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Have seen Azharuddin make some blunders like a) electing to bowl first and keep an LOI field in tests in NZ (1990 iirc), and b) electing to bowl first at Kol in the WC96 SF, but I don't know if captaincy (in terms of strategy and tactics) has gone to a new low. Discuss if it is time for a change (or after the WC2019) 

 

  • Tests -> Pujara
  • LOIs -> Rohit (interim) 

 

:no:

 

 

PS copy and paste from one of my posts below:

 

“Cricket is one of the sports where decision taken on and off the field can impact the game. So captaincy can be evaluated based on decisions taken. It is not necessarily about wins or losses, because you can be a good captain even though your team is losing because of its makeup or a bad captain even if your team is winning 

 

My memories are vague but I used to like Mark Taylor’s captaincy. And even Martin Crowe’s in WC 1992 where NZ opened with Deepak Patel. Crowe had a good motivating influence on the team and also led from the front (became the player of the tournament iirc)”

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Just now, Khota said:

Yes!

3 formats 3 captains.

This will keep power from concentrating with one person.

The one playing ODI is likely to play T20s too 

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1 minute ago, zen said:

The one playing ODI is likely to play T20s too 

True but it needs to be spread around. Kohli thinks he is betterthan others and has become arrogant.

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1 minute ago, Nikola said:

Might try rohit for t20s. In odis & tests i don't see kohli allowing anyone to captain side.

And that is the problem. Who the heck is Kohli that Indian cricket has to take permission from him.

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Just now, Khota said:

True but it needs to be spread around. Kohli thinks he is betterthan others and has become arrogant.

Theoretically yes, but practically you do not want one guy to play under another in one format and vice versa .... Pujara is not going to play LOIs so can captain in tests and he is a committed cricketer .... someone like Rohit can do that in LOIs 

 

Your plan would work if Rohit does not play T20s, which becomes a format for young players. In that case:

 

  • Tests -> Pujara
  • ODIs -> Rohit
  • T20s -> Pandya :dontknow:

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5 minutes ago, zen said:

Theoretically yes, but practically you do not want one guy to play under another in one format and vice versa .... Pujara is not going to play LOIs so can captain in tests and he is a committed cricketer .... someone like Rohit can do that in LOIs 

 

Your plan would work if Rohit does not play T20s, which becomes a format for young players. In that case:

 

  • Tests -> Pujara
  • ODIs -> Rohit
  • T20s -> Pandya :dontknow:

It should not make any difference. These are not teenagers that their fellings will get hurt. It is about team, not them.

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We need a fiery character to captain Test side, not dull ones like Dhoni or Pujara. Let him continue with the Test captaincy. But he needs to be kept away from team selections. He's someone who can't keep away his personal bias when selecting players. We have seen that particular trait cause us to lose many test matches. So team selection is a no-go for him.

 

As for ODIs and T20s go, he's clearly not suited to handle those two formats. It's a perfect opportunity to groom some young player to leadership role, someone like KL Rahul. But it never happens, and hence we will always be a perennial failures. 

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5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Do you think that there is even 1% realistic chance of Pujara being thd test captain  ?

Realistically no, but he is a good candidate .... Kohli is likely to rule the roost 

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A captain has to 1st own a place

 

In test - apart from kohli every place gets in doubt at times. Even with pujara their has to be a lil more consisency overseas....jst been few innings. Rahane has never been consistent and pretty much can loose his place in subcontinent. Ashwin again is having question mark overseas. 

So in test for sometime kohli is the guy

 

LOI- rohit shud lead the side but giving him capatincy jst a few mnth before WC isnt fair to him and neither it will happen . N ppl here are after his place to in LOI side

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Kohli's captaincy was suspect today, over bowling Ashwin just because of the rough and Moeen's performance. Only other option he had was to go to Hardik so that may not have worked out either. Sadly I still think he's the best option India have. He was also let down by yet another epic failure from his batting lineup. 

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52 minutes ago, Vilander said:

No, but there are other needs that i can think of.

 

India needs better fans.

 

Icf needs more balanced posters.

 

Test cricket needs patience from players and those watching it....

 

 

But how can you advise others when most folks here are more knowledgeable and balanced :facepalm:

 

for e.g 

 

Better fans: better (and analytical) fans of team Ind (not individuals) would like to point out its deficiencies and help it to improve .... those who say Ind will win even if it needs 50 of the last ball are idiots / cheerleaders / pretenders / attention seekers / psychos 

 

Balanced posters: adding to the above unless always presenting unidimensional scenarios equals balance like your dumb assessenent that Eng will get bowled out for 120, Ind will score 400 in first inning, or whatever 

 

Be a good fan, stop jinxing team Ind 

 

:p:

 

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3 hours ago, Khota said:

It should not make any difference. These are not teenagers that their fellings will get hurt. It is about team, not them.

Egos can be difficult to manage though at times

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Cricket is one of the sports where decision taken on and off the field can impact the game. So captaincy can be evaluated based on decisions taken. It is not necessarily about wins or losses, because you can be a good captain even though your team is losing because of its makeup or a bad captain even if your team is winning 

 

My memories are vague but I used to like Mark Taylor’s captaincy. And even Martin Crowe’s in WC 1992 where NZ opened with Deepak Patel. Crowe had a good motivating influence on the team and also led from the front (became the player of the tournament iirc)

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5 hours ago, zen said:

Cricket is one of the sports where decision taken on and off the field can impact the game. So captaincy can be evaluated based on decisions taken. It is not necessarily about wins or losses, because you can be a good captain even though your team is losing because of its makeup or a bad captain even if your team is winning 

 

My memories are vague but I used to like Mark Taylor’s captaincy. And even Martin Crowe’s in WC 1992 where NZ opened with Deepak Patel. Crowe had a good motivating influence on the team and also led from the front (became the player of the tournament iirc)

I think captaincy is the most overrated things in cricket. There is no way a captain can make better decison than the coach and staff in the box. Cricket should have rotating captains with coach making the decision.

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15 minutes ago, Khota said:

I think captaincy is the most overrated things in cricket. There is no way a captain can make better decison than the coach and staff in the box. Cricket should have rotating captains with coach making the decision.

That concept’s pros and cons can be evaluated later. Right now in Ind cricket, the captain is the key both on and off the field 

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14 hours ago, Nikola said:

Kohli's odi captaincy would work till dhoni don't retire. If rohit or someone else becomes captain you don't need dhoni as well and you get good captain too.

As if being dhoni in the team doing wonders for kohli. We lost all world events since 2013.

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Kohli is a terrible captain, especially his team selection reeks of favoritism and extreme bias against any young talented cricketers. The day he and Shastri are removed the Indian team will move forward.

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This is the first match where I actually felt like Kohli was a hopeless captain. I don't know where his trust in Ashwin came from, that he should allow him to bowl so many overs and underbowl the fast bowlers.

 

Hopefully a one-off match. 

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37 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

This is the first match where I actually felt like Kohli was a hopeless captain. I don't know where his trust in Ashwin came from, that he should allow him to bowl so many overs and underbowl the fast bowlers.

 

Hopefully a one-off match. 

 

 

I think kohli is using this to expose ashwin and get in kuldeep.

 

Worst test ever for ashwin unless we win this or ashwin plays a part in Indian win through his batting. 

 

But we don't need a new captain ? We need new openers and rahane to hit form overseas.

 

Pure test bats and bowlers should be given additional bonus to ensure they don't play IPL. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, zen said:

:facepalm:

 

He is like the the guy whose one leg is on banana skin and other in a grave (near retirement)

He is ploting for opponents to fall by placing a banana skin and digging a grave with other leg, so that the opponents can get OUT quickly.

 

That's the captain we want... :aha: From captain cool to Captain Slayer. Rebirth of MS 

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I still back Kohli as captain. 

India can definitely use a better coaching staff and a aports psychological like Sandy Gordon.

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