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Ashwin has failed India overseas yet again when it matters


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4 hours ago, chewy said:

Sorry to say, but he seems mentally shot

keeps on bowling 8-10 mph quicker than the required pace

Everyone is on about slow down the pace nearer 45-50 mph

 

not sure what analysts and coaching staff doing, but regardless Ashwin should know his own game

 

whenever he slows it down, he gets bounce and turn

I don't think he listens to anyone.

He is bowling with a different wrist position every ball , too flat most of the times and too quick and delivering the ball off his first finger instead of majority of the time looking for loop and turn by bowling off middle finger knuckle . All caused by lack of rotation of the hip and chest on because that action is for all these variations he is trying .

 

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7 hours ago, G_B_ said:

being out bowled by Moeen Ali

 

says it all

Actually, its more like England has out-batted India against spin on spin-friendly track, yet again.

 

This concept is so alien for Indians to accept that its understandable. For so long we've been kings of spin batting that the whole ' must be great against pace to succeed overseas' has taken away from the one bread & butter of Indian batting lineup: near-invincible against quality spin bowling.

 

But i don't see why this is so shocking, the last 3-4 England-India tours have classically demonstrated that this English batting lineup is significantly better than the Indian lineup at playing spin. 

 

Ashwin didn't get outbowled by Moeen, he just got to feel what Murali/Warne felt against us ( not saying England team currently is as good as Indian team of 90s/2000s against spin, just that Murali/Warne knew what it felt like bowling to a much stronger batting lineup against their specific skills -spin bowling- than their batsmen would do).

 

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10 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

I don't think he listens to anyone.

He is bowling with a different wrist position every ball , too flat most of the times and too quick and delivering the ball off his first finger instead of majority of the time looking for loop and turn by bowling off middle finger knuckle . All caused by lack of rotation of the hip and chest on because that action is for all these variations he is trying .

 

No, coz he has a hip injury. hip injuries are not so simple, even with a clean bill of health, you will still have to baby it for a while.

 

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Just now, Muloghonto said:

No, coz he has a hip injury. hip injuries are not so simple, even with a clean bill of health, you will still have to baby it for a while.

 

He has been bowling chest  with no rotation  for quite a while. Was using in T20 for his leg break stupidity 

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Ashwin was a collosal failure last year in CT. he was the worst spinner in the tournament but his support on ICF was sky high. This man single handedly has caused so much pain in SA and now England. 

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4 minutes ago, R.D forever said:

No excuse of injury. If he is injured he should have sat out. Period. 

 

Still he is a valuable asset. But for now jadeja should be given preference from.next match

That is illogical.
Whether one sits out or not, is a case for team selector's competency. it doesn't change the fact whether someone's performance is affected by injury/injury-recovery or not. 


Hip injuries commonly lead to healing but also lot of fragility in the hip flexors for a long time - its actually a common athletic 'major' injury that doesnt get the attention from the public. 

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2 minutes ago, Khota said:

Ashwin was a collosal failure last year in CT. he was the worst spinner in the tournament but his support on ICF was sky high. This man single handedly has caused so much pain in SA and now England. 

His ODI career is pretty much over. Yes he bowled very bad today when it was needed the most but TBH he was pretty good till now. And in SA.

 

Reason why so much hate is because he talks too much. No one would lose their **** if jaddu fails. Cause he is a simpleton 

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Actually, its more like England has out-batted India against spin on spin-friendly track, yet again.

 

This concept is so alien for Indians to accept that its understandable. For so long we've been kings of spin batting that the whole ' must be great against pace to succeed overseas' has taken away from the one bread & butter of Indian batting lineup: near-invincible against quality spin bowling.

 

But i don't see why this is so shocking, the last 3-4 England-India tours have classically demonstrated that this English batting lineup is significantly better than the Indian lineup at playing spin. 

 

Ashwin didn't get outbowled by Moeen, he just got to feel what Murali/Warne felt against us ( not saying England team currently is as good as Indian team of 90s/2000s against spin, just that Murali/Warne knew what it felt like bowling to a much stronger batting lineup against their specific skills -spin bowling- than their batsmen would do).

 

Lets wait for second innings from Moeen and then decide..hopefully bat till he is bowled..he will not do much. His wickets were soft...given..

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i did not notice anything in the pitch when our team bowled and the bowling was impecabble not anything due to pitch barring jennings dismisssal . so if the pitch stay true to its character tomorrow and our batsman have some semblance of responsibility we should hope to give a good fight. 

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4 hours ago, Vilander said:

Lets wait for second innings from Moeen and then decide..hopefully bat till he is bowled..he will not do much. His wickets were soft...given..

In all probability we might see India getting all-out for 150 the moment Kohli gets out. Moeen would pick lower order , tail 

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