Bumrah needs to be rested in LOIs vs weaker teams. Who are the potential replacements according to you ?

[express bowling]

Bumrah is a rare gem.  A thinking fast bowler with genuine pace, bounce, accuracy, stamina, seam movement and other skills.  He knows which balls to bowl when and thinks about the playing conditions and batsmen's weaknesses. And has shown the promise to run through sides in tests.

 

We need to preserve him and see to it that he is not overworked. For this, he needs rest against the weaker teams in bilateral  LOI series.  Many knowledgeable ICFers have been saying the same.

 

I am in favour of playing him in most tests. Test match stats and success is what makes cricketers great.  It would unfair to him to prevent him from getting wickets against the weaker teams.

 

Bhuvi needs rest too as he is carrying a back stress and plays all 3 formats. He is priceless to us in T20Is and overseas tests.  His ODI performances are subpar and I am in favour of resting him in this format.

 

We need 2 new LOI pacers.  Umesh is too inconsistent, Shami too unfit to play 2 formats, Kaul and Unadkat are subpar trundlers.

 

My picks are ...

Khaleel, Siraj, Prasidh and Rajpoot for ODIs  

Khaleel, Chahar, Prasidh for T20Is.

 

Who are your picks  ?

Edited August 22, 2018 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

Not only bumrah

Workload of bhuvi, kohli , pandya also needs to managed , in case of pandya it wud be tricky coz he will only get better by playing more 

[Ankit_sharma03]

bumrah can also be rested from Home Test series rather LOI at home , coz umesh n shami have been really good in home test series

[prudent_kreeda]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

bumrah can also be rested from Home Test series rather LOI at home , coz umesh n shami have been really good in home test series

    I think the best way to manage is ..

    No T20 for Bhumra & Bhuvi  till December .

    No 50 overs for Bhuvi  till  December .

   only 40% of the matches of 50 overs for Bhumra , he should play 2nd half of one day series in that period for series decider

   matches. 

   Only AUS tour should be the one  where we should consider both of them.

   There is nothing you want to know about them , so give some matches just to be in match fitness.

   In the mean time give younsters chance and find out atleast 2 pacers who can be stand by for WC in case of injuries. 

[zen]

Key players should play tests vs SENA teams and in ICC events .... vs other teams, they should be rotated to manage workload

 

Bowlers should usually be picked based on current form so it would be interesting to see how the Ind A games turn out .... Along with those playing for Ind A, I want to see how Nathu Singh is progressing 

Edited August 22, 2018 by zen

[Samcric]

I don't think we have any good ODI/T20I bowlers right now especially ones who can bowl Yorkers and slower balls at the death. Siraj, Rajpoot, Avesh were poor in IPL. Mavi is still WIP. havent seen enough of Khaleel in live matches to comment. Kaul and Umesh are actually the best options after BnB. This is actually depressing. If Pandya can learn bowling some Yorkers to go with his slower ones, it would help. 

[express bowling]

39 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

    I think the best way to manage is ..

    No T20 for Bhumra & Bhuvi  till December .

    No 50 overs for Bhuvi  till  December .

   only 40% of the matches of 50 overs for Bhumra , he should play 2nd half of one day series in that period for series decider

   matches. 

   Only AUS tour should be the one  where we should consider both of them.

   There is nothing you want to know about them , so give some matches just to be in match fitness.

   In the mean time give younsters chance and find out atleast 2 pacers who can be stand by for WC in case of injuries. 

 

Agree

[express bowling]

12 minutes ago, Bilal78 said:

no offence but guys like Kaul and Thakur are not good bowlers,

 

True

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

bumrah can also be rested from Home Test series 

 

Test matches are important for reputation building of top cricketers.

 

And home tests are bread and butter for most players.

 

If we want Bumrah to be a top 5 pacer in the world in test matches (  and that is important for making us a feared opponent ) ... then Bumrah must play home tests too.  And rest in LOIs vs weaker teams.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Test matches are important for reputation building of top cricketers.

 

And home tests are bread and butter for most players.

But in our home conditions its spinner who take the most wkts

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

If we want Bumrah to be a top 5 pacer in the world in test matches (  and that is important for making us a feared opponent ) ... then Bumrah must play home tests too.  And rest in LOIs vs weaker teams.

N him playing Odi at home is more imp coz in ODI he is irreplacable 

Home test - shami, umesh has done well and if they are unavl for an important series we can have bumrah

 

To be honest ill want him to play asia cup rather then WI test series at home 

[Ankit_sharma03]

22 minutes ago, Bilal78 said:

 

The more Pandya plays the better he will get, don’t rest him.

agreed but , his workload also needs to be handled he does 3 jobs in all formats

SO a series or two in between he needs to be rested every now n then

[saik]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

Rajpoot for ODIs  

Is Rajpoot good in ODIs?

I thought he was good only for test matches

The selectors mainly pick him for 4 day matches in India A series.

[express bowling]

7 minutes ago, saik said:

Is Rajpoot good in ODIs?

I thought he was good only for test matches

The selectors mainly pick him for 4 day matches in India A series.

 

He is a very economical bowler who can pick wickets upfront.

 

Tall and accurate bowlers are not easy to get away and he has a low ER in List A.

[express bowling]

23 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

But in our home conditions its spinner who take the most wkts

 

In the last 2 years at home, we have played a lot of tests on flat tracks and a few on green tracks even.  Pacers have played a big part.

[express bowling]

On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 12:34 AM, Bilal78 said:

 

, the problem with T20s is that even good balls can go, as cricket fans these days we just look at a scorecard and if it reads 0/41 after four overs then we say this guy is rubbish, if he’s bowling quick and is bowling two good balls in an over than the guy has potential,

That is true.  T20s often tend to show the test match type young pacers in bad light as they don't have the variations needed to stem the flow of runs.  

 

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What you must remember is guys like Nagarkoti, Mavi and Avesh are not bulky, these guys are express pace as teenagers and for Avesh he is still 21, the only thing now Is that they should be bowling lots, the more you bowl the more you will improve.

 

 

Khaleel Ahmed is another very quick bowler aged only 20. Plus he is a tall left armer.

 

Khaleel is already playing for India-A in 50 over games.  And doing really well.

 

Mavi has been chosen for India-A for a 50 over quadrangular trophy featuring India-A,  India-B, Australia-A and South Africa A.

 

Nagarkoti injured himself just before the IPL.  This was unfortunate. But he is in the selectors' radar.

 

Avesh Khan is the tallest and bounciest of the lot ... and as quick as the other 3.  But he is the one who is languishing in terms of progress.

Edited August 24, 2018 by express bowling

[express bowling]

47 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

To be honest ill want him to play asia cup rather then WI test series at home 

 

Bumrah has had a long rest from around 20 th May to 17 th August, with just 2 T20Is in between. He was rested for the Nidhahas Trophy before the IPL too.

 

Asia Cup features Pakistan, so Bumrah should play.  

6 tests and a few ODIs after a long break is ok for a young man.

 

I am talking about the medium term plan of resting Bumrah in bilateral LOIs against weaker teams like SL, WI, Bangladesh etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 22, 2018 by express bowling

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, Bilal78 said:

 

Best of luck to them, Indian cricket needs to produce pacers and they have started doing it.

 

Our test match team has become very difficult to break into for young pacers.  Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi get first preference based on their top performances.  Ishant was bad ... but seems to have rediscovered himself after a county stint. Then there is Pandya bowling quick too and starting to pick wickets.  

 

All this has led to a top prospect like Siraj ... who can bowl accurately at good pace and is in top form ... being left out.  Rajpoot and Saini are 2 other good quick bowlers waiting for a test callup.

 

But ... our LOI scenario is totally different.  ODIs just have 1 good pacer in Bumrah and T20Is have 2 good pacers in Bumrah and Bhuvi.   The chosen backups like Kaul and Shardul, are very mediocre.  It is here that we need Khalil, Siraj, Prasidh, Mavi etc.

[chewy]

Siraj needs to play ODIs not T20s

Prasidh was impressive in IPL, Chahar would have been handy in England 

 

Also worth fast tracking Mavi and Nagarkoti, shown enough promise and not worth letting them languish in Ranji for too long

Both excellent fielders and can hold the bat

 

but still missing that back of length tall quick, e.g Morkel type

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, chewy said:

Siraj needs to play ODIs not T20s

Agree

 

2 minutes ago, chewy said:

 

but still missing that back of length tall quick, e.g Morkel type

 

Khaleel is such a type of bowler.

[chewy]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Agree

 

 

Khaleel is such a type of bowler.

What about Mavi, this guy should be in first team and get the odd ODI or Test game

Only 19, well built and bowling 90mph effortlessly , give him exposure to International cricket now, and by 21-22 he will probably have good experience, just the way India managed Bumrah

 

I feel some of these out and out quicks, need to play them young, because of short shelf life...it’s abit harsh buts that’s the way it is in cricket