Rishabh Pant performance watch thread

[Khota 2,673]

8 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Three successive chances? What does that even mean? Should we drop every youngster who struggles for a few games?

Yes! They can always come back later.

[zen 4,562]

Unfortunately, Rahane's inconsistency in SENA where he is supposed to be our 2nd (if not first as Kohli had a bad record in Eng before this series), put a lot of pressure on youngsters such as Pant and Pandya. Pant kept better than Karthik, while Pandya won as a match with the ball and scored a good 50. Instead of appreciating their good work in their first overseas season, we have to had to unrealistically bank of them to perform like experienced veterans and win games for India .... They could still do that in home conditions but to expect them to do that on consistent basis in SENA in their first season was always going to be difficult .... we should have realistic expectations from our youngsters. Even Tendulkar did not shoulder such burden in his first few series. The seniors and fans at time handled him relatively better  

Edited September 9 by zen

[putrevus 2,404]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

Unfortunately, Rahane's inconsistency in SENA where he is supposed to be our 2nd (if not first as Kohli had a bad record in Eng before this series), put a lot of pressure on youngsters such as Pant and Pandya. Pant kept better than Karthik, while Pandya won as a match with the ball and scored a good 50. Instead of appreciating their good work in their first overseas season, we have to had to unrealistically bank of them to perform like experienced veterans and win games for India .... They could still do that in home conditions but to expect them to do that on consistent basis in SENA in their first season was always going to be difficult .... we should have realistic expectations from our youngsters. Even Tendulkar did not shoulder such burden in his first few series. The seniors and fans at time handled him relatively better  

I agree , if batsmen were doing their jobs Pandya and Pant would have been under less pressure and maybe performed better.

[Frustrated 223]

Poor wicketkeeping by pant.   So many byes conceded.   Saha is a better WK than pant.  No doubt about that.

[zen 4,562]

Just now, Frustrated said:

Poor wicketkeeping by pant.   So many byes conceded.   Saha is a better WK than pant.  No doubt about that.

We have to do with what is available .... it is like pick your poison .... would give first preference to Saha, who is a remarkable keeper 

[prasen82 158]

Did pant keep better than karthik?

[TNAmarkFromIndia 149]

8 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Poor wicketkeeping by pant.   So many byes conceded.   Saha is a better WK than pant.  No doubt about that.

This idiot is equally responsible for India wasting their two reviews in 12 overs. 

[Frustrated 223]

3 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

This idiot is equally responsible for India wasting their two reviews in 12 overs. 

Pant is certainly not ready for international cricket yet.  Can't even get his basics right.   Probably overrated here in ICF.    BTW, Where is Naman Ojha (a promising WK) these days.    Does anyone know ?

[Shunya 2,802]

37 minutes ago, zen said:

Unfortunately, Rahane's inconsistency in SENA where he is supposed to be our 2nd (if not first as Kohli had a bad record in Eng before this series), put a lot of pressure on youngsters such as Pant and Pandya. Pant kept better than Karthik, while Pandya won as a match with the ball and scored a good 50. Instead of appreciating their good work in their first overseas season, we have to had to unrealistically bank of them to perform like experienced veterans and win games for India .... They could still do that in home conditions but to expect them to do that on consistent basis in SENA in their first season was always going to be difficult .... we should have realistic expectations from our youngsters. Even Tendulkar did not shoulder such burden in his first few series. The seniors and fans at time handled him relatively better  

Agreed, the top 5 batsman are to be blamed...but you cannot absolve responsibility of lower order. They get easy conditions to bat, and England's lower order took advantage of these easy conditions in every match which eventually resulted in winning games.

 

Average Combined score from no.6 to 11 is around 50 in first 4 tests... that is just ridiculously bad. Pandya, Pant, Ashwin, DK have failed to score anything, needed better output from that lower order. 6/7/8 position is not suppose to be tail but they end up playing like one. And then 9/10/11 end up being tail of tail. 

 

Vihari and Jaddu showed how to take advantage of old ball after battling it out during tough conditions.

 

Runs by no 6-11 in this series

Test1

1inn - 40 out of 274 - 0,22,10,2,5,1

2inn - 75 out of 162 - 13,20,31,0,11,0

 

Test 2

1inn - 51 out of 107 - 11,1,29,0,10,0

2inn - 61 out of 130 - 26,0,33,0,0,2

 

Test 3

1inn - 60 out of 329 - 18,24,14,1,3,0

2inn - 57 out of 352/7dec - 1,52,3,1,dnb,dnb

 

Test 4

1inn - 25 out of 273 - 0,4,1,0,14,6

2inn - 51 out of 184 - 0,18,25,0,8,0

 

Test 5

1inn - 152 out of 292 - 56,5,86,4,1,0

[Shunya 2,802]

Byes given by India keepers this series - 96

Runs scored by India keepers this series - 67

 

[zen 4,562]

19 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Agreed, the top 5 batsman are to be blamed...but you cannot absolve responsibility of lower order. They get easy conditions to bat, and England's lower order took advantage of these easy conditions in every match which eventually resulted in winning games.

 

Average Combined score from no.6 to 11 is around 50 in first 4 tests... that is just ridiculously bad. Pandya, Pant, Ashwin, DK have failed to score anything, needed better output from that lower order. 6/7/8 position is not suppose to be tail but they end up playing like one. And then 9/10/11 end up being tail of tail. 

 

Vihari and Jaddu showed how to take advantage of old ball after battling it out during tough conditions.

 

Runs by no 6-11 in this series

Test1

1inn - 40 out of 274 - 0,22,10,2,5,1  (influenced by Kohli's 149)

2inn - 75 out of 162 - 13,20,31,0,11,0 (good percentage of runs. 4th inning pressure)

 

Test 2

1inn - 51 out of 107 - 11,1,29,0,10,0 (good percentage of runs. But a forgettable game for Ind)

2inn - 61 out of 130 - 26,0,33,0,0,2 (good percentage of runs. But a forgettable game for Ind)

 

Test 3

1inn - 60 out of 329 - 18,24,14,1,3,0 (Kohli  did well. And Rahane played like he should be playing. Openers contributed a little)

2inn - 57 out of 352/7dec - 1,52,3,1,dnb,dnb (wasn't required to do much here. Pandya hit a 50)

 

Test 4

1inn - 25 out of 273 - 0,4,1,0,14,6 (influenced by Pujara's 130 odd)

2inn - 51 out of 184 - 0,18,25,0,8,0 (could have done better, 4th inning pressure)

 

Test 5

1inn - 152 out of 292 - 56,5,86,4,1,0 (good performance but it is more like we swapped 5&6 positions as Vihari should be batting at 5. Good knock by Jadeja  ) 

Not as bad as I thought. Comments in red above .... We usually do well when openers do well. Not expecting 100s but anything in the 30-70 range.

Edited September 9 by zen

[Shunya 2,802]

11 minutes ago, zen said:

Not as bad as I thought. Comments in red above .... We usually do well when openers do well. Not expecting 100s but anything in the 30-70 range.

Combined average total runs from no.6 to 11 - 50 runs is not bad, Seriously? That is just expecting your no.6/7/8 to be tailenders with almost no output...disappointing

 

I mean its clear the conditions are better to bat with old ball. I will blame 6/7/8 batters as more responsible or equally responsible to top5. 

[zen 4,562]

4 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Combined average total runs from no.6 to 11 - 50 runs is not bad, Seriously? That is just expecting your no.6/7/8 to be tailenders with almost no output...disappointing

 

I mean its clear the conditions are better to bat with old ball. I will blame 6/7/8 batters as more responsible or equally responsible to top5. 

Our lower order is inexperienced though esp. in these conditions.  Only Ashwin (60+ tests) and now Jadeja (30+ tests) have experience .... the tail starts from #9. Realistically, can't expect Shami, Ishant and Bumrah to do much 

Edited September 9 by zen

[Shunya 2,802]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

Our lower order is inexperienced though esp. in these conditions.  Only Ashwin (60+ tests) and now Jadeja (30+ tests) have experience .... the tail starts from #9. Realistically, can't expect Shami, Ishant and Bumrah to do much 

If its a minefield/spinning dustbowls, then its expected that lower order will score less as the pitch deteriorates after few hours of play. But when you are playing in England with overcast conditions, I believe it mostly gets easier when the ball becomes old and hence middle order and lower order has better chance of scoring, which is what England are good at.

[zen 4,562]

PS below is how the 6-8 performed on 2 previous tours:

 

 

2011

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MS Dhoni	4	8	1	220	77	31.42	406	54.18	0	2	1	30	3
A Mishra	2	3	0	69	43	23.00	118	58.47	0	0	0	11	1
SK Raina	3	5	0	92	78	18.40	196	46.93	0	1	2	12	0
Harbhajan Singh	2	4	0	58	46	14.50	71	81.69	0	0	2	10	1

 

 

2014

 

 

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
R Ashwin	2	4	1	106	46*	35.33	124	85.48	0	0	0	10	2
MS Dhoni	5	10	0	349	82	34.90	709	49.22	0	4	1	51	2
STR Binny	3	6	1	118	78	23.60	211	55.92	0	1	1	13	1
RA Jadeja	4	8	0	177	68	22.12	297	59.59	0	1	1	25	2

 

 

 

Current tour:

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	4	8	1	164	52*	23.42	288	56.94	0	1	1	26	1
R Ashwin	4	7	1	125	33*	20.83	176	71.02	0	0	0	19	1
RR Pant	3	5	0	48	24	9.60	106	45.28	0	0	1	5	2
KD Karthik	2	4	0	21	20	5.25	58	36.20	0	0	2	2	0

 

 

[prasen82 158]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

PS below is how the 6-8 performed on 2 previous tours:

 

 

2011

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MS Dhoni	4	8	1	220	77	31.42	406	54.18	0	2	1	30	3
A Mishra	2	3	0	69	43	23.00	118	58.47	0	0	0	11	1
SK Raina	3	5	0	92	78	18.40	196	46.93	0	1	2	12	0
Harbhajan Singh	2	4	0	58	46	14.50	71	81.69	0	0	2	10	1

 

 

2014

 

 

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
R Ashwin	2	4	1	106	46*	35.33	124	85.48	0	0	0	10	2
MS Dhoni	5	10	0	349	82	34.90	709	49.22	0	4	1	51	2
STR Binny	3	6	1	118	78	23.60	211	55.92	0	1	1	13	1
RA Jadeja	4	8	0	177	68	22.12	297	59.59	0	1	1	25	2

 

 

 

Current tour:

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	4	8	1	164	52*	23.42	288	56.94	0	1	1	26	1
R Ashwin	4	7	1	125	33*	20.83	176	71.02	0	0	0	19	1
RR Pant	3	5	0	48	24	9.60	106	45.28	0	0	1	5	2
KD Karthik	2	4	0	21	20	5.25	58	36.20	0	0	2	2	0

 

 

Dhoni  4 50s 2014... shows us how spoilt we were when we had dhoni.

 

No wonder kohli doesn't trust anyone...

[zen 4,562]

Just now, prasen82 said:

Dhoni  4 50s 2014... shows us how spoilt we were when we had dhoni.

 

No wonder kohli doesn't trust anyone...

Don't forget the catches dropped by us as well, which could have made our scores relatively more competitive 

[Shunya 2,802]

14 minutes ago, zen said:

PS below is how the 6-8 performed on 2 previous tours:

 

 

2011

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MS Dhoni	4	8	1	220	77	31.42	406	54.18	0	2	1	30	3
A Mishra	2	3	0	69	43	23.00	118	58.47	0	0	0	11	1
SK Raina	3	5	0	92	78	18.40	196	46.93	0	1	2	12	0
Harbhajan Singh	2	4	0	58	46	14.50	71	81.69	0	0	2	10	1

 

 

2014

 

 

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
R Ashwin	2	4	1	106	46*	35.33	124	85.48	0	0	0	10	2
MS Dhoni	5	10	0	349	82	34.90	709	49.22	0	4	1	51	2
STR Binny	3	6	1	118	78	23.60	211	55.92	0	1	1	13	1
RA Jadeja	4	8	0	177	68	22.12	297	59.59	0	1	1	25	2

 

 

 

Current tour:

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	4	8	1	164	52*	23.42	288	56.94	0	1	1	26	1
R Ashwin	4	7	1	125	33*	20.83	176	71.02	0	0	0	19	1
RR Pant	3	5	0	48	24	9.60	106	45.28	0	0	1	5	2
KD Karthik	2	4	0	21	20	5.25	58	36.20	0	0	2	2	0

 

 

2011 was just horrible overall... ageing side flopped big time...no bowling attack...nothing literally

[Shunya 2,802]

10 minutes ago, zen said:

Don't forget the catches dropped by us as well, which could have made our scores relatively more competitive 

England dropped more catches than us. 

[zen 4,562]

2 minutes ago, Shunya said:

England dropped more catches than us. 

But dropping home team players can potentially be more dangerous .... for e.g. there is a difference b/w dropping Pujara or Pandya in Eng and in Ind, where they could make the other team pay big   

Edited September 9 by zen

[prasen82 158]

2 minutes ago, Shunya said:

England dropped more catches than us. 

Yeah.. if not for Kohlis drop catch by malaney in 1st innings we would have our **** whooped and psychological edge to england 

Edited September 9 by prasen82

[Shunya 2,802]

14 minutes ago, zen said:

But dropping home team players can potentially be more dangerous .... for e.g. there is a difference b/w dropping Pujara or Pandya in Eng and in Ind, where they could make the other team pay big   

Yea...infact Kohli single handedly kept us in game for most part because of that.

[vvvslaxman 6,078]

31 byes in this match so far. Can't blame him completely. Still very high.

[Kothili 193]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

31 byes in this match so far. Can't blame him completely. Still very high.

Pant is indefensibly the worst keeper yet that played for India.

Edited September 9 by Kothili

[MultiB48 1,084]

18 hours ago, Tattieboy said:

He was second top test run scorer in 2016 tour of England which included a ton. My point is not individual tours or innings but  certain players have it to play at test match level mentally and others with more talent don't .

To state that he doesnt have much talent is overplaying his mental fortitude,he is an improved batsman much like shastri or steve smith. Azhar ali is one of the greatest openers pak has ever produced  ,most of the time their openers fail in foreign conditions.

 

Even in that match, pak collapsed in a heap in the final session, all that mental strength couldn't save them that match.It was yasir shah who won pak those matches, that along with younis's 200 are really the difference between ind and pak in eng of late ,ind spinners havent been as effective in eng.

[Tattieboy 613]

7 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

To state that he doesnt have much talent is overplaying his mental fortitude,he is an improved batsman much like shastri or steve smith. Azhar ali is one of the greatest openers pak has ever produced  ,most of the time their openers fail in foreign conditions.

 

Even in that match, pak collapsed in a heap in the final session, all that mental strength couldn't save them that match.It was yasir shah who won pak those matches, that along with younis's 200 are really the difference between ind and pak in eng of late ,ind spinners havent been as effective in eng.

Must have been his 5 years playing in Scotland's division 5 that learnt him how to play on British wickets .

[MultiB48 1,084]

17 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

Must have been his 5 years playing in Scotland's division 5 that learnt him how to play on British wickets .

pak domestic are also different to ind ,since they love pace bowling they try to give more helpful pitches /balls to the pacers,all pak domestic pacers have excellent records.

[Tattieboy 613]

8 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

pak domestic are also different to ind ,since they love pace bowling they try to give more helpful pitches /balls to the pacers,all pak domestic pacers have excellent records.

I don't think you are understanding my admiration for Azhar Ali , he has done fantastically well in International cricket considering he had limited ability compared to many others . He has worked very hard and has mental strength other talented cricketers obviously didn't have . 

As you know your Pakistani openers, here is two more Mudassar Nazar and Shafiq Ahmed. Put in order your 1,2,3 with Azhur of who the best 

[Lala 997]

Can we see Rishabh Pant in test cricket again? 

[MultiB48 1,084]

1 hour ago, Tattieboy said:

I don't think you are understanding my admiration for Azhar Ali , he has done fantastically well in International cricket considering he had limited ability compared to many others . He has worked very hard and has mental strength other talented cricketers obviously didn't have . 

As you know your Pakistani openers, here is two more Mudassar Nazar and Shafiq Ahmed. Put in order your 1,2,3 with Azhur of who the best 

Never saw those guys bat .Whatever little i have seen on yt ,majid khan looked quite good,but then again talent often means how nicely you drive or flick the ball ,a solid consistent defense is not seen in that light.

[Tattieboy 613]

13 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Never saw those guys bat .Whatever little i have seen on yt ,majid khan looked quite good,but then again talent often means how nicely you drive or flick the ball ,a solid consistent defense is not seen in that light.

Experience with all three at age of 21 and the other two had much much more natural ability but Azhar has showed in Test cricket that's not all what you need 

[Mosher 13,467]

Brilliant performance from the lad. 6 to get off the mark in tests and now 6 to get to his maiden century. Hopefully more to come.

[mishra 2,445]

 

Thought thread deserved it.

[rkt.india 9,609]

He needs to improve his balance,  especially when he plays deliveries on the pads, his head goes outside the line of the ball and his flicks goes in the air.  Teams will for sure target him in that area in future by keeping multiple fielders there to take the catch if the shot goes in the air.