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Would a young SRT (age 22-23) find a place in this team? Teeange SRT, or was he just lucky to play in that era?


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@putrevus claimed that SRT was just lucky to debut early and he couldn't have played early in this side. 

 

Leaving aside non-cricketing reasons, was young SRT good enough to find a place in this batting line up? Teen SRT?

 

This was SRT at age of 19.

 

Career averages
  Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0  
unfiltered 1989-2013 200 329 33 15921 248* 53.78 51 68 14 Profile
filtered 1989-1993 25 37 3 1522 165 44.76 5 8 3  
Career summary
GroupingAscending Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0  
v Australia 1991-1992 5 9 1 368 148* 46.00 2 0 0 view innings
v England 1990-1993 6 9 2 547 165 78.14 2 3 0 view innings
v New Zealand 1990-1990 3 4 0 117 88 29.25 0 1 1 view innings
v Pakistan 1989-1989 4 6 0 215 59 35.83 0 2 0 view innings
v South Africa 1992-1993 4 6 0 202 111 33.66 1 1 1 view innings
v Sri Lanka 1990-1990 1 1 0 11 11 11.00 0 0 0 view innings
v Zimbabwe 1992-1993 2 2 0 62 62 31.00 0 1 1 view innings
 
in Australia 1991-1992 5 9 1 368 148* 46.00 2 0 0 view innings
in England 1990-1990 3 5 1 245 119* 61.25 1 1 0 view innings
in India 1990-1993 5 6 1 375 165 75.00 1 3 0 view innings
in New Zealand 1990-1990 3 4 0 117 88 29.25 0 1 1 view innings
in Pakistan 1989-1989 4 6 0 215 59 35.83 0 2 0 view innings
in South Africa 1992-1993 4 6 0 202 111 33.66 1 1 1 view innings
in Zimbabwe 1992-1992 1 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 1 view innings

 

 

Was he good enough to compete with Dhawan, Rohit, Pujara and Rahane in test cricket?

 

What about before turning 23?

Career averages
  Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0  
unfiltered 1989-2013 200 329 33 15921 248* 53.78 51 68 14 Profile
filtered 1989-1995 38 55 7 2483 179 51.72 8 13 3  
Career summary
GroupingAscending Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0  
v Australia 1991-1992 5 9 1 368 148* 46.00 2 0 0 view innings
v England 1990-1993 6 9 2 547 165 78.14 2 3 0 view innings
v New Zealand 1990-1995 7 10 3 229 88 32.71 0 2 1 view innings
v Pakistan 1989-1989 4 6 0 215 59 35.83 0 2 0 view innings
v South Africa 1992-1993 4 6 0 202 111 33.66 1 1 1 view innings
v Sri Lanka 1990-1994 7 7 1 458 142 76.33 2 2 0 view innings
v West Indies 1994-1994 3 6 0 402 179 67.00 1 2 0 view innings
v Zimbabwe 1992-1993 2 2 0 62 62 31.00 0 1 1 view innings
 
in Australia 1991-1992 5 9 1 368 148* 46.00 2 0 0 view innings
in England 1990-1990 3 5 1 245 119* 61.25 1 1 0 view innings
in India 1990-1995 14 19 3 1079 179 67.43 3 7 0 view innings
in New Zealand 1990-1994 4 6 1 171 88 34.20 0 1 1 view innings
in Pakistan 1989-1989 4 6 0 215 59 35.83 0 2 0 view innings
in South Africa 1992-1993 4 6 0 202 111 33.66 1 1 1 view innings
in Sri Lanka 1993-1993 3 3 1 203 104* 101.50 1 1 0 view innings
in Zimbabwe 1992-1992 1 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 1 view innings

 

 

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SRT absolutely deserved to play in international cricket when he debuted. If someone is denying the fact that SRT was not a far more gifted cricketer and technically sound batsman at 16 than Kohli was, they are deluded. Has Virat surpassed him in tests yet? Hell no. But if Virat stays in the game for another 10 years, he has a very good chance of doing that. Given how much value he brings to team in terms of stepping up his performance is a true sign of strong leadership. SRT was miserable during his time as captain, Virat revels in it. 

 

Technique and talent alone does not make one great. Look at Steve Smith and all the success he has had with that horrible batting style. I think Kohli is a good combination of technique (which he has shown willing to evolve), grit, determination and the ability to contribute when the team needs him. That is the hallmark of a MVP. I think in that regard he may surpass SRT in a few years if he keeps up the performance. 

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Averaging 44 at age of 19 is tremendous. The likes of Rahul, Ajinkya, Shikhar, Vijay all have career average between 40 - 42 even at very higher ages and they are struggling to even maintain that average of 42. Whereas Sachin took his average to 54 as he grew up. He is a very good example of success at young age where majority cannot achieve, be it any profession. Also, a very good example of someone who manages to use the immense talent, hard work, experience at young ages to improve upon the achievements as he aged higher. 

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People forget a simple fact that during most part of Sachin career even Zim ( Flowers brothers/campbell/goodwin/blignaut/brandis/streak/jonshon)  and SL( desilva/jaysurya/mahela/sanga/vaas/murlitharan) were not that meek like current aus and sa team who simply surrender in overseas condition. To win in SL and Zim was a bigger achievement. Yup it would have been really tough for sachin to perform against scintillating attack of chigumbra/mpofu/ngarva/tripano who defended 8 run in last over against ATG Dhoni or against Dhamika/Suranga/Akhila against whom Dhawan looks like bradman.

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Of course, Tendulkar was lucky to debut for India at such a young age.  Not about talent but these days with the amount of u19 and Ind A tours, even a 22-25 year old batsman find it difficult just to get selected by the selectors and in the final 11..reason given is he needs to develop in Ranjis

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10 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

OP are you serious? That young Sachin was a beast and better than any batsman in the current team bar Kohli. You should see his innings at Perth, Sydney and Old Trafford as a 17 year old. The current players can only dream of playing such innings even in their 30s

To be honest, Kohli's 75 at Perth were better than SRT's 100 at Perth.  1992 Perth had good pace and bounce but bowling was average.  2012 Perth pitch had pace and bounce along with movement of the pitch.

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Tendulkar had a bit of luck that there was an open slot in the middle order.  But he forced his way into the team, and stayed there, because he was simply that good.  The guy scored centuries or 85+ in his first tour all over the world - England, Australia, NZ, WI.  there SA wasn't a cricket nation in his early days.   When a young batsman who has just made the team demonstrates that level of batting quality and performance, his age doesn't matter.  

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20 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

To be honest, Kohli's 75 at Perth were better than SRT's 100 at Perth.  1992 Perth had good pace and bounce but bowling was average.  2012 Perth pitch had pace and bounce along with movement of the pitch.

Debatable.

Mcdermott, Hughes, Reiffel was equally good bowling attack as Harris, Hilfenhaus,Siddle etc.

But since Sachin was only 17 years kid that time and went on to century (which Kohli failed), I rate that knock more.

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38 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

OP are you serious? That young Sachin was a beast and better than any batsman in the current team bar Kohli. You should see his innings at Perth, Sydney and Old Trafford as a 17 year old. The current players can only dream of playing such innings even in their 30s

iirc he made 142 at OT and got a standing ovation. What a moment to achieve and experience at that tender age. 

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35 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Debatable.

Mcdermott, Hughes, Reiffel was equally good bowling attack as Harris, Hilfenhaus,Siddle etc.

But since Sachin was only 17 years kid that time and went on to century (which Kohli failed), I rate that knock more.

none of the bowler averages less than 25.  All 28 or more which is pretty high for that era. 

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Whatever Sachin did after the debut was great and we were lucky that it all worked out well after couple of years. 

The main point is what was Sachin's record before getting selected and how was it different from other domestic players? Its like Prithvi Shaw playing in SA and Eng tours. For sure we know that is never going to happen in these times.

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