coffee_rules Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/103644/no-such-thing-as-fair-weather-for-swing-james-anderson Quote In cricket, there is a strongly held belief that the ball's tendency to deviate through the air is affected by the weather. The ball swings more, it is believed, in moist conditions under cloudy skies. Only, this is not true either. Aerodynamics experts, such as Dr. Rabi Mehta, NASA scientist and former new-ball partner of cricket legend and current Pakistan Prime Minister, Imran Khan, have long established that overcast conditions do not accentuate swing. And despite years of studies, publications, and interviews on the matter, his findings have fallen overwhelmingly on deaf ears. .. We are quick to recall the occasions when the ball swung under cloud-laden skies in Headingley or Lord's, but forget the days when it went through gun-barrel straight in similarly dank conditions. Or, we remember James Anderson swinging it on a muggy morning at Lord's against the hapless Indians, and forget that Jason Holder recently swung it probably just as much, recently, on a bright afternoon in Barbados. Time to rename Clouderson back to Anderson? UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
chewy Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 It’s probably the pronouced seam of the Red Duke and seam lasts longer too UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 So what makes ball swing? Switchblade 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 5 hours ago, chewy said: It’s probably the pronouced seam of the Red Duke and seam lasts longer too SG and Duke are very similar Link to comment
asterix Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 So what makes ball swing?If you rock hard... Adi BB and nhcCelry 1 1 Link to comment
gattaca Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, rkt.india said: So what makes ball swing? Pancha Bootha. The only element Indian fast bowlers are missing is fire in their hearts and minds. Edited August 17, 2018 by gattaca UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, gattaca said: Pancha Bootha. The only element Indian fast bowlers are missing is fire in their hearts and minds. why same Anderson does not swing the ball in India. he loses the fire in his heart and minds? Edited August 17, 2018 by rkt.india beetle 1 Link to comment
CG Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 why same Anderson does not swing the ball in India. he loses the fire in his heart and minds?Ball Does Swing In India At Some Venues.Kolkata, Mumbai,Dharmsala. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, CG said: 43 minutes ago, rkt.india said: why same Anderson does not swing the ball in India. he loses the fire in his heart and minds? Ball Does Swing In India At Some Venues.Kolkata, Mumbai,Dharmsala. Mumbai at times does because it is near the sea that to mostly under lights. Never seen that happen in tests. Not much in Dharmshala and Kolkata as well. They only do of the seam. Kolkata swing happens only under lights. Link to comment
speedheat Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I have seen David Willey swinging the ball miles in hot conditions when england last toured here, so I guess swing has more to do with wind and skills of the bowler, clouds might have very little to 0 effect on it. Link to comment
Temujin Khaghan Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) Just because he is a NASA scientist, his word ain't gospel. I would like to hear what Wasim Akram thinks on this topic. Edited August 17, 2018 by Temujin Khaghan Link to comment
Clarke Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Humidity helps, right ? It can be humid in sunny or cloudy conditions Adi BB 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Clarke said: Humidity helps, right ? It can be humid in sunny or cloudy conditions yes it is the humidity that helps swing. Not clouds alone. In England, it is summer and when temp is high and suddenly we have rain and clouds, it creates that environment for ball to swing. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, speedheat said: I have seen David Willey swinging the ball miles in hot conditions when england last toured here, so I guess swing has more to do with wind and skills of the bowler, clouds might have very little to 0 effect on it. why does Anderson not swing in Australia? Does he lose his skills there or Aussies are some great batsman of swing? UrmiSinhaRay and Switchblade 1 1 Link to comment
BlueBee Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Have had this argument here in 2014 Eng tour. Don't think Clouds don't have anything to do with swing. Link to comment
Temujin Khaghan Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, rkt.india said: why does Anderson not swing in Australia? Does he lose his skills there or Aussies are some great batsman of swing? sg and dukes have a prominent seam until the third session begins. kookaburra loses its seam within the first session, its impossible to swing the ball with negligible seam. Edited August 17, 2018 by Temujin Khaghan Link to comment
Temujin Khaghan Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 someone on quora expressed this in a more elaborate manner... https://www.quora.com/Cricket-sport-What-is-the-difference-between-a-kookaburra-a-duke-and-an-S-G-ball Kookaburra Balls have a low seam which generally does after say 20 overs. This makes the Ball Swing more in the First 20 overs assisting the Bowling team and gradually making it suitable for Batsmen to play their Shots. But as the seam is lost, there will be no grip for the spinners. The Dukes Ball have a Good Seam and the seam holds good up to 50-55 Overs if maintained well and swings the Most. It is the most bowler friendly ball assisting seam bowlers. The SG Ball has the most upright and prominent Seam but Swings for only 10 overs in Indian Conditions as one major disadvantage is it loses its shine quickly. But the seam is intact for nearly 80-90 overs making it more susceptible for Reverse Swing after 40-50 overs and also Spinners get appreciable Drift in the air and Grip off the pitch when the ball lands on the Seam. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Temujin Khaghan Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Mad respect for Glenn Mcgrath and Kapil Dev. The former took loads of wickets with a chewtiya ball, the latter in chewtiya pace bowling conditions without bottle caps and reverse swing. UrmiSinhaRay, Adi BB and saik 1 1 1 Link to comment
speedheat Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 58 minutes ago, rkt.india said: why does Anderson not swing in Australia? Does he lose his skills there or Aussies are some great batsman of swing? Kookaburra balls, kookaburra balls offers low seam which only lasts for 20-25 over Anderson also tries to bowl quick there and use seam to its effect. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Temujin Khaghan said: sg and dukes have a prominent seam until the third session begins. kookaburra loses its seam within the first session, its impossible to swing the ball with negligible seam. Anderson does not swing it in India with SG ball. Even in 2012, most of his wickets were with old ball reversing. Same kookaburra ball swings in SA. Edited August 17, 2018 by rkt.india UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
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