Can Pandya average >37 with bat and <32 with ball?

[AmreekanDesi]

Discuss.

both tests and one day 

[zen]

I thought he has to bat like Sir Gary Sobers and bowl like Sir Richard Hadlee

 

PS 150 is coming up at Lords

 

 

Edited August 8, 2018 by zen

[zen]

6/80 at Lords

 

 

 

^ on a serious note that is superb bowling  

 

[coffee_rules]

He's a great utility player for LOIs - ODIs ans T20s, but Tests cricket, he's not cut out for. We need better skills for Test cricket. 

[Trichromatic]

No.

 

1. None of Indian bowler pacer has averaged < 32 in career since Srinath. 

2. Fix a main role for him. If it is batting then he has to be good enough batsman for that position i.e. avg 40.

3. In secondary role he should be able to take wickets regularly irrespective of average.

4. If main role is bowling then wickets per match should be greater than 2 and average not more than 35.

5. Batting average should be greater than 25.

 

 

 

[rkt.india]

Even our pacers don't average 32

[Vilander]

he can average 73 with the ball and 23 with the bat. its all the same numbers..dont matter, he is next only to sobers.

[Straight Drive]

It's tough to get bowling SR from 88 down.There are more chances in his test batting averages improve.He had very good series against SL and Afghanistan, but then his batting average and bowling avg took  were pathetic in SA.In England he has an opportunity to strike back with a good series.

[diehardpacer]

He was the 2nd best batsman in the 1st test.Bowlers did their job of taking 20 wickets despite legends like shameless Dhawan & DK dropping catches.He is good enough batsman to bat at no.5 & is better than Ashwin & Jadeja.If he bats at 5,he will easily avg above 35 overseas and above 45 at home.He is a batsman who can bowl.

[rtmohanlal]

He should avg: 37 with the bat  and  at least  38 with the ball if he is to bat at 6th  position for India. If he can achieve that his  performance is worth what VVS could do at 6th position for India(in Pandya's case both batting+bowling combined) . I think he is capable of achieving that

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

No.

 

1. None of Indian bowler pacer has averaged < 32 in career since Srinath. 

2. Fix a main role for him. If it is batting then he has to be good enough batsman for that position i.e. avg 40.

But he will mostly get to play overseas, and that will affect his n every batsman avg 

Come subcontinent he ll be dropped for kuldeep . 

In last 4 test in overseas we have seen records of other batsman apart from kohli gone to gutter

[Ankit_sharma03]

Ishant avg 35

Umesh - 34 

Shami - 30

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

But he will mostly get to play overseas, and that will affect his n every batsman avg 

Come subcontinent he ll be dropped for kuldeep . 

In last 4 test in overseas we have seen records of other batsman apart from kohli gone to gutter

no. i dont see Kohli dropping him unless he bats very badly in India.  Even if we play 3 spinners on a rank turner, they will drop a specialist pacer.

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

no. i dont see Kohli dropping him unless he bats very badly in India.  Even if we play 3 spinners on a rank turner, they will drop a specialist pacer.

I see kohli going for the attacking option in India with 3 spinners

the diff here n their is - Jadeja batting is pretty much rubbish in overseas but decent in subcontinent . Also in India spinners bowls max numbers of overs so fast bowlers dnt have that burden that they need some breather

 

Even though for development of pandya its important he plays everywhere, but i doubt that in India 

 

I doubt we are going to see many rank turners now, on a rank turner we can go with a specialist bat . Pandya batting against spinners can make a case for him as batsman but m nt sure will team see beyond the tags of all rounder. Ignoring shami n umesh on those pitches with reverse swing is also hard

Edited August 8, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I see kohli going for the attacking option in India with 3 spinners

the diff here n their is - Jadeja batting is pretty much rubbish in overseas but decent in subcontinent . Also in India spinners bowls max numbers of overs so fast bowlers dnt have that burden that they need some breather

 

Even though for development of pandya its important he plays everywhere, but i doubt that in India 

on turners batting cushion is important.  so if he plays 3 spinners then i can see them play only one specialist seamer like they did against SA in Nagpur.  To be honest, I want more Dharmashala vs Aus type pitches in India.  it keeps every one in the game and not rank turners.  Until that happens, we will keep struggling overseas.  We render pacers useless at home and then expect them to win series overseas is living in fantasies.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

on turners batting cushion is important.  so if he plays 3 spinners then i can see them play only one specialist seamer like they did against SA in Nagpur.  To be honest, I want more Dharmashala vs Aus type pitches in India.  it keeps every one in the game and not rank turners.  Until that happens, we will keep struggling overseas.  We render pacers useless at home and then expect them to win series overseas is living in fantasies.

I edited my post and added something , but i think u replied before that 

 

10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I doubt we are going to see many rank turners now, on a rank turner we can go with a specialist bat . Pandya batting against spinners can make a case for him as batsman but m nt sure will team see beyond the tags of all rounder. Ignoring shami n umesh on those pitches with reverse swing is also hard

About the Dharamshala pitch i wud love if that happens but i doubt that will happen atleast against sides like Sa or may be even England . But with 3 spinners like ashwin, jadeja, kuldeep up our sleeves the temptation to give helpful wkts for them wud be alot 

 

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

But he will mostly get to play overseas, and that will affect his n every batsman avg 

Come subcontinent he ll be dropped for kuldeep . 

In last 4 test in overseas we have seen records of other batsman apart from kohli gone to gutter

If that's the argument then he shouldn't be averaging 50+ with the ball like he did in SA.

 

He should average 30-32 max with ball if he plays on bowling friendly pitches and 25+ with bat.

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

If that's the argument then he shouldn't be averaging 50+ with the ball like he did in SA.

 

He should average 30-32 max with ball if he plays on bowling friendly pitches and 25+ with bat.

How much has he bowled in these test, n how a lil sample size is 4 test to even pass a judgement

Pretty much ur 4 bowlers have done the job for us, so 5th has nt come much into play

 

Dnt just quote stats, look at the match situtation . We all knw he has been fast tracked, bowling skills develop over a period of time. Yesterday somebody quoted bangar bowling in oval......erre the team bowled 155 overs so everyone had to do a lot of bowling . On an avg he is getting 12 overs per innings,not becoz he is bad coz others are pretty much doing the job

 

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ishant avg 35

Umesh - 34 

Shami - 30

This is the avg of ur current bowling , easier said then done. 

 

Our expectation we want a complete bowler in him n complete batsman ....

In reality he is raw and judging who has done better then most of our batsman in tough condition n hasnt bowled much....so the judgement is passed on too soon 

[mishra]

No, but if he averages 32 with bat and 38 with ball, I am happy. Currently his batting average is fine. What is not fine is his bowling average. On overseas trip, he has to make most of overseas series.

 

Allthough, I think he will step up if we just play 2 specialist pacers and him being the third seamer. Let him know his role clearly. He is first change bowler to bowl a spell of 5-6 overs. And then work on getting reverse swing when ball gets older

[Straight Drive]

39 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

If that's the argument then he shouldn't be averaging 50+ with the ball like he did in SA.

 

He should average 30-32 max with ball if he plays on bowling friendly pitches and 25+ with bat.

SA series: Bowled 51 overs. His bowling average was 54 and SR was 102. 3 wickets in 3 tests. 

 

Test 1 - 18 overs, 3 wickets (Faf, Markram,Elgar)

Test 2 - 25 overs, 0 wickets

Test 3-  8 overs, 0 wickets.

 

Overall a very bad bowling series given the conditions and low scoring matches. SR of 102 was pathetic imo so was average of 54.