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Openers have been losing their places, Vijay, Dhawan, Rahul all have faced the axe. 

 

Pujara lost his spot. Rahane lost with concerns around their position and batting.

 

Team will try to find players for all those positions.

 

But they need 1 proper batsman for no 6 position too. Someone who can actually take advantage of favorable conditions.

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I think the batting problems begin and end with the openers. We need two openers in the mold of Vijay(from our last round of overseas tours). 

 

The 3-5 are always exposed to the new ball because our openers are never able to even form 50 run partnerships overseas. Even if they don't score, openers should at least blunt/soften the new ball and tire our the opening bowlers in their first spells. 

 

Right now the older Vijay and mediocre at best Rahul/Dhawan are truly millstones around the neck of the team's batting.  

 

We need to get over the Sehwag obsession: he is a once in a lifetime type batsman; neither Dhawan nor Rahul are going to replicate him. Proper openers for us need to grind people to dust like Sunny. 

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Whether we need an extra batsmen or an extra bowler will always be debated. The composition depends up on your strengths and options available 

 

  • Extra Batsman: Play extra batsman when your batting is the key strength. And you have batsmen capable of averaging 40+ in the reserves. If you have batsmen struggling, the struggling extra batsman does not necessarily strengthen the side 
  • Extra Bowler: Play extra bowler to further boost your bowling strength and when you have bowlers who can bowl at a SR of 55

India neither has strong batting nor bowling. It has a few good batsmen and a few good bowlers. Therefore it would need to first optimize the 5 batting slots and 4 bowling slots

 

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On a serious note, the game has become so hectic and professional that batsmen do not have the time to work on their traditional test batting skills. 

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50 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

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Beg him!

He was legendary in England. In similar conditions, top order sucked even more and he continued to be good lower down the order. A better keeper/bat like him would have turned these losses into wins. Our bowling is so good nowadays, it sucks to lose games due to batting.

Dhoni in England:

Avg 37 @ no. 6

Avg 41 @ no. 7

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1 minute ago, Sgattick10 said:

Alright if he has good technique and temparament we can try him as an opener too in tests. Our openers dont do much in overseas anyway.

he is not an opener

Mazak hai kya kisiko bhi open krwa do 

Shaw, mayank gadhe hai jo domestic, A games men run bna rhe hai bhar bhar ke

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16 minutes ago, Sgattick10 said:

Lmao. The guy couldnt put bat to ball in SL :cantstop:

T20 's vs tests. Different format different pitch different boundary dimensions batspeed bowling restrictions.. Line length totally different games. 

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9 minutes ago, Sgattick10 said:

Alright if he has good technique and temparament we can try him as an opener too in tests. Our openers dont do much in overseas anyway.

He will get binary digits if he faced new balls for that you need openers. 

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2 hours ago, wanted_desi said:

I think its time to invest in part time spinner, who can bat at #6. Play with 4 proper fast bowlers. Is there anyone in Domestic circuits? 

JAYANT YADAV....that guy did very well with the bat against England in India. Not to be seen since then. So pathetic that he was discarded...his batting alone would have saved us..hell even Bhuvi would have been very good. Now that I think of it, Rahane scorws century in England cuz bhuvi was batting nicely at the other end....like I said...without someone one to support him he won't do jack. 

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No we dnt 

We need an all rounder at 6th position, None of our batsman bowls and when u hve bwoelr who clock 140K + its important to give them few overs breather . Last game when ashwin was injured had pandya not been their we cud have been in trouble n lets not forget when zak broke in 2011, u cnt jst go with only 4 bowlers 

We have pant who is a good enough batsman, Ashwin n bhuvi in lower order are very capable as well

 

6th batsman is a defensive strategy , the problem is 4 out of 5 batsman is jst not consistent and 6th wont make a lot of diff .

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Just now, Straight Drive said:

Haven't seen Vijay Shankar bat in LIST A  Is he any good for longer format. Is he really No 6 batsman for international level. Or is he more of No. 7 test level.

yes he is really good 

Infact few of us has been suggesting here keep him n pandya both in overseas n play acc to pitch .....this will also help pandya workload

Pandya bowling is better and vijays batting 

He can bat at 6, infact ill say 5 .........

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Vijay Shankar ( if he can perform) is just the prototype all rounder Ind needs, a capable batsman who can bowl a bit.You know for certain he is a batsman who can bowl to provide rest for bowlers.

With Pandya,the captain doesn't trust his bowling enough and as a result doesn't bowl him enough and in so far as his batting is concerned,I maintain a player with such feeble numbers in domestic can't be allowed to learn art of batsmanship in test cricket.He is no prodigy either.

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9 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Openers have been losing their places, Vijay, Dhawan, Rahul all have faced the axe. 

 

Pujara lost his spot. Rahane lost with concerns around their position and batting.

 

Team will try to find players for all those positions.

 

But they need 1 proper batsman for no 6 position too. Someone who can actually take advantage of favorable conditions.

Yes they need to do that. nair should get the opportunity.

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1 hour ago, MK55 said:

WTH Bumrah and Shami bowled 30 overs in an innings????

They'll be forced to drop pace if this continues else they won't survive.

It's idiotic to play with just 4 bowlers of which 2 have to ability to bowl 140+.  

 

If your batsmen are devoid of skill, replace them rather than forcing these bowlers to stress their body.

The bowlers won't be effective and we will keep having scenarios where the lower order of the opposition takes the game away.

Well said, this post shud be a part of this topic as well

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the non performance of batsman  have had a cascading effect on bowlers and i agree with folks here who have stated that we need 5 bowlers.

 

pandya cannot be purely taken in a bowler. we would be better off taking a siraj in here. have a much better chance. pandya inspires no confidence with bat and at least with proper 5 bowlers we can go all out and give the desired rest for our pacers. Kohli has tried to feed more work to his workhorses while carrying more deadwood ( read openers ).

 

dhawan should have been dropped and we should have opened with pujara. Rahul though he scored a bit today leaves a lot to be desired with his footwork and head position.

 

we will lose this test which is good, so that we can clear up some bagage.

 

for austalia considering pitches are going to be bouncy and batsman will last longer bowlers need to be kept fit which means we need 5 proper bowlers.

 

Prithvi

Mayank

Pujara

Kohli

Pant

Rahane/Vihari

Bhuvi>>Vijay shankar>>Pandya

Siraj

Ishant

Bumrah

Umesh/Bhuvi/Khaleel

 

 

this is a very inexperienced team but will ensure that pujara and rahane take up more responsibility . 

 

the main problem we have is we have 5 specialist batsmen who cannot roll their arms. so that can be only 4. So it would be a musical chair between Openers and Rahane. Else we need to move pujara to Open and get one batting and bowling all rounder in 6 and 7 .

 

Batting AR - Vihari( semi), Vijay Shankar

Bowling AR - Ashwin, Jadeja,Bhuvi, Hardik

 

depending on type of pitch we need to decide whether we go for 6 + 5 combo or 5 +2 + 4 or 7 + 4

 

and no ashwin does not walk into test side overseas automatically. he will compete with the others and come in depending on type of pitch.

 

The more you think about this rahane role is redundant. if vihari can bat at 80% rahane level and bowl 5-10 overs per test innings he would be far more valuable.

 

 

 

 

 

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We need 3 Dhawans and 3 Rahanes = 6 batsmen who will make all the difference :rolleyes:

 

Add drop catches to the mix as well 

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13 minutes ago, prasen82 said:

now that rahane, rahul, dhawan get dropped for WI series what should be the team combo.

Rahul / ?

Shaw

Pujara

Kohli

Gill / Vihari / ?

Pant / Saha

Pandya

4 bowlers. In Ind, 2 pacers + 2 spinners 

 

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8 minutes ago, zen said:

Rahul / ?

Shaw

Pujara

Kohli

Gill / ?

Pant / Saha

Pandya

4 bowlers. In Ind, 2 pacers + 2 spinners 

 

saha will not recover in time for australia series. so we are done with saha. 

 

I will play pandya only if he can last a average of 50-60 balls/ test innings and score at average of 30+ effective runs. runs scored after we take a lead or going after bowlers do not count. his wickets are a plus and he should be able to bowl for 10 over a day not leaking more than 3 rpo.

 

rahul will mostly fail in second innings. there is no way they will retain him for WI and australia series.

 

if mayank does not get a chance for WI series its a grave injustice. so my guess is mayank and shaw will open. who knows they can be the new gambo/sehwag or vijay/dhawan.

 

Rahul i feel will go the rohit way. we were lucky to get a kohli else this team is taking us back to late 80s with their batting .

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1 minute ago, prasen82 said:

I will play pandya only if he can last a average of 50-60 balls/ test innings and score at average of 30+ effective runs. runs scored after we take a lead or going after bowlers do not count. his wickets are a plus and he should be able to bowl for 10 over a day not leaking more than 3 rpo.

Pandya is very good in subcon. Avg 60 with the bat and has an avg difference of 30+ 

 

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Player Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave DiffDescending  
HH Pandya 4 249 108 62.25 1 4 2/31 29.75 0 4 0 32.50 investigate this query
UT Yadav 6 54 26* - 0 15 3/26 29.06 0 2 0 - investigate this query
RA Jadeja 6 145 70* 36.25 0 29 5/152 23.03 1 2 0 13.21 investigate this query
Kuldeep Yadav 1 26 26 26.00 0 5 4/40 19.20 0 0 0 6.80 investigate this query
Mohammed Shami 5 93 30 23.25 0 19 4/100 23.47 0 2 0 -0.22 investigate this query
B Kumar 1 21 13 10.50 0 8 4/8 12.00 0 0 0 -1.49 investigate this query
R Ashwin 7 170 54 21.25 0 34 5/69 25.23 1 1 0 -3.98 investigate this query
I Sharma 3 8 8 8.00 0 12 3/37 21.25 0 2 0 -13.24

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, prasen82 said:

now that rahane, rahul, dhawan get dropped for WI series what should be the team combo.

Against Wi

 

Shaw

Rahul

Pujara

Nair

vihari

Pandya

Pant

Ashwin (captain)

Jadeja

Siraj

Saini

 

Rest kohli for while, he has back issue and he needs to get some rest now....that also allows us to try other batsman 

 

This wud be my lineup but not final coz i wud like to see the timeline for NZ-A tour (coz i wish both pujara n rahane are send their to prep for A-tour)

Drop rahane , send him with A-team to NZ to prep for Aus tour. Ranji men bhi huggega hi 

 

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3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Against Wi

 

Shaw

Rahul

Pujara

Nair

Pujara

Pandya

Pant

Ashwin (captain)

Jadeja

Siraj

Saini

 

Rest kohli for while, he has back issue and he needs to get some rest now....that also allows us to try other batsman 

 

This wud be my lineup but not final coz i wud like to see the timeline for NZ-A tour (coz i wish both pujara n rahane are send their to prep for A-tour)

Drop rahane , send him with A-team to NZ to prep for Aus tour. Ranji men bhi huggega hi 

 

You want to bat Pujara twice?

 

Shaw

Rahul

Pujara

Nair

Vihari

Shankar

Pant/Karthik

Ashwin (c)

Jadeja

Umesh

Siraj

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3 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

You want to bat Pujara twice?

 

Shaw

Rahul

Pujara

Nair

Vihari

Shankar

Pant/Karthik

Ashwin (c)

Jadeja

Umesh

Siraj

pandya shud play in india as his batting will develop only when he scores runs n gets some confidence, also his bowling is wud be more suited in Indian condition then shankar. another option ,shankar can also be played and pandya can be send to NZ on A tour 

 

Karthik shud be nowere in picture now , pant shud play and get some runs under his belt to get his confidence going 

 

both are facing a wc bowling unit in their own backyard in helpful conditions which is not easy for anyone, if others are allowed to makeup their avg at home so shud they be to and they need that confidence to or else self doubts will creep in 

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Our batting in Eng so far. There have been only 2 batsmen among the specialists: 

 

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Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli 5 9 0 593 149 65.88 1024 57.91 2 3 0 67 1 investigate this query
CA Pujara 4 7 1 278 132* 46.33 723 38.45 1 1 0 33 0 investigate this query
GH Vihari 1 1 1 25 25* - 50 50.00 0 0 0 3 1 investigate this query
AM Rahane 5 9 0 220 81 24.44 533 41.27 0 2 1 22 0 investigate this query
HH Pandya 4 8 1 164 52* 23.42 288 56.94 0 1 1 26 1 investigate this query
S Dhawan 4 7 0 161 44 23.00 286 56.29 0 0 0 23 0 investigate this query
R Ashwin 4 8 2 126 33* 21.00 177 71.18 0 0 0 19 1 investigate this query
KL Rahul 5 9 0 150 37 16.66 226 66.37 0 0 1 24 0 investigate this query
RR Pant 3 5 0 48 24 9.60 106 45.28 0 0 1 5 2 investigate this query
RA Jadeja 1 1 1 8 8* - 10 80.00 0 0 0 2 0 investigate this query
M Vijay 2 4 0 26 20 6.50 75 34.66 0 0 2 4 0 investigate this query
I Sharma 5 7 1 33 14 5.50 79 41.77 0 0 2 4 0 investigate this query
KD Karthik 2 4 0 21 20 5.25 58 36.20 0 0 2 2 0 investigate this query
Mohammed Shami 5 8 1 26 10* 3.71 36 72.22 0 0 3 3 0 investigate this query
JJ Bumrah 3 3 1 6 6 3.00 33 18.18 0 0 1 0 0 investigate this query
UT Yadav 1 2 2 1 1* - 24 4.16 0 0 0 0 0 investigate this query
Kuldeep Yadav 1 2 0 0 0 0.00 18 0.00 0 0 2 0 0

 

 

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