Rishabh Pant performance watch thread

[Khota 3,532]

8 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Three successive chances? What does that even mean? Should we drop every youngster who struggles for a few games?

Yes! They can always come back later.

[zen 6,612]

Unfortunately, Rahane's inconsistency in SENA where he is supposed to be our 2nd (if not first as Kohli had a bad record in Eng before this series), put a lot of pressure on youngsters such as Pant and Pandya. Pant kept better than Karthik, while Pandya won as a match with the ball and scored a good 50. Instead of appreciating their good work in their first overseas season, we have to had to unrealistically bank of them to perform like experienced veterans and win games for India .... They could still do that in home conditions but to expect them to do that on consistent basis in SENA in their first season was always going to be difficult .... we should have realistic expectations from our youngsters. Even Tendulkar did not shoulder such burden in his first few series. The seniors and fans at time handled him relatively better  

Edited September 9, 2018 by zen

[putrevus 3,468]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

Unfortunately, Rahane's inconsistency in SENA where he is supposed to be our 2nd (if not first as Kohli had a bad record in Eng before this series), put a lot of pressure on youngsters such as Pant and Pandya. Pant kept better than Karthik, while Pandya won as a match with the ball and scored a good 50. Instead of appreciating their good work in their first overseas season, we have to had to unrealistically bank of them to perform like experienced veterans and win games for India .... They could still do that in home conditions but to expect them to do that on consistent basis in SENA in their first season was always going to be difficult .... we should have realistic expectations from our youngsters. Even Tendulkar did not shoulder such burden in his first few series. The seniors and fans at time handled him relatively better  

I agree , if batsmen were doing their jobs Pandya and Pant would have been under less pressure and maybe performed better.

[Frustrated 477]

Poor wicketkeeping by pant.   So many byes conceded.   Saha is a better WK than pant.  No doubt about that.

[zen 6,612]

Just now, Frustrated said:

Poor wicketkeeping by pant.   So many byes conceded.   Saha is a better WK than pant.  No doubt about that.

We have to do with what is available .... it is like pick your poison .... would give first preference to Saha, who is a remarkable keeper 

[prasen82 388]

Did pant keep better than karthik?

[TNAmarkFromIndia 349]

8 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Poor wicketkeeping by pant.   So many byes conceded.   Saha is a better WK than pant.  No doubt about that.

This idiot is equally responsible for India wasting their two reviews in 12 overs. 

[Frustrated 477]

3 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

This idiot is equally responsible for India wasting their two reviews in 12 overs. 

Pant is certainly not ready for international cricket yet.  Can't even get his basics right.   Probably overrated here in ICF.    BTW, Where is Naman Ojha (a promising WK) these days.    Does anyone know ?

[Shunya 2,972]

37 minutes ago, zen said:

Unfortunately, Rahane's inconsistency in SENA where he is supposed to be our 2nd (if not first as Kohli had a bad record in Eng before this series), put a lot of pressure on youngsters such as Pant and Pandya. Pant kept better than Karthik, while Pandya won as a match with the ball and scored a good 50. Instead of appreciating their good work in their first overseas season, we have to had to unrealistically bank of them to perform like experienced veterans and win games for India .... They could still do that in home conditions but to expect them to do that on consistent basis in SENA in their first season was always going to be difficult .... we should have realistic expectations from our youngsters. Even Tendulkar did not shoulder such burden in his first few series. The seniors and fans at time handled him relatively better  

Agreed, the top 5 batsman are to be blamed...but you cannot absolve responsibility of lower order. They get easy conditions to bat, and England's lower order took advantage of these easy conditions in every match which eventually resulted in winning games.

 

Average Combined score from no.6 to 11 is around 50 in first 4 tests... that is just ridiculously bad. Pandya, Pant, Ashwin, DK have failed to score anything, needed better output from that lower order. 6/7/8 position is not suppose to be tail but they end up playing like one. And then 9/10/11 end up being tail of tail. 

 

Vihari and Jaddu showed how to take advantage of old ball after battling it out during tough conditions.

 

Runs by no 6-11 in this series

Test1

1inn - 40 out of 274 - 0,22,10,2,5,1

2inn - 75 out of 162 - 13,20,31,0,11,0

 

Test 2

1inn - 51 out of 107 - 11,1,29,0,10,0

2inn - 61 out of 130 - 26,0,33,0,0,2

 

Test 3

1inn - 60 out of 329 - 18,24,14,1,3,0

2inn - 57 out of 352/7dec - 1,52,3,1,dnb,dnb

 

Test 4

1inn - 25 out of 273 - 0,4,1,0,14,6

2inn - 51 out of 184 - 0,18,25,0,8,0

 

Test 5

1inn - 152 out of 292 - 56,5,86,4,1,0

[Shunya 2,972]

Byes given by India keepers this series - 96

Runs scored by India keepers this series - 67

 

[zen 6,612]

19 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Agreed, the top 5 batsman are to be blamed...but you cannot absolve responsibility of lower order. They get easy conditions to bat, and England's lower order took advantage of these easy conditions in every match which eventually resulted in winning games.

 

Average Combined score from no.6 to 11 is around 50 in first 4 tests... that is just ridiculously bad. Pandya, Pant, Ashwin, DK have failed to score anything, needed better output from that lower order. 6/7/8 position is not suppose to be tail but they end up playing like one. And then 9/10/11 end up being tail of tail. 

 

Vihari and Jaddu showed how to take advantage of old ball after battling it out during tough conditions.

 

Runs by no 6-11 in this series

Test1

1inn - 40 out of 274 - 0,22,10,2,5,1  (influenced by Kohli's 149)

2inn - 75 out of 162 - 13,20,31,0,11,0 (good percentage of runs. 4th inning pressure)

 

Test 2

1inn - 51 out of 107 - 11,1,29,0,10,0 (good percentage of runs. But a forgettable game for Ind)

2inn - 61 out of 130 - 26,0,33,0,0,2 (good percentage of runs. But a forgettable game for Ind)

 

Test 3

1inn - 60 out of 329 - 18,24,14,1,3,0 (Kohli  did well. And Rahane played like he should be playing. Openers contributed a little)

2inn - 57 out of 352/7dec - 1,52,3,1,dnb,dnb (wasn't required to do much here. Pandya hit a 50)

 

Test 4

1inn - 25 out of 273 - 0,4,1,0,14,6 (influenced by Pujara's 130 odd)

2inn - 51 out of 184 - 0,18,25,0,8,0 (could have done better, 4th inning pressure)

 

Test 5

1inn - 152 out of 292 - 56,5,86,4,1,0 (good performance but it is more like we swapped 5&6 positions as Vihari should be batting at 5. Good knock by Jadeja  ) 

Not as bad as I thought. Comments in red above .... We usually do well when openers do well. Not expecting 100s but anything in the 30-70 range.

Edited September 9, 2018 by zen

[Shunya 2,972]

11 minutes ago, zen said:

Not as bad as I thought. Comments in red above .... We usually do well when openers do well. Not expecting 100s but anything in the 30-70 range.

Combined average total runs from no.6 to 11 - 50 runs is not bad, Seriously? That is just expecting your no.6/7/8 to be tailenders with almost no output...disappointing

 

I mean its clear the conditions are better to bat with old ball. I will blame 6/7/8 batters as more responsible or equally responsible to top5. 

[zen 6,612]

4 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Combined average total runs from no.6 to 11 - 50 runs is not bad, Seriously? That is just expecting your no.6/7/8 to be tailenders with almost no output...disappointing

 

I mean its clear the conditions are better to bat with old ball. I will blame 6/7/8 batters as more responsible or equally responsible to top5. 

Our lower order is inexperienced though esp. in these conditions.  Only Ashwin (60+ tests) and now Jadeja (30+ tests) have experience .... the tail starts from #9. Realistically, can't expect Shami, Ishant and Bumrah to do much 

Edited September 9, 2018 by zen

[Shunya 2,972]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

Our lower order is inexperienced though esp. in these conditions.  Only Ashwin (60+ tests) and now Jadeja (30+ tests) have experience .... the tail starts from #9. Realistically, can't expect Shami, Ishant and Bumrah to do much 

If its a minefield/spinning dustbowls, then its expected that lower order will score less as the pitch deteriorates after few hours of play. But when you are playing in England with overcast conditions, I believe it mostly gets easier when the ball becomes old and hence middle order and lower order has better chance of scoring, which is what England are good at.

[zen 6,612]

PS below is how the 6-8 performed on 2 previous tours:

 

 

2011

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MS Dhoni	4	8	1	220	77	31.42	406	54.18	0	2	1	30	3
A Mishra	2	3	0	69	43	23.00	118	58.47	0	0	0	11	1
SK Raina	3	5	0	92	78	18.40	196	46.93	0	1	2	12	0
Harbhajan Singh	2	4	0	58	46	14.50	71	81.69	0	0	2	10	1

 

 

2014

 

 

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
R Ashwin	2	4	1	106	46*	35.33	124	85.48	0	0	0	10	2
MS Dhoni	5	10	0	349	82	34.90	709	49.22	0	4	1	51	2
STR Binny	3	6	1	118	78	23.60	211	55.92	0	1	1	13	1
RA Jadeja	4	8	0	177	68	22.12	297	59.59	0	1	1	25	2

 

 

 

Current tour:

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	4	8	1	164	52*	23.42	288	56.94	0	1	1	26	1
R Ashwin	4	7	1	125	33*	20.83	176	71.02	0	0	0	19	1
RR Pant	3	5	0	48	24	9.60	106	45.28	0	0	1	5	2
KD Karthik	2	4	0	21	20	5.25	58	36.20	0	0	2	2	0

 

 

[prasen82 388]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

PS below is how the 6-8 performed on 2 previous tours:

 

 

2011

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MS Dhoni	4	8	1	220	77	31.42	406	54.18	0	2	1	30	3
A Mishra	2	3	0	69	43	23.00	118	58.47	0	0	0	11	1
SK Raina	3	5	0	92	78	18.40	196	46.93	0	1	2	12	0
Harbhajan Singh	2	4	0	58	46	14.50	71	81.69	0	0	2	10	1

 

 

2014

 

 

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
R Ashwin	2	4	1	106	46*	35.33	124	85.48	0	0	0	10	2
MS Dhoni	5	10	0	349	82	34.90	709	49.22	0	4	1	51	2
STR Binny	3	6	1	118	78	23.60	211	55.92	0	1	1	13	1
RA Jadeja	4	8	0	177	68	22.12	297	59.59	0	1	1	25	2

 

 

 

Current tour:

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	4	8	1	164	52*	23.42	288	56.94	0	1	1	26	1
R Ashwin	4	7	1	125	33*	20.83	176	71.02	0	0	0	19	1
RR Pant	3	5	0	48	24	9.60	106	45.28	0	0	1	5	2
KD Karthik	2	4	0	21	20	5.25	58	36.20	0	0	2	2	0

 

 

Dhoni  4 50s 2014... shows us how spoilt we were when we had dhoni.

 

No wonder kohli doesn't trust anyone...

[zen 6,612]

Just now, prasen82 said:

Dhoni  4 50s 2014... shows us how spoilt we were when we had dhoni.

 

No wonder kohli doesn't trust anyone...

Don't forget the catches dropped by us as well, which could have made our scores relatively more competitive 

[Shunya 2,972]

14 minutes ago, zen said:

PS below is how the 6-8 performed on 2 previous tours:

 

 

2011

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MS Dhoni	4	8	1	220	77	31.42	406	54.18	0	2	1	30	3
A Mishra	2	3	0	69	43	23.00	118	58.47	0	0	0	11	1
SK Raina	3	5	0	92	78	18.40	196	46.93	0	1	2	12	0
Harbhajan Singh	2	4	0	58	46	14.50	71	81.69	0	0	2	10	1

 

 

2014

 

 

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
R Ashwin	2	4	1	106	46*	35.33	124	85.48	0	0	0	10	2
MS Dhoni	5	10	0	349	82	34.90	709	49.22	0	4	1	51	2
STR Binny	3	6	1	118	78	23.60	211	55.92	0	1	1	13	1
RA Jadeja	4	8	0	177	68	22.12	297	59.59	0	1	1	25	2

 

 

 

Current tour:

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	4	8	1	164	52*	23.42	288	56.94	0	1	1	26	1
R Ashwin	4	7	1	125	33*	20.83	176	71.02	0	0	0	19	1
RR Pant	3	5	0	48	24	9.60	106	45.28	0	0	1	5	2
KD Karthik	2	4	0	21	20	5.25	58	36.20	0	0	2	2	0

 

 

2011 was just horrible overall... ageing side flopped big time...no bowling attack...nothing literally

[Shunya 2,972]

10 minutes ago, zen said:

Don't forget the catches dropped by us as well, which could have made our scores relatively more competitive 

England dropped more catches than us. 

[zen 6,612]

2 minutes ago, Shunya said:

England dropped more catches than us. 

But dropping home team players can potentially be more dangerous .... for e.g. there is a difference b/w dropping Pujara or Pandya in Eng and in Ind, where they could make the other team pay big   

Edited September 9, 2018 by zen

[prasen82 388]

2 minutes ago, Shunya said:

England dropped more catches than us. 

Yeah.. if not for Kohlis drop catch by malaney in 1st innings we would have our **** whooped and psychological edge to england 

Edited September 9, 2018 by prasen82

[Shunya 2,972]

14 minutes ago, zen said:

But dropping home team players can potentially be more dangerous .... for e.g. there is a difference b/w dropping Pujara or Pandya in Eng and in Ind, where they could make the other team pay big   

Yea...infact Kohli single handedly kept us in game for most part because of that.

[vvvslaxman 8,172]

31 byes in this match so far. Can't blame him completely. Still very high.

[Kothili 539]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

31 byes in this match so far. Can't blame him completely. Still very high.

Pant is indefensibly the worst keeper yet that played for India.

Edited September 9, 2018 by Kothili

[MultiB48 1,222]

18 hours ago, Tattieboy said:

He was second top test run scorer in 2016 tour of England which included a ton. My point is not individual tours or innings but  certain players have it to play at test match level mentally and others with more talent don't .

To state that he doesnt have much talent is overplaying his mental fortitude,he is an improved batsman much like shastri or steve smith. Azhar ali is one of the greatest openers pak has ever produced  ,most of the time their openers fail in foreign conditions.

 

Even in that match, pak collapsed in a heap in the final session, all that mental strength couldn't save them that match.It was yasir shah who won pak those matches, that along with younis's 200 are really the difference between ind and pak in eng of late ,ind spinners havent been as effective in eng.

[Tattieboy 679]

7 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

To state that he doesnt have much talent is overplaying his mental fortitude,he is an improved batsman much like shastri or steve smith. Azhar ali is one of the greatest openers pak has ever produced  ,most of the time their openers fail in foreign conditions.

 

Even in that match, pak collapsed in a heap in the final session, all that mental strength couldn't save them that match.It was yasir shah who won pak those matches, that along with younis's 200 are really the difference between ind and pak in eng of late ,ind spinners havent been as effective in eng.

Must have been his 5 years playing in Scotland's division 5 that learnt him how to play on British wickets .

[MultiB48 1,222]

17 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

Must have been his 5 years playing in Scotland's division 5 that learnt him how to play on British wickets .

pak domestic are also different to ind ,since they love pace bowling they try to give more helpful pitches /balls to the pacers,all pak domestic pacers have excellent records.

[Tattieboy 679]

8 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

pak domestic are also different to ind ,since they love pace bowling they try to give more helpful pitches /balls to the pacers,all pak domestic pacers have excellent records.

I don't think you are understanding my admiration for Azhar Ali , he has done fantastically well in International cricket considering he had limited ability compared to many others . He has worked very hard and has mental strength other talented cricketers obviously didn't have . 

As you know your Pakistani openers, here is two more Mudassar Nazar and Shafiq Ahmed. Put in order your 1,2,3 with Azhur of who the best 

[Lala 1,250]

Can we see Rishabh Pant in test cricket again? 

[MultiB48 1,222]

1 hour ago, Tattieboy said:

I don't think you are understanding my admiration for Azhar Ali , he has done fantastically well in International cricket considering he had limited ability compared to many others . He has worked very hard and has mental strength other talented cricketers obviously didn't have . 

As you know your Pakistani openers, here is two more Mudassar Nazar and Shafiq Ahmed. Put in order your 1,2,3 with Azhur of who the best 

Never saw those guys bat .Whatever little i have seen on yt ,majid khan looked quite good,but then again talent often means how nicely you drive or flick the ball ,a solid consistent defense is not seen in that light.

[Tattieboy 679]

13 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Never saw those guys bat .Whatever little i have seen on yt ,majid khan looked quite good,but then again talent often means how nicely you drive or flick the ball ,a solid consistent defense is not seen in that light.

Experience with all three at age of 21 and the other two had much much more natural ability but Azhar has showed in Test cricket that's not all what you need 

[Mosher 15,536]

Brilliant performance from the lad. 6 to get off the mark in tests and now 6 to get to his maiden century. Hopefully more to come.

[mishra 3,737]

 

Thought thread deserved it.

[rkt.india 11,942]

He needs to improve his balance,  especially when he plays deliveries on the pads, his head goes outside the line of the ball and his flicks goes in the air.  Teams will for sure target him in that area in future by keeping multiple fielders there to take the catch if the shot goes in the air. 

[tweaker 7,326]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24899232/virat-kohli-focus-next-lesson-carefree-rishabh-pant?platform=amp

 

Pant swung hard, as he does. Swung against the turn, which was not so good. Got out for 92. Eight more runs and he could have got a second 100.

 

It's a small mistake in light of the position India are in, but it is the kind that can be avoided, as Kohli keeps showing. He's got to 1000 runs for a third year in a row by cutting out silly mistakes. People around the world know his weakness outside the off stump, but to exploit it, the pitch needs to be helpful, the bowler needs to know how to swing the ball, the team needs to show discipline and only after that does the edge come and then it needs to be caught.

[mishra 3,737]

I am preying that Pant has Done Enough in eyes of selectors to be our WK in wc-19.

Edited October 5, 2018 by mishra

[speedheat 7,367]

Back yo back attacking aggressive knocks, damn!! Missed a hundred

 really wanted him to score a ton today as that would have inspire his confidence in times of low.

Edited October 5, 2018 by speedheat

[Number 3,333]

How was his keeping against spinners ?

[SUMO 646]

Even counter attacking 40-50 runs from no. 6/7 is great. Many a times such knocks can win you tests while setting a target in 3rd innings or chasing in 4th, which saha lacked. Dhoni had it but just for subcontinent.

Pant is capable of more than that.

10 Byes a match (due to wk fault of course) are not much of a problem unless he catches everything safely.

[Vilander 7,452]

On 9/10/2018 at 1:27 AM, Tattieboy said:

As you know your Pakistani openers,

You say 'our'

[vvvslaxman 8,172]

12 hours ago, Number said:

How was his keeping against spinners ?

He has technical issues. He dropped two catches today. He has to work really really hard to become a half decent keeper.

[Vilander 7,452]

15 hours ago, tweaker said:

People around the world know his weakness outside the off stump, but to exploit it, the pitch needs to be helpful, the bowler needs to know how to swing the ball, the team needs to show discipline and only after that does the edge come and then it needs to be caught.

Epic statement.  The writer can retire now after writing that he is good enough in terms of job done. 

[Nikhil_cric 1,472]

Dhoni was no great shakes at keeping either when he first came in. He was selected more for his ability to bat and later grew into his role.

[Tattieboy 679]

4 hours ago, Vilander said:

You say 'our'

Actually no I say your  but keep proving you are stupid, don't let me stop you 

[beetle 14,364]

This is the first time he is keeping to world class spinners at home.

He is getting better.

 

[beetle 14,364]

And look.....kuldeep got a fifer without the expert guidance from the  pointer and drs expert.

He must be so relieved he doesn't have to share the credit with dhoni .phew!!!

[Vilander 7,452]

1 hour ago, Tattieboy said:

Actually no I say your  but keep proving you are stupid, don't let me stop you 

Whinge whinge pakistani be open about your national affiliation.

[tweaker 7,326]

1 hour ago, beetle said:

And look.....kuldeep got a fifer without the expert guidance from the  pointer and drs expert.

He must be so relieved he doesn't have to share the credit with dhoni .phew!!!

And he would not be told"bowler change karde" for asking field changes.

[Tattieboy 679]

1 hour ago, Vilander said:

Whinge whinge pakistani be open about your national affiliation.

Did I bat with Pakistani Test openers ? Yes and for that matter I did Indian and Australian Test opener too ,  does that make Indian and Australian too?

Ever heard of the saying ..you are barking up the wrong tree ? ..well you are sitting on hind legs barking and I am sitting in another tree laughing at you 

[tweaker 7,326]

Rishabh Pant 85*

Should gets 100