.  he will make his own place and space in time to come.  Like Vijaay Dhawan puajra, rahane are no Sehwag, Gavaskar, Dravid, Laxman.  same way he is no Ganguly but is an option like Ganguly.

i agree ganguly was not a great test batsman but still pandya is not even in his league as a batsman

and its not about if the current generation is as good as previous generation or not, its specifically about Pandya the all rounder and his utility, if he slots into the side he has to be atleast as good as Gnaguly as a batsman, if he as good as bhuvi as a btsman and ganguly as a bowler, then he has no place in the side

anyways he is not the best reserve batsman in the country and he is playing in the side as an all rounder and not a relief bowler to main trio as you have assumed

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

We definitely won that Ct final.a few mindless slogs in SA which he failed to replicate again in the tour.

oh yea u wud have won chased that 330 target on back of one player performing, thought cricket is a team game

Did u that innings.....slogging only came when tail was with him and it was needed, n more then slogging its his ability to play shots. SLogging is what jadeja did it in 2014 lords

 

IS this tour over???? atleast he showed application in 2 innings ...........the other batsman cud they even do that

 

[Stuge]

He is not going anywhere like it will or hate it .

[express bowling]

 

1 hour ago, SK_IH said:

.no,can we expect 100s from him ? no 

 

Why can't we expect 100s from him when he has a 100+ and a 93 from only 8 tests  ?

 

 

[Straight Drive]

1 hour ago, SK_IH said:

thanks for stating this, this clearly means he has no place in the side, he is not a batsman in league of ganguly

he doesnt warrant a place in the side,he is playing on potential and by doing that we are compromising our side which is already beset with many problems

To repeat he had a good debut versus Lanka doing good with bat and ball, a bad series against SA both with bat and worse with ball with sr of 102 and a wonderful batting series against Afghanistan with bat avg of 91 and below par performance with ball with no wicket in 9 overs against a team like Afghanistan. So I have not said anywhere that he warrants a place in side yet. What i have mentioned though is that like any new test comer with 8 tests he is still a work in progress having shown peak performance trends in some aspects in some conditions and low performance trends in some conditions. Let this series get over and his performances trends will be much clear.

 

To me, Bhuvi is subjectively as well as statistically much better perfromer in conditions of SA and England. Batting stats too suggest Bhuvi has a  higher average than him in SA and England. Even Ashwin for that matter has a better batting average than Hardik in SA and England so far.  If Bhuvi was fit then Hardik's 20 odd runs are not required because Bhuvi scores more and along with Ashwin who also has better batting average than him in SA and England, selection becomes no brainer.With Bhuvi and Ashwin's higher returns of runs, his batting average of 20 in these conditions is taken care of by both specialist bowlers.

 

Like we discussed about how he did with bat and ball in each series versus SL, SA, Afghanistan we can have an analysis of this series as well eventually after it's get over. I do not see a point in hurriedly coming to conclusions on his performance this series before it ends without the basis of having a look at more happenings until the end of this England series. 

 

We can always discuss his performances in details against SL, SA and Afghanistan though i have already given my views in general about those series.Don't have to say too much regarding England series as of now.

Edited August 8, 2018 by Straight Drive

[Rightarmfast]

Just because Ganguly wasnt a great Test batsman, doesnt mean Pandya's inclusion should become automatic. The only reason Pandya's innings is seeming comparatively better is because the whole of the team performed extraordinarily poorly. That should not set a precedence to choose Pandya. 

Even if the other batsmen performed poorly, we should stick get an extra batter, because probability says that theres more chances of a pure batsman performing than a hack. 

 

The reason why the team is travelling to England is to win matches. Theres no emotion involved here. And Pandya can not be in the scheme of things because he doesnt merit a place either as a batsman or a bowler. He cant be trusted at all. Even otherwise, Pandya is pretty poor as an allrounder. 

[SK_IH]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Why can't we expect 100s from him when he has a 100+ and a 93 from only 8 tests  ?

 

 

people here are celebrating his 2nd highest score of 20 odd with such joy , it seems such scores suffice for him, just like other batsman his returns were ordinary and should be treated as such 

[SK_IH]

Meanwhile Indian Bowling coach has this to offer :

Quote

THE LESS PANDYA BOWLS, THE BETTER FOR INDIA - ARUN

India bowling coach Bharat Arun hopes their attack go well enough at Lord's to not need the services of Hardik Pandya

tou BC kyon khila rahe ho isko 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, SK_IH said:

people here are celebrating his 2nd highest score of 20 odd with such joy , it seems such scores suffice for him, just like other batsman his returns were ordinary and should be treated as such 

 

It was a 31.

 

It is being discussed because this was a low scoring match where even home team batters could not score more than 57 in the 2nd innings and only two batters crossed 50 combining 2 teams.

 

 

Edited August 8, 2018 by express bowling

[express bowling]

15 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Meanwhile Indian Bowling coach has this to offer :

tou BC kyon khila rahe ho isko 

 

Read the full interview.

 

He says it is better because that means our top 4 bowlers are bowling really well  ( and taking wickets fast ).

[SK_IH]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Read the full interview.

 

He says it is better because that means our top 4 bowlers are bowling really well  ( and taking wickets fast ).

This is how they are trying to develop the so called all rounder,this just betrays the confidence they have in him 

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

This is how they are trying to develop the so called all rounder,this just betrays the confidence they have in him 

 

Pandya is not a specialist bowler.

[sandeep]

26 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Read the full interview.

 

He says it is better because that means our top 4 bowlers are bowling really well  ( and taking wickets fast ).

The point is that Pandya is an insurance policy in the team, for the times when our bowlers can't take 10 wickets in 60-70 overs.  

 

And you could argue that is a scenario that's quite likely to occur frequently.

[SK_IH]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Pandya is not a specialist bowler.

if we play 5 bowlers, all of them should be good enough to take wkts, otherwise play  a batsman 

[express bowling]

21 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

if we play 5 bowlers, all of them should be good enough to take wkts, otherwise play  a batsman 

 

No modern test captain would agree.

[SK_IH]

11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

No modern test captain would agree.

what? can you elaborate

[express bowling]

29 minutes ago, sandeep said:

The point is that Pandya is an insurance policy in the team, for the times when our bowlers can't take 10 wickets in 60-70 overs.  

 

And you could argue that is a scenario that's quite likely to occur frequently.

 

If we are playing tests on a pitch or in conditions where playing 2 spinners is not possible ... and we are playing just 4 specialist bowlers ...  this means the lone spinner won't bowl more than 20 overs because of the pitch etc. ...  so the 3 specialist pacers will have to bowl 70 overs ... so, their pace and intensity would come down.  The 4th pacer comes in here to share thee workload ...  but we can rarely play a specialist 5th bowler (  unless 2 such bowlers can bat too )  as we don't want our weak batting to weaken too much.  Pandya is just the best choice available as of today for this role.