4th test: Batting 1st advantage

[figo6762]

 

First wicket from Hampshire vs Nottinghamshire @ Ages Bowl last week ... Looks typical English wicket...  Something similar for the test probably as well. 

[Nikhil_cric]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Ages Bowl is the fastest and bounciest pitch in England.

If there is green on the pitch and we win the toss then we should bowl first. Our best hope is to blast England away cheaply .

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, figo6762 said:

 

First wicket from Hampshire vs Nottinghamshire @ Ages Bowl last week ... Looks typical English wicket...  Something similar for the test probably as well. 

 

The fastest and bounciest pitch, which is otherwise on the flatter side, may help us.

 

Our batters are good at handling pace and bounce these days and bad at handling movement.

 

Our pacers are quicker than England and may perform better on pitches which do not aid much seam movement, provided there is no unusual swing.

[express bowling]

I am in favour of playing with the same team and batting first if  we win the toss. 

[rkt.india]

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scorecard/19437/ham-vs-notts-county-div-1-county-championship-division-one-2018

 

this was the last game played.  Fidel Edwards taking 6/50 in the first innings, Kyle Abbott 4-fer in second innings and Dale Steyn wicketless.

[Samcric]

32 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Ages Bowl is the fastest and bounciest pitch in England.

Source?

 

As per below article, it seems it is conducive to batting and seems like a "bat first" pitch. England piled on 550+ in 2014 3rd test batting first and we could not save the test even though we scored 330 in the 1st innings. 

 

Even the below article mentions: But the Rose Bowl, where England will attempt to wrap up the series next Thursday, should offer low bounce, a quick outfield and a first-innings average of 40 runs per wicket and 3.8 per over in first-class cricket this season. If the sun shines, then the batsmen have an opportunity, for the first time in the series, to get on top

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/england-india-third-test-joe-root-alastair-cook-bat-a8503356.html

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

Spot on brainfade from the team management and Kaptaan.They have complicated the matters by sending him home.

I think they gambled in T2 because they were desperate to win at Lords.  They hoped that the toss and weather would go in their favor.  Silly decision, especially considering the forecast and nature of the track - info that was right in front of them.  

[figo6762]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scorecard/19437/ham-vs-notts-county-div-1-county-championship-division-one-2018

 

this was the last game played.  Fidel Edwards taking 6/50 in the first innings, Kyle Abbott 4-fer in second innings and Dale Steyn

Yeah and Hampshire scored 399/7 against nothing Bowling lineup.... .

So this tells nothing... My suspicion, typical english wicket, bit of everything... Can't see a pacy wicket in england... 

Definitely will spin on Day 4 & Day 5... So batting first helps... But even if you bat first, bowl em out and score big.... 

So Toss doesn't matter. Day 2-3 will be probably be best days to bat anyway... 

[shortbread]

The ODIs have 300+ scores here. SL scored 300+ in both innings of the test they drew against England. 

 

The test Indian lost to England, the hosts batted first piling on 500+, India following with 300+ and then finally being bowled out in their second innings. Definitely a bat first ground.

[putrevus]

4 hours ago, sandeep said:

I think they gambled in T2 because they were desperate to win at Lords.  They hoped that the toss and weather would go in their favor.  Silly decision, especially considering the forecast and nature of the track - info that was right in front of them.  

Yadav leaking runs and Bumrah not being fit also played a role I think.

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, figo6762 said:

Yeah and Hampshire scored 399/7 against nothing Bowling lineup.... .

So this tells nothing... My suspicion, typical english wicket, bit of everything... Can't see a pacy wicket in england... 

Definitely will spin on Day 4 & Day 5... So batting first helps... But even if you bat first, bowl em out and score big.... 

So Toss doesn't matter. Day 2-3 will be probably be best days to bat anyway... 

it tells you need pace on this wicket.

[rkt.india]

10 hours ago, Samcric said:

Source?

 

As per below article, it seems it is conducive to batting and seems like a "bat first" pitch. England piled on 550+ in 2014 3rd test batting first and we could not save the test even though we scored 330 in the 1st innings. 

 

Even the below article mentions: But the Rose Bowl, where England will attempt to wrap up the series next Thursday, should offer low bounce, a quick outfield and a first-innings average of 40 runs per wicket and 3.8 per over in first-class cricket this season. If the sun shines, then the batsmen have an opportunity, for the first time in the series, to get on top

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/england-india-third-test-joe-root-alastair-cook-bat-a8503356.html

Every English commentator was mentioning Ageas Bowl is a fast pitch and it has been one of the fastest in England.  Even 2014,  it was fast and bouncy.  Yes, we had bowled very badly in that game.  that was not a 550 pitch. Also, it does offer slightly less lateral movement than other venues we have played.  

[rkt.india]

 

Edited August 24, 2018 by rkt.india

[Lannister]

15 hours ago, putrevus said:

If it is a road Kuldeep would have been very handy, don't know why they had to send him back. Very very strange calls being made by selectors and also team management. How can anyone fault Kuldeep for not performing on that Lord's pitch.

 

Who is making these calls, youngsters need to be backed can't be throwing them out the squad after one bad game.

He was bad in that second test offering full tosses and letting batsmen score over 5 rpo. What he need is more experience with the red ball and we shouldn't risk playing him in such an important series. 

[Lannister]

I would love to see Jadeja get a chance ahead of Ashwin for the fourth test. Let Ashwin sit this one out and rest a bit. 

[shortbread]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

 

 

That is such a deceptive statement. I remember that game, India was one up in the series and very similar to now were on the back of an Indian victory heading into the new game. The English batsman failed at Lords and ECB had a road prepared at the Ageas!

 

Ishant was injured after his Lords success, Bhuvi bowled well but was over bowled by Dhoni as the captain had nowhere to turn to plus, went in with just 4 bowlers. Shami was initially erratic and Pankaj Singh was like a luckless bowling machine going at nearly 4 an over, bowled 37 overs without a single wicket. Jadeja did a holding job but got 2 wickets of 45 overs. The other 3 was during the second innings and England was looking to attack.

 

England won the toss, chose to bat and their top 4 batsmen alone scored almost 450 runs! It was Jos Buttler's debut and he scored a quick 80 as well. India was on the field for 2 days, bowled 160+ overs and England's first innings was declared at 569/7!

 

The present pace attack is much better but it will be advantage batsmen.

 

 

[diehardpacer]

Win the toss & Bat First if there is no chance of rain of 1st day.I would consider Umesh in place of Shami.It's a 50-50 call between these two. If Ashwin is unfit,bring Jadeja. Don't mess with the batting order for this test.

[Forever Indian]

5 hours ago, shortbread said:

That is such a deceptive statement. I remember that game, India was one up in the series and very similar to now were on the back of an Indian victory heading into the new game. The English batsman failed at Lords and ECB had a road prepared at the Ageas!

 

Ishant was injured after his Lords success, Bhuvi bowled well but was over bowled by Dhoni as the captain had nowhere to turn to plus, went in with just 4 bowlers. Shami was initially erratic and Pankaj Singh was like a luckless bowling machine going at nearly 4 an over, bowled 37 overs without a single wicket. Jadeja did a holding job but got 2 wickets of 45 overs. The other 3 was during the second innings and England was looking to attack.

 

England won the toss, chose to bat and their top 4 batsmen alone scored almost 450 runs! It was Jos Buttler's debut and he scored a quick 80 as well. India was on the field for 2 days, bowled 160+ overs and England's first innings was declared at 569/7!

 

The present pace attack is much better but it will be advantage batsmen.

 

 

I remember Cook being dropped by Jadeja in slips and he went on to score 95. That drop started India's downfall in the series. Also Moeen Ali got a 6-fer in 2nd innings, so there will be some help for spinners as match goes on if it is a flat deck.

[putrevus]

6 hours ago, Lannister said:

He was bad in that second test offering full tosses and letting batsmen score over 5 rpo. What he need is more experience with the red ball and we shouldn't risk playing him in such an important series. 

So what, he is young and he is not supposed to be the focal point of attack. You don't go from being the second spinner to out of squad .

[Lannister]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

So what, he is young and he is not supposed to be the focal point of attack. You don't go from being the second spinner to out of squad .

He was one of the reasons we lost that Test match. He is clearly not ready to be playing in overseas tests. I don't think we need a spinner the way our fast bowlers are bowling. He's better off playing A games for his own growth.