Trichromatic Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 6 matches 24 wickets 20.83 bowl avg 2 5-fers (Both at same ground) chewy 1 Link to comment
chewy Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Actually Mooen has been a beast vs all visiting teams to England. His batting and bowling record in England is exceptional. Was surprised Eng even picked Rashid instead of him. Someone like Mark Wood (genuine quick bowler) instead of Rashid and Moeen playing as spinner would have done more damage to India. Link to comment
Gollum Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, chewy said: Actually Mooen has been a beast vs all visiting teams to England. His batting and bowling record in England is exceptional. Was surprised Eng even picked Rashid instead of him. Someone like Mark Wood (genuine quick bowler) instead of Rashid and Moeen playing as spinner would have done more damage to India. Since OP was talking about his bowling these are the relevant stats. He has bullied only India and (ABDV less) SA. With the bat he has bullied Pak and Lanka whilst averaging low against all other teams. chewy 1 Link to comment
chewy Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, Gollum said: Since OP was talking about his bowling these are the relevant stats. He has bullied only India and (ABDV less) SA. With the bat he has bullied Pak and Lanka whilst averaging low against all other teams. hmmm, interesting This just makes it more frustrating then Guys like Pant and Pandya getting out to him so meekly is unforgivable Link to comment
Turning_track Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) A decade ago he was not even a proper off spinner, but he has progressed with his bowling at home. He is smart tbh; puts lot of revs, varies with trajectory & consistent in landing at good areas. But our batsmen have made him look like a Laker or Murali. He bowls well nevertheless but it is our job to play him properly without any uncertainty. Gifting him a fifer is definitely not acceptable. Edited August 31, 2018 by Turning_track Link to comment
JourneyMan Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Making average players look great is an indian cricketing tradition Gollum, LordPrabhzy, saik and 1 other 4 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 no variety in batting line up .. for a start this batting top 6 is no way near the calibre of Sachin era. So to compensate for that by at least a fair share left hand-right hand variety is needed. And that does not exist. Link to comment
Khota Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Indians are making him look better. They are so concerned about Anderson that they overlook others. Link to comment
bowl_out Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Pant, Pandya, Ashwin gifted their wickets. Shami got a beauty Moeen was good today, but nothing exceptional.. it was more of poor batting Link to comment
Franco Vazquez Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Moeen is an average bowler and his performance against India today and in 2014 is the reason why his England career is still alive Link to comment
R.D forever Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Not giving him respect is a main reason. English batsmen don't play reverse sweeps and wristy flicks when Ashwin is bowling. They know he is a threat. For some strange reason we look to hit him out of the attack Everytime. Should be patient. He is not consistent as ashwin.and will bowl loose balls now and then Link to comment
Deleted_User_1 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Do take ki bowler, Saale Phuck de India is ko handle nahin kar sakta. UrmiSinhaRay, SK_IH and Suhaan 1 2 Link to comment
diga Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 It was mostly lower order wkts and some brainfade from Ashwin.. Dont think we should be unduly worried Link to comment
vayuu1 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 5 hours ago, Trichromatic said: 6 matches 24 wickets 20.83 bowl avg 2 5-fers (Both at same ground) See the thing is, you see Offie tend to pick more wickets against India, you know why, coz if you notice yesterday,one of the most counter productive shots was missing from our game, that is sweep none of the lads in this team play sweep, during karun Nairs 300 against England he use to toy with Moeen by using all types of sweep, when ball is turning you either come down the track or use feet to smother spin or u use sweep to unsettle bowler, all we did was to allow Moeen to just held a line outside off stump and bowl his stuff, no down the track from others just stand and play we didn't even used depth of crease, sehwag and laxman would have mauled him and would have smashed him to oblivion. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 6 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: no variety in batting line up .. for a start this batting top 6 is no way near the calibre of Sachin era. So to compensate for that by at least a fair share left hand-right hand variety is needed. And that does not exist. Good that doesn't exist. He will eat left handers for breakfast. Link to comment
Pollack Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 For some reasons, Moeen Bhai is always under appreciated. He may not be the best but he can certainly win matches for England either with ball or bat. I guess its not like England have great spinners lining up? Link to comment
Tattieboy Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 8 hours ago, Gollum said: Since OP was talking about his bowling these are the relevant stats. He has bullied only India and (ABDV less) SA. With the bat he has bullied Pak and Lanka whilst averaging low against all other teams. Show me in these stats where it says 86-6 and his 40 helped change the course of the innings Show me in those stats where it says 141-2 and his 5-63 changed not only the innings but maybe the series? I accept he is neither a very good test batsman or test spinner BUT he produces performances with bat and ball that are game and series changers now and again . As a batsman he can bat 1-11 in test, ODI, T20 , not many of those in international cricket , He is a players player, I am willing to bet the other 10 in the England team would prefer Modeen to any other English " spinner" at this time . Stats are great but they don't paint the whole picture of a game . Until England can produce a top class international spinner I will have Moeen Ali every time Gollum 1 Link to comment
Tattieboy Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 14 hours ago, Gollum said: Since OP was talking about his bowling these are the relevant stats. He has bullied only India and (ABDV less) SA. With the bat he has bullied Pak and Lanka whilst averaging low against all other teams. As I was saying Gollam, show me in averages where it says sacrificed because of others short comings but as I said he is a players player Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 9 hours ago, rkt.india said: Good that doesn't exist. He will eat left handers for breakfast. he would have been taken to cleaners if he came across Ganguly,Gambhir etc That was their class Link to comment
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