lamellavig Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, express bowling said: 1. Every team needs atleast 1 pacer who will provide genuine pace and bounce ... Bumrah is that bowler for us ( Shami too has genuine pace and bounce but his fitness may force him to use it only in the 2nd innings. ) 2. The English don't like genuine pace and bounce, even on slow surfaces ... we saw that in India. 3. No reason to assume that Holding has our best interest at heart. 4. I want to play 4 quicks + Ashwin in England ... Bumrah, Bhuvi, Shami, Saini, Ashwin. 5. I will replace Ishant with Saini ... he swings the ball , is quicker and skiddier than Ishant and is as accurate. He can bowl long spells too. 6. Bhuvi, Saini and Shami will be our 3 swing bowlers and Bumrah the enforcer. 7. I have seen Bumrah get outswing in FC when the conditions are conducive. The ball seams in England too. 8. Bumrah's intensity is much more than any of our other pacers. 9. Holding and most WI quicks were hit the deck bowlers ( Marshall was the only true swing bowler ) How did they succeed in England ? Why is Holding forgetting it ? Holding can see that Bumrah has potential of next great pace bowler, he doesn't want India to have great pace bowler that is why. Look at Bumrah's bowling averages, all below 25 in every format. Link to comment
sandeep Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 29 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Moeen did but indian spinners didn't Because the rest of the bowlers didn't create enough pressure to force the batsmen to take risks against our spinners. Link to comment
sandeep Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 28 minutes ago, express bowling said: 1. Every team needs atleast 1 pacer who will provide genuine pace and bounce ... Bumrah is that bowler for us ( Shami too has genuine pace and bounce but his fitness may force him to use it only in the 2nd innings. ) 2. The English don't like genuine pace and bounce, even on slow surfaces ... we saw that in India. +1. express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, lamellavig said: Holding can see that Bumrah has potential of next great pace bowler, he doesn't want India to have great pace bowler that is why. Look at Bumrah's bowling averages, all below 25 in every format. Rabada and Morkel are hit-the-deck bowlers too ... did not see Holding asking for their exclusion in England ! And Morkel took 19 wickets from 4 tests and Rabada 16 from 3 tests. Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 We should definitely look beyond Ashwin in Eng. Unless we have scoreboard pressure, Ashwin cant get wickets. Kuldeep may be, a wristy one is an option. LORD_analyst and cowboysfan 2 Link to comment
ThePhenomenal1 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 5 hours ago, vayuu1 said: I think saini can be an excellent bowler in English conditions, swings it and bowls at very good pace also he looks to bowl fuller, most importantly he is a skiddy bowler so can be a very good asset for us in England . Sent from my vivo 1601 using Tapatalk Yeah bhuvi, saini, shami, bumrah and either ashwin or pandya express bowling 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Saini is ready to play for India ,if any bowler apart from Bhuvaneshvar who can take the ball it is to be Saini,if we play him we will have the best bowling attack in the planet,i wud like to add Kuldeep Yadav into this lineup ThePhenomenal1 1 Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 he actually makes a good point but who is going to replace him? Saini? you have to pick a rookie over Bumrah who has delivered for you in a 3 match series.I would pick him in the 1st test and see if he can swing the Duke ball and go from there. Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 hour ago, express bowling said: 1. Every team needs atleast 1 pacer who will provide genuine pace and bounce ... Bumrah is that bowler for us ( Shami too has genuine pace and bounce but his fitness may force him to use it only in the 2nd innings. ) 2. The English don't like genuine pace and bounce, even on slow surfaces ... we saw that in India. 3. No reason to assume that Holding has our best interest at heart. 4. I want to play 4 quicks + Ashwin in England ... Bumrah, Bhuvi, Shami, Saini, Ashwin. 5. I will replace Ishant with Saini ... he swings the ball , is quicker and skiddier than Ishant and is as accurate. He can bowl long spells too. 6. Bhuvi, Saini and Shami will be our 3 swing bowlers and Bumrah the enforcer ( Shami too in 2nd innings ). 7. I have seen Bumrah get outswing in FC when the conditions are conducive. The ball seams in England too. 8. Bumrah's intensity is much more than any of our other pacers. 9. Holding and most WI quicks were hit the deck bowlers ( Marshall was the only true swing bowler ) How did they succeed in England ? Why is Holding forgetting it ? I have not seen Saini but if he can swing the ball then he should replace Ishant.Its time we move away from him. express bowling 1 Link to comment
AmreekanDesi Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Dunno about England but i wouldnt even take him to Aus Link to comment
lamellavig Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, AmreekanDesi said: Dunno about England but i wouldnt even take him to Aus why? What does Bumrah need to improve in his record? Have you checked his stats on cricinfo Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, AmreekanDesi said: Dunno about England but i wouldnt even take him to Aus Obviously ! You should take your wife or girlfriend instead. saik, The Dark Horse, Suhaan and 4 others 7 Link to comment
goose Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 4 hours ago, shortbread said: Grooming at what expense tho? I like Pandya and it's very rare to find an all-rounder who can bowl medium and bat, especially in the Indian context. But can he be carried when touring? It's ok in home conditions, in the A side or when the series is won and he plays in the dead rubber. He will play a shot across the line whether it's aggression or lack of patience I do not know! But it will not take long for him to attempt the shot. Then comes the question, how useful is his bowling? There are plenty of young prospective players that India would like to groom, but not when touring England. Every player has to contribute something, whether its a 30 odd with the bat or a few wickets. He's been a bit of victim of his own success after that swashbuckling 93. Will have to reign it in for a few overs before attacking. He needs to average 35 with bat, grab the odd key wicket, be the best fielder and be al round talisman. kruiser 1 Link to comment
goose Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 5 hours ago, goose said: Equally I think Ishant is getting wickets because the other are so much better that batsmen have to go after him. @sandeep he combined with the keeper/slip cordon just ONCE in the series Link to comment
ThePhenomenal1 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 5 hours ago, express bowling said: 1. Every team needs atleast 1 pacer who will provide genuine pace and bounce ... Bumrah is that bowler for us ( Shami too has genuine pace and bounce but his fitness may force him to use it only in the 2nd innings. ) 2. The English don't like genuine pace and bounce, even on slow surfaces ... we saw that in India. 3. No reason to assume that Holding has our best interest at heart. 4. I want to play 4 quicks + Ashwin in England ... Bumrah, Bhuvi, Shami, Saini, Ashwin. 5. I will replace Ishant with Saini ... he swings the ball , is quicker and skiddier than Ishant and is as accurate. He can bowl long spells too. 6. Bhuvi, Saini and Shami will be our 3 swing bowlers and Bumrah the enforcer ( Shami too in 2nd innings ). 7. I have seen Bumrah get outswing in FC when the conditions are conducive. The ball seams in England too. 8. Bumrah's intensity is much more than any of our other pacers. 9. Holding and most WI quicks were hit the deck bowlers ( Marshall was the only true swing bowler ) How did they succeed in England ? Why is Holding forgetting it ? 100% spot on. BBSS attack is crucial, 2 new ball bowlers (bhuvi and saini), bumrah hits the deck and can go hard at the batsmen and shami has all the qualities and can bowl well with the old ball. All have pace, all have wicket taking ability. Then its either a spinner or pandya. But we must play a pace quartet. Meanwhile get pujara to focus on legspin and batting. express bowling and rkt.india 2 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 8 hours ago, Suhaan said: Saini is ready to play for India ,if any bowler apart from Bhuvaneshvar who can take the ball it is to be Saini,if we play him we will have the best bowling attack in the planet,i wud like to add Kuldeep Yadav into this lineup I'm not taking out Bumrah either,attack should comprise Bhuvaneshvar,Bumrah,Shami ,Saini,Ishant/Kuldeep,Pandya could be the burden sharing bowler plus his andhi ghodi batting may come anytime to give us a surprise win out of nowhere,but having this attack will simply make sure we win in England.... Link to comment
Vk1 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I would like Saini and Deepak Chahar for English pitches. Team should be brave enough to drop any of Shami Ishant Bumrah if needed. Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 15 hours ago, Jamadagni said: How many catches were dropped off his bowling in the second innings? NONE. Being WICKETLESS on that pitch was disgraceful. Someone like Yasir Shah or Hearth would have taken a fifer in the second innings. Maharaj didn't lead their bowling attack, neither did Faf use him much whereas Ashwin was the leader of our attack on that pitch. Did you even watch the match? Faf was dropped when he was on single digit score by Rahul, went on to score a 50 and add 100+ runs. I have seen enough of Herath in the last 2 years to see what he can or can't do. Link to comment
SUMO Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Bumrah can swing the ball as well couple with his awkward bounce and pace could be lethal. Remember his inswinging delivery to gayle in the t20 wc semi final. Link to comment
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