chewy Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Changed captain, changed batting personnel, changed bowling personnel but defeats continue since the horror show in England 2011. I remember all his booha about changing domestic pitches and increased A tours to get players more equipped for overseas series. But same old, same old...batting crumbles, sometimes bowlers take 1-2 Test matches to get their line and length adjusted, poor slip fielding, poor team selection, poor player fitness management Alot of the players introduced to take over mentle of Sehwag, Dravid, Tendu, Laxman have been below par, they have been playing now for over four years and taken India to No.1 on home strength but feel they have reached their limits and just aren't good for next step up...to win series in NZ, Eng, SA and Aus. Time to phase out likes of Dhawan, Pujara, Rahane, Rohit, Ashwin, Ishant...the rebuilding phase was completed two years ago, they did well in Asia but these bunch of players just haven't got the quality diehardpacer 1 Link to comment
zen Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Strategically and tactically, Ind is weak .... it is not just in sports but in other domains too .... we also play cricketers based on past records and bhaichara, while failing to infuse youngsters at the right time Stan AF and Switchblade 2 Link to comment
zen Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 If we have to rebuild in tests, WI series is a good opportunity Link to comment
Frustrated Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Just before India departed for England tour , Shastri was saying in the press conference that this team would create history. . Wonder where the bewda would be hiding after the 1-4 drubbing. Switchblade 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Only positive is a captain leading from the front however he too is defensive amd reactive and absolutely naive in so far as tactics and strategies are concerned,a dud coach does not help either. I don't like the fact how our bowling leader starts changing every year.Its a disgrace that someone like Bumrah who made his debut early this year is our supposed leader and bowling maximum overs.Thats why I like to see Ishant finally getting dumped for good,this guy still can't be dependent upon to lead an attack and bowl enough match winning spells. In spin,I think anyways Ashwin was never gonna be an asset in Australia,so I ll like to Kuldeep playing all games down under. And about the lower middle order batting and supposed all rounder.We have compromised our batting on this tour by depending on likes of Pandya and Ashwin in crucial numbers,this has to change for good. In so far as batting is concerned,Rahane spot should be looked at ,consistency has to be a criteria for selection which he fails miserably.Otherwise I think batting has to be backed with inclusion of one rookie may be. Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) The only issue we have faced regarding this round of Sena tours ... Not enough practice matches and not enough practice time with the red ball before the 2 test series. If we had played 3 practice matches with the red ball before both tours ... we could have some much better. Our fast bowling unit has done really well as a unit on both tours. Kohli has performed superbly. Pujara and Rahane have contributed during the later stages of both tours. Openers have given decent starts from test 3 of this series. More practice games is the answer regarding this team. Edited September 2, 2018 by express bowling philcric, beetle, saik and 2 others 5 Link to comment
beetle Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Which team is winning easily in away series consistently? This is how things are . Winning away series is a big ask . We are not doing good but not too bad either this series. We can still win this test if we get 2-3 good partnerships. If not...we can hope to win next because it is not like we are so outclassed that winning is not possible. We have a 50 -50 chance in this match and the next match. We are the number one team but not so far ahead of others that we should expect miracles in away series. The team is underperforming slightly . Our expectations are too much. express bowling 1 Link to comment
jf1gp_1 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 take the second test and 3rd ODI out apart from that we played good cricket. Even this test we did well. Overall it was a good tour. beetle 1 Link to comment
Frustrated Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: take the second test and 3rd ODI out apart from that we played good cricket. Even this test we did well. Overall it was a good tour. We were pathetic in the 2nd ODI as well. We were never in that game right from the start till the end. I don't think it's a good tour if we lose odi and test series without giving a fight and win just T20 (a format which nobody cares about) Link to comment
NareshK Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 India has traditionally been poor in SENA countries. We usually win one test or none in whole series. To expect miracles all of a sudden is stretching a bit too much. Fast bowling and catching has improved. Batting could have been better but there's promise. With better preparation, India could have won this series and the one in SA. Going forward, BCCI needs to invest in specialists in test formats especially for openers and fast bowlers. Link to comment
CG Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Wait till the match is over. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) has been saying this several times. This team simply doesn't have the all round batting variety & skill to succeed as a unit in all conditions. As of now only Kohli & Rahane are the 2 above par performers having been brilliant in 3 out of the 4 of SENA. All the others in top 6 are far from adequate. And there is not a single player in this batting unit who averages 40+ in ENG. That says a lot. This mainly happend because of the team management's reluctance to test talented youngsters in home matches,dead rubbers , against lower ranked teams etc etc.Instead they persisted with proven failures like Dhawan,Pujara etc.Pujara's name may raise a few eye brows, but he has been far from being consistant in SENA. Only a complete hack left handed batsman in the top 6!!!!! To add to that, treating one day matches as preparation for test matches!!!!! How can this team succeed??? Edited September 2, 2018 by rtmohanlal raki05 1 Link to comment
chewy Posted September 2, 2018 Author Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, beetle said: Which team is winning easily in away series consistently? This is how things are . Winning away series is a big ask . We are not doing good but not too bad either this series. We can still win this test if we get 2-3 good partnerships. If not...we can hope to win next because it is not like we are so outclassed that winning is not possible. We have a 50 -50 chance in this match and the next match. We are the number one team but not so far ahead of others that we should expect miracles in away series. The team is underperforming slightly . Our expectations are too much. but that’s the thing, now 60 years of playing Tests, many fans (well on ICF) want the next step up, not content dominating just at home but win those first series in Aus and SA there were valid reasons for lack of success before but now India has the plenty of resources and vast player pool but continue to falter, and failings are coming from India’s supposedly stronger discipline, batting. Straight Drive and Sgattick10 2 Link to comment
raki05 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 8 hours ago, zen said: Strategically and tactically, Ind is weak .... it is not just in sports but in other domains too .... we also play cricketers based on past records and bhaichara, while failing to infuse youngsters at the right time Forget about incompetent selectors and coach there are people here who endorse for bhaichara brigade over youngsters. zen 1 Link to comment
raki05 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 hours ago, beetle said: Which team is winning easily in away series consistently? This is how things are . Winning away series is a big ask . We are not doing good but not too bad either this series. We can still win this test if we get 2-3 good partnerships. If not...we can hope to win next because it is not like we are so outclassed that winning is not possible. We have a 50 -50 chance in this match and the next match. We are the number one team but not so far ahead of others that we should expect miracles in away series. The team is underperforming slightly . Our expectations are too much. But I am really disappointed with our batting effort other than kohli and to some extent pujara our batting is total failure. It would have been better if experience guys like pujara/ Rahane and dhwan who has past experience in playing in these conditions should have shown more commitments from the start, I m sure we could have won first test. New guys or guys playing first time in these conditions are bound to fail, but senior player like rahane/pujara and dhwan should have performed from the start to win overhere. Sgattick10 and beetle 2 Link to comment
Sgattick10 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Our bowling attack is fine, maybe add a couple more so we can rotate them to avoid injury and fatigue. Batting is our biggest concern, apart from Virat none of the batters are consistent performers overseas. We need to identify 2 good openers with good offstump game and technique, catch them young and give a full series. Constant chopping and changing of openers also affects the team. Another problem is Virat being sole superstar batsmen and performer makes too powerful he knows there's no one to challange his captaincy in the team ... that makes him arrogant and lets him pick his favorites. raki05 1 Link to comment
beetle Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 39 minutes ago, raki05 said: But I am really disappointed with our batting effort other than kohli and to some extent pujara our batting is total failure. It would have been better if experience guys like pujara/ Rahane and dhwan who has past experience in playing in these conditions should have shown more commitments from the start, I m sure we could have won first test. New guys or guys playing first time in these conditions are bound to fail, but senior player like rahane/pujara and dhwan should have performed from the start to win overhere. True...very disappointed with Rahane and vijay .I expected them to do well. raki05 1 Link to comment
Frustrated Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 As an Indian fan we should be happy if we can atleast draw a series in SENA countries . Like how Pakistan drew 2-2 in 2016 in England. Nobody is expecting India to win. But unfortunately even that is not happening. Which is very disappointing. There seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel. Link to comment
Tibarn Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 With the tour of Australia in mind, I don't think we need a total rebuild. We need a couple of new batsmen, particularly openers. I don't mind our 3-5 for Australia, assuming Pujara carries his new form in the tests between Aussie tour and now. Kohli and Rahane have a good record in Australia. Ashwin is a big question. All confidence in him is gone after this match, although that may be an overreaction. The fast bowlers are good enough as of now, based on the current performance. Link to comment
GolGappe Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 India at best is a solid mid-tier team when playing away from home. Great teams are not built on the back of one great batsman. India is already a batsman short due to Hardik's selection and Pujara/Rahane haven't been consistent enough to provide enough support to Kohli. Openers have been disappointment away from home. I don't back our last 6 to score 50 runs in a pressure situation. On top of it, India's piss poor attitude towards warm up games, some really bizarre selections, and somewhat bad luck with tosses hasn't helped. But as beetle said, in recent times, not even a single side has been consistently impressive playing away from home. chewy, Stan AF and UrmiSinhaRay 1 2 Link to comment
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