Rishabh Pant performance watch thread

[zen]

Just now, Frustrated said:

Poor wicketkeeping by pant.   So many byes conceded.   Saha is a better WK than pant.  No doubt about that.

We have to do with what is available .... it is like pick your poison .... would give first preference to Saha, who is a remarkable keeper 

[prasen82]

Did pant keep better than karthik?

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

8 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Poor wicketkeeping by pant.   So many byes conceded.   Saha is a better WK than pant.  No doubt about that.

This idiot is equally responsible for India wasting their two reviews in 12 overs. 

[Frustrated]

3 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

This idiot is equally responsible for India wasting their two reviews in 12 overs. 

Pant is certainly not ready for international cricket yet.  Can't even get his basics right.   Probably overrated here in ICF.    BTW, Where is Naman Ojha (a promising WK) these days.    Does anyone know ?

[Shunya]

37 minutes ago, zen said:

Unfortunately, Rahane's inconsistency in SENA where he is supposed to be our 2nd (if not first as Kohli had a bad record in Eng before this series), put a lot of pressure on youngsters such as Pant and Pandya. Pant kept better than Karthik, while Pandya won as a match with the ball and scored a good 50. Instead of appreciating their good work in their first overseas season, we have to had to unrealistically bank of them to perform like experienced veterans and win games for India .... They could still do that in home conditions but to expect them to do that on consistent basis in SENA in their first season was always going to be difficult .... we should have realistic expectations from our youngsters. Even Tendulkar did not shoulder such burden in his first few series. The seniors and fans at time handled him relatively better  

Agreed, the top 5 batsman are to be blamed...but you cannot absolve responsibility of lower order. They get easy conditions to bat, and England's lower order took advantage of these easy conditions in every match which eventually resulted in winning games.

 

Average Combined score from no.6 to 11 is around 50 in first 4 tests... that is just ridiculously bad. Pandya, Pant, Ashwin, DK have failed to score anything, needed better output from that lower order. 6/7/8 position is not suppose to be tail but they end up playing like one. And then 9/10/11 end up being tail of tail. 

 

Vihari and Jaddu showed how to take advantage of old ball after battling it out during tough conditions.

 

Runs by no 6-11 in this series

Test1

1inn - 40 out of 274 - 0,22,10,2,5,1

2inn - 75 out of 162 - 13,20,31,0,11,0

 

Test 2

1inn - 51 out of 107 - 11,1,29,0,10,0

2inn - 61 out of 130 - 26,0,33,0,0,2

 

Test 3

1inn - 60 out of 329 - 18,24,14,1,3,0

2inn - 57 out of 352/7dec - 1,52,3,1,dnb,dnb

 

Test 4

1inn - 25 out of 273 - 0,4,1,0,14,6

2inn - 51 out of 184 - 0,18,25,0,8,0

 

Test 5

1inn - 152 out of 292 - 56,5,86,4,1,0

[Shunya]

Byes given by India keepers this series - 96

Runs scored by India keepers this series - 67

 

[zen]

19 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Agreed, the top 5 batsman are to be blamed...but you cannot absolve responsibility of lower order. They get easy conditions to bat, and England's lower order took advantage of these easy conditions in every match which eventually resulted in winning games.

 

Average Combined score from no.6 to 11 is around 50 in first 4 tests... that is just ridiculously bad. Pandya, Pant, Ashwin, DK have failed to score anything, needed better output from that lower order. 6/7/8 position is not suppose to be tail but they end up playing like one. And then 9/10/11 end up being tail of tail. 

 

Vihari and Jaddu showed how to take advantage of old ball after battling it out during tough conditions.

 

Runs by no 6-11 in this series

Test1

1inn - 40 out of 274 - 0,22,10,2,5,1  (influenced by Kohli's 149)

2inn - 75 out of 162 - 13,20,31,0,11,0 (good percentage of runs. 4th inning pressure)

 

Test 2

1inn - 51 out of 107 - 11,1,29,0,10,0 (good percentage of runs. But a forgettable game for Ind)

2inn - 61 out of 130 - 26,0,33,0,0,2 (good percentage of runs. But a forgettable game for Ind)

 

Test 3

1inn - 60 out of 329 - 18,24,14,1,3,0 (Kohli  did well. And Rahane played like he should be playing. Openers contributed a little)

2inn - 57 out of 352/7dec - 1,52,3,1,dnb,dnb (wasn't required to do much here. Pandya hit a 50)

 

Test 4

1inn - 25 out of 273 - 0,4,1,0,14,6 (influenced by Pujara's 130 odd)

2inn - 51 out of 184 - 0,18,25,0,8,0 (could have done better, 4th inning pressure)

 

Test 5

1inn - 152 out of 292 - 56,5,86,4,1,0 (good performance but it is more like we swapped 5&6 positions as Vihari should be batting at 5. Good knock by Jadeja  ) 

Not as bad as I thought. Comments in red above .... We usually do well when openers do well. Not expecting 100s but anything in the 30-70 range.

Edited September 9, 2018 by zen

[Shunya]

11 minutes ago, zen said:

Not as bad as I thought. Comments in red above .... We usually do well when openers do well. Not expecting 100s but anything in the 30-70 range.

Combined average total runs from no.6 to 11 - 50 runs is not bad, Seriously? That is just expecting your no.6/7/8 to be tailenders with almost no output...disappointing

 

I mean its clear the conditions are better to bat with old ball. I will blame 6/7/8 batters as more responsible or equally responsible to top5. 

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Combined average total runs from no.6 to 11 - 50 runs is not bad, Seriously? That is just expecting your no.6/7/8 to be tailenders with almost no output...disappointing

 

I mean its clear the conditions are better to bat with old ball. I will blame 6/7/8 batters as more responsible or equally responsible to top5. 

Our lower order is inexperienced though esp. in these conditions.  Only Ashwin (60+ tests) and now Jadeja (30+ tests) have experience .... the tail starts from #9. Realistically, can't expect Shami, Ishant and Bumrah to do much 

Edited September 9, 2018 by zen

[Shunya]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

Our lower order is inexperienced though esp. in these conditions.  Only Ashwin (60+ tests) and now Jadeja (30+ tests) have experience .... the tail starts from #9. Realistically, can't expect Shami, Ishant and Bumrah to do much 

If its a minefield/spinning dustbowls, then its expected that lower order will score less as the pitch deteriorates after few hours of play. But when you are playing in England with overcast conditions, I believe it mostly gets easier when the ball becomes old and hence middle order and lower order has better chance of scoring, which is what England are good at.

[zen]

PS below is how the 6-8 performed on 2 previous tours:

 

 

2011

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MS Dhoni	4	8	1	220	77	31.42	406	54.18	0	2	1	30	3
A Mishra	2	3	0	69	43	23.00	118	58.47	0	0	0	11	1
SK Raina	3	5	0	92	78	18.40	196	46.93	0	1	2	12	0
Harbhajan Singh	2	4	0	58	46	14.50	71	81.69	0	0	2	10	1

 

 

2014

 

 

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
R Ashwin	2	4	1	106	46*	35.33	124	85.48	0	0	0	10	2
MS Dhoni	5	10	0	349	82	34.90	709	49.22	0	4	1	51	2
STR Binny	3	6	1	118	78	23.60	211	55.92	0	1	1	13	1
RA Jadeja	4	8	0	177	68	22.12	297	59.59	0	1	1	25	2

 

 

 

Current tour:

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	4	8	1	164	52*	23.42	288	56.94	0	1	1	26	1
R Ashwin	4	7	1	125	33*	20.83	176	71.02	0	0	0	19	1
RR Pant	3	5	0	48	24	9.60	106	45.28	0	0	1	5	2
KD Karthik	2	4	0	21	20	5.25	58	36.20	0	0	2	2	0

 

 

[prasen82]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

PS below is how the 6-8 performed on 2 previous tours:

 

 

2011

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MS Dhoni	4	8	1	220	77	31.42	406	54.18	0	2	1	30	3
A Mishra	2	3	0	69	43	23.00	118	58.47	0	0	0	11	1
SK Raina	3	5	0	92	78	18.40	196	46.93	0	1	2	12	0
Harbhajan Singh	2	4	0	58	46	14.50	71	81.69	0	0	2	10	1

 

 

2014

 

 

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
R Ashwin	2	4	1	106	46*	35.33	124	85.48	0	0	0	10	2
MS Dhoni	5	10	0	349	82	34.90	709	49.22	0	4	1	51	2
STR Binny	3	6	1	118	78	23.60	211	55.92	0	1	1	13	1
RA Jadeja	4	8	0	177	68	22.12	297	59.59	0	1	1	25	2

 

 

 

Current tour:

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	4	8	1	164	52*	23.42	288	56.94	0	1	1	26	1
R Ashwin	4	7	1	125	33*	20.83	176	71.02	0	0	0	19	1
RR Pant	3	5	0	48	24	9.60	106	45.28	0	0	1	5	2
KD Karthik	2	4	0	21	20	5.25	58	36.20	0	0	2	2	0

 

 

Dhoni  4 50s 2014... shows us how spoilt we were when we had dhoni.

 

No wonder kohli doesn't trust anyone...

[zen]

Just now, prasen82 said:

Dhoni  4 50s 2014... shows us how spoilt we were when we had dhoni.

 

No wonder kohli doesn't trust anyone...

Don't forget the catches dropped by us as well, which could have made our scores relatively more competitive 

[Shunya]

14 minutes ago, zen said:

PS below is how the 6-8 performed on 2 previous tours:

 

 

2011

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MS Dhoni	4	8	1	220	77	31.42	406	54.18	0	2	1	30	3
A Mishra	2	3	0	69	43	23.00	118	58.47	0	0	0	11	1
SK Raina	3	5	0	92	78	18.40	196	46.93	0	1	2	12	0
Harbhajan Singh	2	4	0	58	46	14.50	71	81.69	0	0	2	10	1

 

 

2014

 

 

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
R Ashwin	2	4	1	106	46*	35.33	124	85.48	0	0	0	10	2
MS Dhoni	5	10	0	349	82	34.90	709	49.22	0	4	1	51	2
STR Binny	3	6	1	118	78	23.60	211	55.92	0	1	1	13	1
RA Jadeja	4	8	0	177	68	22.12	297	59.59	0	1	1	25	2

 

 

 

Current tour:

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	4	8	1	164	52*	23.42	288	56.94	0	1	1	26	1
R Ashwin	4	7	1	125	33*	20.83	176	71.02	0	0	0	19	1
RR Pant	3	5	0	48	24	9.60	106	45.28	0	0	1	5	2
KD Karthik	2	4	0	21	20	5.25	58	36.20	0	0	2	2	0

 

 

2011 was just horrible overall... ageing side flopped big time...no bowling attack...nothing literally

[Shunya]

10 minutes ago, zen said:

Don't forget the catches dropped by us as well, which could have made our scores relatively more competitive 

England dropped more catches than us. 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Shunya said:

England dropped more catches than us. 

But dropping home team players can potentially be more dangerous .... for e.g. there is a difference b/w dropping Pujara or Pandya in Eng and in Ind, where they could make the other team pay big   

Edited September 9, 2018 by zen

[prasen82]

2 minutes ago, Shunya said:

England dropped more catches than us. 

Yeah.. if not for Kohlis drop catch by malaney in 1st innings we would have our **** whooped and psychological edge to england 

Edited September 9, 2018 by prasen82

[Shunya]

14 minutes ago, zen said:

But dropping home team players can potentially be more dangerous .... for e.g. there is a difference b/w dropping Pujara or Pandya in Eng and in Ind, where they could make the other team pay big   

Yea...infact Kohli single handedly kept us in game for most part because of that.

[vvvslaxman]

31 byes in this match so far. Can't blame him completely. Still very high.

[Kothili]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

31 byes in this match so far. Can't blame him completely. Still very high.

Pant is indefensibly the worst keeper yet that played for India.

Edited September 9, 2018 by Kothili