Feel proud of some performances.

[ravishingravi]

Yes. I don’t feel totally dejected. I loved the fight our team showed. Kohli and Rahane battled like warriors.  There are some clear passengers which we need to offload. But the base for a great team is there. With all the IPL practice, we are not producing great all round batsmen. So, we have no choice but persist with good ones. 

 

Rahul/ Shaw

———-

Pujara

Kohli

Rahane

Jadeja / Kuldeep

Bhuvi

Pant / Kartik

Shami

Bumrah

Ishant 

 

Cosch :- Dravid 

 

Hardik and Ashwin need to go. It’s not a question of teaching them a lesson. But I think there was a basic application issue here. They were not in for a fight. 

[zen]

3 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Hardik and Ashwin need to go. It’s not a question of teaching them a lesson. But I think there was a basic application issue here. They were not in for a fight. 

Hardik has 10 wkts and 164 runs 

 

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Player	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
V Kohli	4	544	149	68.00	2	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
CA Pujara	3	241	132*	48.20	1	-	-	-	-	0	0	-
AM Rahane	4	220	81	27.50	0	-	-	-	-	3	0	-
S Dhawan	3	158	44	26.33	0	-	-	-	-	2	0	-
HH Pandya	4	164	52*	23.42	0	10	5/28	24.70	1	0	0	-1.27
R Ashwin	4	126	33*	21.00	0	11	4/62	32.72	0	1	0	-11.72
KL Rahul	4	113	36	14.12	0	-	-	-	-	11	0	-
RR Pant	2	43	24	10.75	0	-	-	-	-	10	0	-
M Vijay	2	26	20	6.50	0	-	-	-	-	0	0	-
I Sharma	4	33	14	5.50	0	15	5/51	24.13	1	0	0	-18.63
KD Karthik	2	21	20	5.25	0	-	-	-	-	5	0	-
Mohammed Shami	4	26	10*	3.71	0	14	4/57	31.42	0	1	0	-27.71
JJ Bumrah	2	6	6	3.00	0	11	5/85	19.90	1	1	0	-16.90
UT Yadav	1	1	1*	-	0	3	2/20	25.33	0	0	0	-
Kuldeep Yadav	1	0	0	0.00	0	0	-	-	0	0	0	-

[ravishingravi]

Like I said. It is not about getting them out. Even Ashwin did well in first test. But they were not in this fight. That’s the point. 

[zen]

3 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

Like I said. It is not about getting them out. Even Ashwin did well in first test. But they were not in this fight. That’s the point. 

Whatever works for you .... but note that Pandya has done better than Dhawan (also dropped catches), Rahul, Ashwin, Rahane, Karthik, etc. in this series so far

Edited September 2, 2018 by zen

[rkt.india]

Only thing to savour is our fast bowlers didn't give up seeing the flat conditions in 2nd innings. We would usually concede 400 plus in such conditions. Batting was horrendous. 245 was very much chaseable there on that pitch.

[R.D forever]

25 minutes ago, zen said:

Hardik has 10 wkts and 164 runs 

 

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Player	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
V Kohli	4	544	149	68.00	2	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
CA Pujara	3	241	132*	48.20	1	-	-	-	-	0	0	-
AM Rahane	4	220	81	27.50	0	-	-	-	-	3	0	-
S Dhawan	3	158	44	26.33	0	-	-	-	-	2	0	-
HH Pandya	4	164	52*	23.42	0	10	5/28	24.70	1	0	0	-1.27
R Ashwin	4	126	33*	21.00	0	11	4/62	32.72	0	1	0	-11.72
KL Rahul	4	113	36	14.12	0	-	-	-	-	11	0	-
RR Pant	2	43	24	10.75	0	-	-	-	-	10	0	-
M Vijay	2	26	20	6.50	0	-	-	-	-	0	0	-
I Sharma	4	33	14	5.50	0	15	5/51	24.13	1	0	0	-18.63
KD Karthik	2	21	20	5.25	0	-	-	-	-	5	0	-
Mohammed Shami	4	26	10*	3.71	0	14	4/57	31.42	0	1	0	-27.71
JJ Bumrah	2	6	6	3.00	0	11	5/85	19.90	1	1	0	-16.90
UT Yadav	1	1	1*	-	0	3	2/20	25.33	0	0	0	-
Kuldeep Yadav	1	0	0	0.00	0	0	-	-	0	0	0	-

U keep posting this without any context. Break down the numbers. Yes he has the numbers but he never looked comfortable with the bat the whole series. Runs are bloated cause of the 3rd innings 52 when we played for declaration. Even today Ashwin and pant were better than him. If u want to waste that position with a bits and pieces allrounder then I would rather waste it with Ashwin

[bowl_out]

32 minutes ago, zen said:

Hardik has 10 wkts and 164 runs 

 

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V Kohli	4	544	149	68.00	2	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
CA Pujara	3	241	132*	48.20	1	-	-	-	-	0	0	-
AM Rahane	4	220	81	27.50	0	-	-	-	-	3	0	-
S Dhawan	3	158	44	26.33	0	-	-	-	-	2	0	-
HH Pandya	4	164	52*	23.42	0	10	5/28	24.70	1	0	0	-1.27
R Ashwin	4	126	33*	21.00	0	11	4/62	32.72	0	1	0	-11.72
KL Rahul	4	113	36	14.12	0	-	-	-	-	11	0	-
RR Pant	2	43	24	10.75	0	-	-	-	-	10	0	-
M Vijay	2	26	20	6.50	0	-	-	-	-	0	0	-
I Sharma	4	33	14	5.50	0	15	5/51	24.13	1	0	0	-18.63
KD Karthik	2	21	20	5.25	0	-	-	-	-	5	0	-
Mohammed Shami	4	26	10*	3.71	0	14	4/57	31.42	0	1	0	-27.71
JJ Bumrah	2	6	6	3.00	0	11	5/85	19.90	1	1	0	-16.90
UT Yadav	1	1	1*	-	0	3	2/20	25.33	0	0	0	-
Kuldeep Yadav	1	0	0	0.00	0	0	-	-	0	0	0	-

That’s at least the tenth thread that you have posted this in. 

[zen]

4 minutes ago, R.D forever said:

U keep posting this without any context. Break down the numbers. Yes he has the numbers but he never looked comfortable with the bat the whole series. Runs are bloated cause of the 3rd innings 52 when we played for declaration. Even today Ashwin and pant were better than him. If u want to waste that position with a bits and pieces allrounder then I would rather waste it with Ashwin

Pandya won us a test. It is because of his game changing spell that Ind has something to talk about .... People know he is not a consistent performer. This is his first season and is going through the learning curve .... while Ashwin is a veteran of 62 tests and isn't even able to compete with a "bits and pieces" player .... therefore, we have to promote the youngster for the AR slot .... Ashwin can only come in if he is bowling well and competes for the spot among 4 specialist bowlers for now 

Edited September 2, 2018 by zen

[zen]

3 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

That’s at least the tenth thread that you have posted this in. 

yes, to educate

[Vilander]

13 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Only thing to savour is our fast bowlers didn't give up seeing the flat conditions in 2nd innings. We would usually concede 400 plus in such conditions. Batting was horrendous. 245 was very much chaseable there on that pitch.

When kohli went it was over but for some brilliance from rahane and daring from pant.  Batting begins with puj ends with rahane that is poor for Afghanistan standards haha.. It's needs new faces. 

 

 

[Vilander]

1 minute ago, zen said:

Pandya won us a test. It is because of his game changing spell that Ind has something to talk about .... People know he is not a consistent performer. This is his first season and is going through the learning curve .... while Ashwin is a veteran of 62 tests and isn't even able to compete with a "bits and pieces" player .... therefore, we have to promote the youngster for the AR slot .... Ashwin can only come in if he is bowling well and competes for the spot among 4 specialist bowlers for now 

You are right about Ashwin and wrong about Pandya. He needed to show some application this test completely out of his depth in batting and bowling. 

[zen]

Just now, Vilander said:

You are right about Ashwin and wrong about Pandya. He needed to show some application this test completely out of his depth in batting and bowling. 

Agree that at the moment he is inconsistent. But as I said, he is a youngster and going through the learning curve .... I am backing him  as I expect him to get better .... His batting avg would go up in the subcon, already has 1 100 and 2 50s iirc .... In bowling, he does well when he gets a relatively harder ball like in the 3rd test 

[Jimmy Cliff]

Missing @kira today. Would've sorted out all the phateechars who've predictably come out of their caves.

[ravishingravi]

I don’t know where the term “moral victory” was mentioned. I guess some are mind readers here. 

Edited September 2, 2018 by ravishingravi

[R.D forever]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Agree that at the moment he is inconsistent. But as I said, he is a youngster and going through the learning curve .... I am backing him  as I expect him to get better .... His batting avg would go up in the subcon, already has 1 100 and 2 50s iirc .... In bowling, he does well when he gets a relatively harder ball like in the 3rd test 

And how many matches should we lose for him to learn?? 4 & 0 and 1 wicket in a test match is not what I expect from all rounder. And definitely not someone playing at no 6. Sam Curran is much more talented than pandya and he plays at 8. 

[zen]

Just now, R.D forever said:

And how many matches should we lose for him to learn?? 4 & 0 and 1 wicket in a test match is not what I expect from all rounder. And definitely not someone playing at no 6. Sam Curran is much more talented than pandya and he plays at 8. 

12-15 tests including a decent number in the subcon .... at the end of the day, we can discuss all we want but it is up to the team management .... if there are more promising youngsters, I would want them in too 

[ravishingravi]

29 minutes ago, InziRules said:

I post this multiple times amount on Pakpassion as well, like after our loss away to Australia, so I'll just say it again

 

We're not Bangladesh. There are no positives from losing a series, except maybe some potential. Especially nothing to be proud of. A moral victory is still a loss

 

There are actually positive depending how you lose. The team is young and at right age. Most teams are strong at home. Few are able to compete and challenge away. India and SA are the only two at the moment. 

 

So. No loss of face in losing. Just continue the get stronger abroad. In 3 years, they will be here again. 

[ravishingravi]

1 minute ago, zen said:

12-15 tests including a decent number in the subcon .... at the end of the day, we can discuss all we want but it is up to the team management .... if there are more promising youngsters, I would want them in too 

He should be in squad. But I think wrap is called for after this test. 

[R.D forever]

1 minute ago, zen said:

12-15 tests including a decent number in the subcon .... at the end of the day, we can discuss all we want but it is up to the team management .... if there are more promising youngsters, I would want them in too 

Pull up Pandyas FC record. Check his stats. The guy was fast tracked and it is not working. He is promising but he has to play more FC matches

[Vilander]

4 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

I don’t know where the term “moral victory” was mentioned. I guess some are mind readers here. 

Pakistani always invent stuff to falsely equalise themselves with India.. It's due to their feeling of inferior self worth. It's best to acknowledge and move on.