Tattieboy Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 4 hours ago, chewy said: Sorry to say, but he seems mentally shot keeps on bowling 8-10 mph quicker than the required pace Everyone is on about slow down the pace nearer 45-50 mph not sure what analysts and coaching staff doing, but regardless Ashwin should know his own game whenever he slows it down, he gets bounce and turn I don't think he listens to anyone. He is bowling with a different wrist position every ball , too flat most of the times and too quick and delivering the ball off his first finger instead of majority of the time looking for loop and turn by bowling off middle finger knuckle . All caused by lack of rotation of the hip and chest on because that action is for all these variations he is trying . Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 7 hours ago, G_B_ said: being out bowled by Moeen Ali says it all Actually, its more like England has out-batted India against spin on spin-friendly track, yet again. This concept is so alien for Indians to accept that its understandable. For so long we've been kings of spin batting that the whole ' must be great against pace to succeed overseas' has taken away from the one bread & butter of Indian batting lineup: near-invincible against quality spin bowling. But i don't see why this is so shocking, the last 3-4 England-India tours have classically demonstrated that this English batting lineup is significantly better than the Indian lineup at playing spin. Ashwin didn't get outbowled by Moeen, he just got to feel what Murali/Warne felt against us ( not saying England team currently is as good as Indian team of 90s/2000s against spin, just that Murali/Warne knew what it felt like bowling to a much stronger batting lineup against their specific skills -spin bowling- than their batsmen would do). Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Tattieboy said: I don't think he listens to anyone. He is bowling with a different wrist position every ball , too flat most of the times and too quick and delivering the ball off his first finger instead of majority of the time looking for loop and turn by bowling off middle finger knuckle . All caused by lack of rotation of the hip and chest on because that action is for all these variations he is trying . No, coz he has a hip injury. hip injuries are not so simple, even with a clean bill of health, you will still have to baby it for a while. Link to comment
Tattieboy Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, Muloghonto said: No, coz he has a hip injury. hip injuries are not so simple, even with a clean bill of health, you will still have to baby it for a while. He has been bowling chest with no rotation for quite a while. Was using in T20 for his leg break stupidity Link to comment
R.D forever Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 No excuse of injury. If he is injured he should have sat out. Period. Still he is a valuable asset. But for now jadeja should be given preference from.next match express bowling 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) Ashwin was a collosal failure last year in CT. he was the worst spinner in the tournament but his support on ICF was sky high. This man single handedly has caused so much pain in SA and now England. Edited September 1, 2018 by Khota Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, R.D forever said: No excuse of injury. If he is injured he should have sat out. Period. Still he is a valuable asset. But for now jadeja should be given preference from.next match That is illogical. Whether one sits out or not, is a case for team selector's competency. it doesn't change the fact whether someone's performance is affected by injury/injury-recovery or not. Hip injuries commonly lead to healing but also lot of fragility in the hip flexors for a long time - its actually a common athletic 'major' injury that doesnt get the attention from the public. Link to comment
R.D forever Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Khota said: Ashwin was a collosal failure last year in CT. he was the worst spinner in the tournament but his support on ICF was sky high. This man single handedly has caused so much pain in SA and now England. His ODI career is pretty much over. Yes he bowled very bad today when it was needed the most but TBH he was pretty good till now. And in SA. Reason why so much hate is because he talks too much. No one would lose their **** if jaddu fails. Cause he is a simpleton Link to comment
Stuge Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 hours ago, express bowling said: Why the * is Ashwin bowling so many variations ? This is not a bloody T20 ! Why can't he bowl some good old fashioned off spin and aim at the rough more often ! He keeps using too much of it and loses the plot . Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I have given up analyzing bowlers , batsmen. Yo batsmen you are there to score runs. Don't care how you score. Bowlers you are there to take wickets don't care how you take it. If you don't do let India groom someone else. zen and raki05 2 Link to comment
Vilander Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Actually, its more like England has out-batted India against spin on spin-friendly track, yet again. This concept is so alien for Indians to accept that its understandable. For so long we've been kings of spin batting that the whole ' must be great against pace to succeed overseas' has taken away from the one bread & butter of Indian batting lineup: near-invincible against quality spin bowling. But i don't see why this is so shocking, the last 3-4 England-India tours have classically demonstrated that this English batting lineup is significantly better than the Indian lineup at playing spin. Ashwin didn't get outbowled by Moeen, he just got to feel what Murali/Warne felt against us ( not saying England team currently is as good as Indian team of 90s/2000s against spin, just that Murali/Warne knew what it felt like bowling to a much stronger batting lineup against their specific skills -spin bowling- than their batsmen would do). Lets wait for second innings from Moeen and then decide..hopefully bat till he is bowled..he will not do much. His wickets were soft...given.. Link to comment
Vilander Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 6 hours ago, asterix said: chewt stop abusing players. Being a mod and calling names ? You are setting a bad example... Link to comment
prasen82 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 i did not notice anything in the pitch when our team bowled and the bowling was impecabble not anything due to pitch barring jennings dismisssal . so if the pitch stay true to its character tomorrow and our batsman have some semblance of responsibility we should hope to give a good fight. Link to comment
Moochad Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I watched the entire innings by Ashwin. It was one of the worst bowling performances by a spinner in memory. vivek04, Laaloo, G_B_ and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment
ThePhenomenal1 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 At least jadeja is consistent and would get some wickets. Link to comment
Wall2018 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Why did they select Ashwin if he was not fully fit... Link to comment
Vk1 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Vilander said: Lets wait for second innings from Moeen and then decide..hopefully bat till he is bowled..he will not do much. His wickets were soft...given.. In all probability we might see India getting all-out for 150 the moment Kohli gets out. Moeen would pick lower order , tail Link to comment
Yoda-esque Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Hubris will be his downfallSent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk Link to comment
Frustrated Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Jadeja should replace Ashwin next match. Ashwin can score maybe max 25 runs , but can't pick wickets and is easily the worst fielder with negative body langauge. Jadeja can't be worse. Link to comment
GautiMaan Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Unbelievable.Now he seems to have lost his touch against lefties as well. Should be dropped then he Vijay and DK can spend their time chilling in Marina Beach eating sundal UrmiSinhaRay, Yoda-esque, Adorable Fan and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment
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