Batting order

[vvvslaxman 6,991]

Assuming the target is somewhere around 260. What should be the batting order? Damn we don't have someone like Sehwag to completely shock them from the get go. Should we promote Punt with tight attacking field sets.  If he can score a quick 40 we can push them on the defensive.  India should not think like they are facing Malcom Marshall on a pacy wicket, Muralitharan on a turner. You have to bring every ounce of our concentration, determination in you to survive and make runs. Pujara did that. Do or Die match. Time is not an issue. Whatever i wrote may become a joke as India could get bowled out for 120 runs lol  But they have to  be a bit more positive.

[sensible-indian 1,459]

Successful 4th innings targets are chased by scoring fast. 

 

Not slow. 

 

Hav to keep the pace lively.

[GolGappe 411]

This match is almost over for India.

 

For India to have even a remote chance, one of the openers have to contribute a solid 70-80 and hang around till 30th over.

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2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Assuming the target is somewhere around 260. What should be the batting order? Damn we don't have someone like Sehwag to completely shock them from the get go. Should we promote Punt with tight attacking field sets.  If he can score a quick 40 we can push them on the defensive.  India should not think like they are facing Malcom Marshall on a pacy wicket, Muralitharan on a turner. You have to bring every ounce of our concentration, determination in you to survive and make runs. Pujara did that. Do or Die match. Time is not an issue. Whatever i wrote may become a joke as India could get bowled out for 120 runs lol  But they have to  be a bit more positive.

There is no negative bone in this team as we were told by a cheerleader coach after winning the last game .Dhawan also scores quickly those 20-30 runs can he do it again?

[coffee_rules 3,307]

I think no matter how much is the chase we should bat positively. We chased 300+ in 2008 in India against Eng with top order/Sehwag going for it. If we fail we fail!

 

[vvvslaxman 6,991]

2 minutes ago, GolGappe said:

This match is almost over for India.

 

For India to have even a remote chance, one of the openers have to contribute a solid 70-80 and hang around till 30th over.

And Root's daft captaincy can come in handy lol

[zen 5,667]

No changes to the top 4. May be Pandya at 5. Pant probably at #6 

[Switchblade 7,361]

Rahane should come at 7 he gets bogged down easily and chokes easily.

[goose 857]

Same order...never seen shuffling come off. By all means pick one guy to go ballistic.

[vvvslaxman 6,991]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

No changes to the top 4. May be Pandya at 5. Pant probably at #6 

If it is 260 they should play like the target is only 200 :) 

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3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

If it is 260 they should play like the target is only 200 :) 

In Bhajji’s term we have to bat one and bat big  but I would like to see KL or Dhawan stepping up and making a big contribution it cannot be Virat everytime.

[Nikola 1,432]

Ashwin, Pandya and Pant then Ishant before Shami (can slog 10 - 15 runs).

[jalebi_bhai 1,563]

Won't change the order. 

 

Assuming that we'll be chasing 260-270:

 

Openers: don't expect more than 50-60 runs from them combined. Anything more is a bonus. But 60 odd will still be ok.

 

Remaining deficit: 210-220.

 

Pujara, Kohli and Rahane will have to collectively score at least 120. One of them will have to step up and get a big score. Pujara and Kohli's form is encouraging.

 

Remaining deficit: <100-90 runs

 

This is where things will get jittery. Pant, Pandya and Ashwin are wild cards. Ashwin, in particular, can hardly put a foot right in this game. Their job will be to score the bulk of those remaining 100 runs and leave little for the tail to do. 

 

Definitely a tough ask but not impossible. Have to hold our nerve when it matters. One 3 digit partnership from our boys and we'll very likely pull this off.

 

 

[sensible-indian 1,459]

Actually in a weird way, chasing a higher total may help us.

 

It's high enough that no one expects us to chase it down but not so high enough that it crushes us psychologically (like a 400 would do).

 

And that means batsmen can play without pressure.

 

Just be positive. Leave the good balls and for the bad balls, GIVE THE FULL MONTY.

 

Dhawan and Rahul are super super super crucial and their attacking game might benefit us. I would drop Pujara down the order in casse anything goes wrong and we have to shut shop.

 

Dhawan

Rahul

Rahane

Kohli

Pant

Pandya

Pujara
Ashwin

Ishant

Shami

Bumrah

 

Go for it.

 

We have nothing to lose.

Edited September 1 by sensible-indian

[sensible-indian 1,459]

If you play off Moeen, runs are there for the taking on this track.

 

The key to playing off Moeen is NOT to attack him but to play off his good balls. He WILL give you easy balls to hit.

 

Last innings, inspite of a 5fer, he went at almost 4 rpo.

 

In fact almost 5 rpo after we were 8 down.

 

Attacking him will lead to our destruction. Playing him like a top quality spinner may turn it around for us.

Edited September 1 by sensible-indian

[WeStMiDz 616]

9 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Actually in a weird way, chasing a higher total may help us.

 

It's high enough that no one expects us to chase it down but not so high enough that it crushes us psychologically (like a 400 would do).

 

And that means batsmen can play without pressure.

 

Just be positive. Leave the good balls and for the bad balls, GIVE THE FULL MONTY.

 

Dhawan and Rahul are super super super crucial and their attacking game might benefit us. I would drop Pujara down the order in casse anything goes wrong and we have to shut shop.

 

Dhawan

Rahul

Rahane

Kohli

Pant

Pandya

Pujara
Ashwin

Ishant

Shami

Bumrah

 

Go for it.

 

We have nothing to lose.

Last inning's unbeaten centurion at number 7 - I thought you were a sensible indian 

[sensible-indian 1,459]

14 minutes ago, WeStMiDz said:

Last inning's unbeaten centurion at number 7 - I thought you were a sensible indian 

I forgot there were 2 more days left.

 

Anyways, one of the big problems we might face is that our lower order bats may not feel confident batting on their own.

 

Pandya and Ashwin batting with 50 to win is a scary situation. It may work but odds are it won't.

 

By dropping Pujara down the order, we give stability to our lower order if something goes wrong (mini collapse). This is all assuming our openers get off to a flier and we continue attacking with other bats.

 

But then there is also a good chance this pitch has turned into a flattish SC track in which case, Pujara up the order can control the innings better.

 

I don't mind experimenting. I suppose Pujara at 3 is the safer option.

 

But last 80 odd runs, we need a Kohli or Pujara in one end. That's for sure. A set Rahane might do as well.

Edited September 1 by sensible-indian

[WeStMiDz 616]

If there is a heavy dose of spin as expected, I do hope one of Pant/Pandya are given some license.

[zen 5,667]

If Rahane does well at 5, it is great. If he fails, it would put a lot of pressure on youngsters Pandya and Pant .... Having Rahane at 7 can help the youngsters to play more naturally 

Edited September 1 by zen

[prasen82 235]

 

i had this same thought and the OP has opened the thread and looks like most fans have this feeling.

 

rahane needs to be at 6 .

 

i think we need to give license to rahul, shikhar, pandya and pant to go ballistic  or play natural game with some changes too their crease position ( score like sehwag) and pujara, kohli, rahane, ashwin to rotate strike.

 

i dont want pant and pandya coming one after another. if they have a less S/R batsman with them maybe they can play their natural game better.

 

This would be my batting order : shikhar rahul pujara kohli pant/pandya  rahane pandya/pant ashwin  ishant shami bumrah

 

 

Edited September 1 by prasen82

[rkt.india 10,862]

No idea why people bring Sehwag! He averages 23 in 2nd innings, FFS. Apart from one game in Chennai, he did jack while chasing targets.

[rtmohanlal 850]

no need of changing order.  All players need to perform  their roles with a positive  frame of mind.That is the best chance to fetch a win.

Almost 2 days are left... Both time and no: of overs will not at all be a problem. So playing with confidence is the key.

[ravishingravi 434]

I honestly would ask Dhawan to charge the fast bowlers. At this stage, I don't think he has much chance.

 

He gets 40 off 50. India is 100 for 2. Throw Moeen off. Preferably Rahul is facing him and attacking him. 

 

India should be positive. We will not be able to brazen it out. I would promote Hardik and Pant. You need all experienced players when chasing last 100 runs.

[express bowling 23,781]

1. Same batting order

 

2. We should look to play positively by putting away the bad balls ... but don't chase wide deliveries and don't play improvised shots.  Leave a lot of outside-off stump deliveries as usual.

 

3. Get set first ... and don't gift one's wicket.

 

4. Don't think about the target and put pressure on oneself.  This is not a LOI with over limitations.  Just bat on like above.

 

 

[GautiMaan 490]

It's time to try a funky batting order,all our overseas chases of the past few years we have gone with the conservative option and it has not worked.Wouldnt mind Pant opening() and Rahul at 3

 

This might also mean that Rahul doesnt have to deal with too many inswingers and he's around when the spinners come on which is very crucial  

[Straight Drive 2,046]

Wish we had reversed batting order today Atleast the tailender might have tonked couple of sixer's instead of meekly surrendering like top order.