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I see that there are lot of negative posts on Che Pujara and I am tempted to start this thread inspired by thread.

We all know how Pujara was hyped as the next Dravid in his debut year after his recent heroics for Saurashtra and performance in the 4th innings chase vs Aus in 2010. Later on, he has indeed failed to capitalize/adjust in overseas conditions for the last many years except for the occasional blips such as Wanderers 2013. 

 

But, I think Che Pujara has answered all his critics in style by this match saving (or potentially match winning) performance today. Not to say his key role in the last test victory, Chesteshwar is proving what is made up of and how wrong all the detractors were in assessing him when he was playing those ultra slow innings.

 

It is time his detractors apologize to Cheteshwar Pujara and recognize his irreplaceable position in the echelons on Indian test batting greats. 

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Not just negative posts but downright insults against him. 

 

As if he was a useless bat. 

 

The reason we got to number one was because of him. Not our other fancy bats. He scored the tough runs on tough pitches in Asia while others chipped in at times or stat boosted. 

 

He has played a crucial knock in almost every single Indian win since his debut.

 

Home or away. 

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Turned it around in Eng. If you take Kohli out, Pujara is the highest runs scorer from both sides .... As the phrase goes "time to eat the ...." :p:

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Well, at that time if we had known that he would pull this off, no one would have criticized him. 

 

No apologies because it was obvious he was struggling and was on the verge of being dropped, but celebrations and gratitude for his heroic knock today!  Way to go, Pujara.  

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brilliant brilliant from Pujara today , especially the way he build partnerships for the last 2 wkts and took the lead.But he is such an expert on spin friendly conditions and he naturally played his part. Having said that he still is not an assured  option  for a top 6. His primary kid level running which hurt the team cause a lot and his  still over all mediocre record in SENA  can't be concealed by today's  knock alone and hence deserved all the criticism that came his way.

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I have always liked Chepu. He, Kohli and Rahane should be given the long rope and should never be dropped/reinstated frequently. He is a classic old fashioned player. Yes he does get into a rut, but he has the grit and perseverance to fight it out like he did today. In fact when he and Kohli were playing, the latter was making more loose shots. Even when he drives or cuts, it is with the full flourish of the bat and not with just a punch like the modern player does. Yes, he does not rotate the strike enough and scores slowly, but that is his trait, good or bad.

 

Credit goes where credit is due. India would be losing tomorrow if he did not stick it out. 

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Should have always played in First test regardless of his county form. Could have big difference. 

Even throughout SA series, he didn't perform above expectations, but did just about minimum. Yet the management kept tinkering no. 3 position for this series. 

 

Openers have been the biggest problem. Pujara and Kohli more often than not have to come in to face a new ball.

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Rahane is the one who deserves criticism. Becoming more and more like Asad shafiq these days. Just doesn't shore enough runs - not even at home. Pujara has his weaknesses but temperament ,guts and the ability to grind it out are massive strengths in test cricket. Like I said earlier , we can afford one stonewaller in our lineup. We need to get more out of Dhawan,Rahul,rahane,pant with the bat though. 

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This innings was coming for sure this series. He was getting starts but somehow big innings was not clicking. Overall he has surprisingly exceeded expectations from him especially considering its not subcontinent. BTW he was never a bad batsman. Just a subcontinent bully which still isn't so bad thing to be.

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His first century outside sub continent, he made his debut in 2010. 

 

Unfortunately this inning is exception not norm. Lets hope we see more of such innings. 

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10 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

His first century outside sub continent, he made his debut in 2010. 

 

Unfortunately this inning is exception not norm. Lets hope we see more of such innings. 

he only became regular from 2012 onwards.  2010 was just one test. Also his 145 in SL, conditions and pitch were as good South African conditions, so, not typical subcontinental pitch.  

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34 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

2nd century.

 

19 minutes ago, Number said:

153 in South Africa 2013 I think.

right. how could i forget that game one more over and SA would have had a historic win. 

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Pujara and rahane both deserves criticism bcz they havent come good a number when we needed them. We invested 6 years and 40-50 tests on them but still they dissapoint us everytime. Many a times just a 50 run partnership was all thats required to turn the test match in our favour they fell like tailenders.

I think its they who should apologise us fans.

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22 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

kyun say sorry, he struggled n ppl questioned .....what wrong in that 

It is ok if ppl questioned his place and made performance related criticism. 

But there are some posters who demean his many accomplishments in sub-continental pitches and have gone to hurl abuses on him despite his suitability of his temperament for test cricket. 

 

It is those posters that need to realize his true value to Indian test batting unit even in non-subcontinental conditions after this knock, a knock which put India in game and is preventing/saving from a certain series defeat in England. 

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sorry for what? He was told to improve his dot ball percentage (by being more positive with his strokes and improving running between wickets). Was dropped which gave him time out to think about his game and implemented all the suggested measures and it worked for him. What's there to apologise about? The old Pujara would rarely dance down the track and attempt to hit a spinner over his head let alone slog broad through the leg side and upper cut fast bowlers over the slips. Make no mistake- he's completely reworked his game giving credence to the accuracy of the previous criticisms. 

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https://goo.gl/aYnGuv

 

The Perverse Pleasure Of Championing Pujara - By Mukul Kesavan

 

I could watch Pujara bat all day. He's such a carbuncle that every time he steps out of the crease into his cover-drive, it's like watching a rooted thing become nimble. And then before settling into his guard again, he'll grip the bat in both hands, hold it up in front him and shake it a little. I like to think that he's testing the splice in the way anxious boys used to when the one bat in the game began to creak. 

I like his silly-looking stance: crouched, his bottom sticking out in an undignified way, and the bat, gripped low, meeting the ground at an acute angle. There's a home-made quality to it that suggests it's all his own. 

When he was batting with the tail at Southampton having made his century, he played a lofted on-drive and a commentator suggested that he was entering a claim for the limited overs teams, auditioning for Captain Kohli who leads India in all three formats. It was a kind of joke because Pujara was ruled out of the ODI and Twenty20 reckoning a long time ago. He has two dodgy knees which make everything he does on the field (apart from that cover drive) look like a video clip with a few frames missing. The limber athleticism that the limited overs game demands is not, by general consensus, his thing. 

Even in Tests, Pujara's running between wickets is the stuff of stand-up comedy. When he was run out in the second Test, left for dead by his Captain, who first accepted, then reneged on a run, commentators rolled their eyes and noted he had form in this style of suicide.

There was something hapless about Pujara coming into this series. Even his earnest attempt to get to grips with English conditions by playing for Yorkshire earlier in the season seemed to backfire; his average of barely fifteen runs an outing helped keep him out of the team for the first Test. 

Included in the team for the second Test, he failed in both innings after getting a start, once via that run out and once when he went to hook (!) at the stroke of lunch and was caught. Sanjay Manjrekar elaborated his thesis on Pujara's technical deficiencies in his best more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger manner. On social media, discriminating, numerate aficionados ran the numbers for Pujara's scores outside Asia and showed him up as a home-advantage hero.

This is the peculiar, off-centre pleasure of championing Cheteshwar, the massed wrongness on the other side. There is a gymnastic quality to it: throngs of pundits, paid and pro bono, first litter commentary's highway with banana peels and then, in coordinated pratfalls, land on their backsides together, making thunder. 

When Pujara made a fifty in the Trent Bridge Test, it was a scratchy effort eclipsed by Kohli's performances in both innings. It wasn't, as American lawyers like to say, dispositive. It was Pujara being Pujara: edging, prodding, sucking up momentum, stalling proceedings, except this time in a way that happened to work for India. The bear-baiters in cricket's studios and online colosseums kept heckling...in murmurs.

 

Then came the hundred in Southampton. Chasing a total when the middle-order collapsed once Kohli, the team's karta, fell short of fifty, Pujara produced the perfect knock. He was all application till there were no recognized batsmen left and then scored runs in a hectic, up-tempo rush, producing the unfamiliar lofted boundaries that prompted the amused observation about his limited overs ambitions. 

Nasser Hussain couldn't understand how Pujara had been left out for the first Test. Graeme Swann said that England would snap your hand off if you offered them a player like him. But these were rational outsiders stating the bleeding obvious; there was little to savour in that. The real payoff for Pujara's partisans came a little later: the sheared metal sounds of Pujara-sceptics reversing. 

For gourmands of epic fails, Sanjay Manjrekar's comments in the studio show after Pujara's century were rare white truffles. The gist of these comments was condensed into a tweet: "Any kid thinking I don't have enough talent to make it, look at Pujara, that's your role model right there."

Bear in mind that Pujara's knock was chanceless in a series where batting has been a thicket of edges. It was also unbeaten: every run except for the opening stand was made in his company. On a pitch where batsmen on both sides (with the exception of the precocious Sam Curran) had struggled in the first innings, Pujara produced the complete performance...and the lesson that Manjrekar drew from it was that men of small talent could rise above themselves. 

 

Manjrekar was a first-rate top order batsman who didn't do as well as he should have. His persona as a player-commentator is a meld of self-deprecation and truth-telling: unlike many others of his ilk, he tries not to be a cheer-leader for the prevailing dispensation. Nasser Hussain and Michael Atherton, in their different ways, pull off this difficult trick-cold-eyed, yet good-humoured expertise-with some flair. Manjrekar, though, sometimes comes across as an exacting ex-player who holds contemporary players to high standards he thinks he didn't meet...and then fails them. 

 

In his assessment of Pujara, Manjrekar is part of a broader contemporary backlash against the tendency to romanticize Test cricket and its allegedly singular virtues. The fastidious disdain for limited overs formats, the hostility to players who emerge from these codes to stake a claim to Test selection, has provoked many intelligent followers of the game to push back against this old-world snobbery. Pujara, given the kind of player he is, has inevitably become collateral damage.

Pujara is, by default, the Test tragic's beau ideal. He doesn't play limited overs cricket and is therefore a 'pure' Test cricketer. This is not by choice: Pujara, like any modern player, would like to play these lucrative formats, except he isn't good enough. Though players shouldn't be held responsible for their champions, the fact that he has become something of a rallying point for 'proper' cricket-wallahs has prompted the other side to make Pujara a lightning rod for their impatience with Test-mystification. 

To be fair to his critics, Pujara is in some ways an easy target. The tentative front-foot press, the frequency with which he is clean-bowled, the poor away record, the inability to wrest the initiative from the other side, the tendency to stall into strokelessness, make Pujara the Anti-Kohli at a time when the captain's combative virtues have been resoundingly vindicated by his record. 

Which makes this the perfect moment to be a Pujara partisan. This flawed but true batsman combined self-denial with stroke-play to salvage a failing innings when the game and the series were in the balance. He cut, drove (off both feet), flicked and upper-cut his way to his hundred. He did this without any servings of luck while playing, for the most part, a lone hand. He built upon his fifty at Trent Bridge and showed that his technique was up to the challenge of English conditions. 

 

The lesson we should take away from this is not Manjrekar's perverse conclusion that the mediocre can rise above themselves, but the important truth that while Test match technique and temperament come in many shapes and forms, common to all their manifestations is the willingness and ability to consistently play the conditions. This truism is best illustrated negatively via players who lacked this quality: Vinod Kambli, Gautam Gambhir, Yuvraj Singh and currently, Rohit Sharma. Their champions cite, in extenuation, averages (Gambhir and Kambli have impressive career numbers) and talent (Yuvraj and Rohit are reservoirs of potential); what they ignore is their inability to either consistently impose themselves on the conditions or to adapt to them. 

Pujara, then, is important not only because he is the real deal as a Test match batsman, but also as a litmus test. In the great echo chamber of cricketing conversation, beware pundits who praise Gambhir's pugnacity or Yuvraj's ball-striking skills or (as a last resort) Sharma's first-class averages to mourn the injustice of their foreshortened Test careers. Discriminating followers of Test cricket knew early on that they lacked that certain something. 

The secret joy of watching Test cricket is vindication: the shabby pleasure of being right which, happily, requires others to be wrong. Had India won at Southampton, Pujara's achievement would have been amplified, but even in defeat, we should take a moment to mark that century's excellence, to enjoy the hush on the interwebs as silenced trolls strain for their second winds. 

Mukul Kesavan is a writer based in Delhi. His most recent book is 'Homeless on Google Earth' (Permanent Black, 2013).

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Most people are fans of Kohli as a bat. Its just that some fans take it yto next level and justify Kohli as a skipper/selector.

 

I want someone to ask Kohli Shashtri. Why do you keep dropping Pujara during initial stages of a trip?

 

What do they really mean by often used term "Intent"?

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On 9/1/2018 at 7:54 PM, mancalledsting said:

sorry for what? He was told to improve his dot ball percentage (by being more positive with his strokes and improving running between wickets). Was dropped which gave him time out to think about his game and implemented all the suggested measures and it worked for him. What's there to apologise about? The old Pujara would rarely dance down the track and attempt to hit a spinner over his head let alone slog broad through the leg side and upper cut fast bowlers over the slips. Make no mistake- he's completely reworked his game giving credence to the accuracy of the previous criticisms. 

Because some will say, there was no reason to drop him after his South Africa performance and we could have won at Edgbaston. And those who say that, firmly believe that Pujara is playing exactly the way he plays.

 

Kohli shouldnt get him run out. If it was Kohli, who should have been run out, instead of sacrificing Pujara and had he played at Edgbastn, Some will say, Pujara would have scored most runs in the series.

 

How is that for a thought?

 

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3 hours ago, mishra said:

Most people are fans of Kohli as a bat. Its just that some fans take it yto next level and justify Kohli as a skipper/selector.

 

I want someone to ask Kohli Shashtri. Why do you keep dropping Pujara during initial stages of a trip?

 

What do they really mean by often used term "Intent"?

Stop posting garbage  I don’t see any one in this forum are fan of kohli as a batsman let alone as a captain  . When I joined this forum I thought I was in wrong forum that golum poster abuse kohli is so much that I thought  it must be green forum.take example as you . You always posting negative comments about Kohli and keep defending HTB Pujara. Right now he is scoring so you don’t have any option to criticized him if he go slitly out of form then you see and as far as his captaincy considerd I don’t think any sane person has audacity to defend him.he should relegate from captaincy.

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1 hour ago, VT87 said:

Stop posting garbage  I don’t see any one in this forum are fan of kohli as a batsman let alone as a captain  . When I joined this forum I thought I was in wrong forum that golum poster abuse kohli is so much that I thought  it must be green forum.take example as you . You always posting negative comments about Kohli and keep defending HTB Pujara. Right now he is scoring so you don’t have any option to criticized him if he go slitly out of form then you see and as far as his captaincy considerd I don’t think any sane person has audacity to defend him.he should relegate from captaincy.

Anyone screwing India would be defended by Green Bro.

 

Genuinely got confused by your post though.

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Where is the consistency , Rahane and Pujara are too inconsistent even when they make a score , we cannot expect good things from them next innings or next match.Showing up once in a series is not what is expected from top order batsmen. Both of them have enough experience.Their sample size to  big enough to assert it is who they are going to be and worse moving forward so better to look for other options.

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2 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

Pujara sill is far from adequate  from being one of the vital component of Indian top 6. He is too inconsistant  and his record in SENA speaks for itself.

Who has better? Dont care what statguru says, Just watch a complete series. Bats with more control get out on bowls which player like Murali missed. And thats what matters in test cricket. Who doesnt get beat is better batsman

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