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A series is not always defined by the scorecard - Virat Kohli

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Virat Kohli's press conference.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-videos/32963/a-series-is-not-always-defined-by-the-scorecard-virat-kohli

 

I would think that Kohli should not go in the lines of "Process is more important than results".

 

OWN up your loss and move on. Do not repeat the mistakes and get the right results in the future. 

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He's not totally wrong. This series has been fantastic, barring the 2nd test which was an abomination. How close the 1st and 4th tests were and how agonizing the defeats were were great advertisements for Test cricket.

 

Even though the series line is 3-1, it is nothing like the last two tours of 4-0 or 3-1. That doesn't mean there isn't room to improve, but we are close, IMO. 

 

That said, Kohli needs to work on finding new openers and needs to work on his on field captaincy. If bowlers are proving ineffective, he needs to be more proactive and change them. Also being a supposed good captain for fast bowlers, he sure didn't trust them when he needed to. Instead we got Ashwin's nonsense, over after over. 

 

 

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Yada yada yada...

 

Its a results business and have lost the series, as happened in South Africa and is likely to happen in Australia. This is not exactly a young team as most of them have been on previous tours so positive results should be expected. 

 

What makes it really depressing is that this was a pretty weak Eng that were there for the taking. Unlikely that such an opportunity will present itself on the next Eng tour. 

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Satiya gaya hai. Series is not decided by scorecard. :facepalm: 

 

So it's decided by who has the whitest clothes, who has tied shoe laces well, who has the best branded bat. Typical of government culture. Attendance lagao salary lo. Whether the top line or bottom line was met is useless for them. Similarly who cares for the results. It's the trait of losers. When one cannot meet the goals, the goal posts are changed.

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Such a negative mindset captain. When the captain is happy with loss how will he motivate others to win series. Setting low expectations even in the early part of his captaincy career. In this phase of his captaincy career he should be showing more intent and stressing the importance of winning the series.

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During 2014 we had weaker team than this side also captain wasn't aggressive (according to some people) and still we were in series while playing 5th test here our captain kohli (100 times more aggressive) with like twice better side with very good bowling attack has failed against a pretty avg england side which has so many flaws. Arrogant captain deserves this series loss for what he did with anil kumble.

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I haven't seen the press conference so I'm not sure what he means exactly. One interpretation that I will agree with is that the 3-1 scoreline does not indicate the competitive nature of at least 2 tests.

 

And yes, I certainly hope he does not mean "as long as process ..". I will also pick Virat over Dhoni hundred times out of hundred when it comes to test captaincy. Despite his faults, he looks to have the fire in his belly, his performances & involvement in the game speak it out loud. Dhoni was the complete opposite. Its not like I support expressive or emotional captaincy, as a long time Dravid fan I don't think its necessary. But Dhoni just seemed too casual in every way to my eye & Virat is an improvement, hopefully still in the works.

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59 minutes ago, sourab10forever said:

Don't make stupid statements after a loss ffs :facepalm:

Very true. Such words are an insult to the fans who support the team. The same Kohli bullied journalists reminding them of the matches won by the team back when the team was raking up win after win in the SC. 

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Series are decided by:

 

1. Which coach finished the maximum number of whiskey bottles.

2. Which team had more players dressed neatly in whites

3. Which team practiced for more hours in nets during tour.

4. Which team had more number of net sessions during the tour.

5. Which team spent less amount on team expenses.

 

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1 hour ago, Tibarn said:

He's not totally wrong. This series has been fantastic, barring the 2nd test which was an abomination. How close the 1st and 4th tests were and how agonizing the defeats were were great advertisements for Test cricket.

 

Even though the series line is 3-1, it is nothing like the last two tours of 4-0 or 3-1. That doesn't mean there isn't room to improve, but we are close, IMO. 

 

That said, Kohli needs to work on finding new openers and needs to work on his on field captaincy. If bowlers are proving ineffective, he needs to be more proactive and change them. Also being a supposed good captain for fast bowlers, he sure didn't trust them when he needed to. Instead we got Ashwin's nonsense, over after over. 

 

 

You wrong. openers were fine.  Our problem was 5, 6, 7.   No opener is going to change the games in these conditions.  Our openers scored more than England. some 50 plus partnerships as well.  We need to work on batting of our 5, 6, 7, 8.  In these conditions, it is these numbers that make a difference.

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55 minutes ago, vayuu1 said:

Abey bc series is defined by results,tum kitna bhi bol lo the end scoreline is 3-1 after 4 matches, aur maje ki baat ye thi ki tumne experience ko tarjih di youth ke upar aur ek 20 saal ka gora hi tumhari maar ke chala gya. 

Typical zhopriwala attitude.." angur khattey hai"...

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13 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

You wrong. openers were fine.  Our problem was 5, 6, 7.   No opener is going to change the games in these conditions.  Our openers scored more than England. some 50 plus partnerships as well.  We need to work on batting of our 5, 6, 7, 8.  In these conditions, it is these numbers that make a difference.

You do know that England do know that there openers are a problem . Problem is they cant find a replacement

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20 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

The word process gives me joy:yay: :yay: 

 

It's easy for mohalla experts to sit here and comment on his post match. Try being in his place :cantstop: Ohh nvm aukat nahi hai. 

 

These guys are playing for private company and getting paid in millions. If they are #1 side they should win anywhere. With all talks before series everyone was expecting a series win against a pretty weak english side.

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12 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

You wrong. openers were fine.  Our problem was 5, 6, 7.   No opener is going to change the games in these conditions.  Our openers scored more than England. some 50 plus partnerships as well.  We need to work on batting of our 5, 6, 7, 8.  In these conditions, it is these numbers that make a difference.

I don't agree. They couldn't even blunt the new ball most matches. I don't think the English openers are the standard to go by here.

England has been going through openers for a while now, even Cook has been out of form the last few years.

 

We only play 5 specialist batsmen; if they don't score, at least passably, then one can't blame the lower order.   

 

If we are going to compare lower orders, the English batting lineup goes all the way to 10 with Anderson the only true tailender.  

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Were it not Kohli's words that "enough of processes. Now we'll have results!" ? How is he reverting back to processes?

At one time, pr even now, his favourite buzzword is "intent".

https://goo.gl/NpUqc7

 

So how about showing some intent in captaincy too, Mr Skipper!!!

Decoding ‘intent’, Virat Kohli’s buzzword

Many players were chosen, dropped several times without much of cricketing logic for outsiders. Maybe it was because they didn't show enough intent for Virat's liking.

“You can’t be in a zone of not having intent and see off 35-40 overs.”

So it was all the more interesting that Kohli still chose to talk about intent from his batsmen. Well, despite him not naming names, it wouldn’t take a NASA-employed scientist to figure out that he was talking about Cheteshwar Pujara and Rohit Sharma’s stubborn defiance in the first session on day two.

Kohli went on to elaborate:

“We need to have intent because the kind of bowling attack they have – especially on these pitches they get extra bounce and they get extra pace off the wicket – you can’t be in a zone of not having intent and see off 35-40 overs. You need to find the perfect balance to do well in South Africa especially where there is more bounce.

“You can’t just stand there and take whatever is coming your way and not have intent at all. You might get out, but it’s important to keep coming at the bowler and making them feel, ‘If you make an error I am going to score.’ So I think that message needs to go pretty strongly and you need to do that as a batting unit, collectively.”

This is not the first time Kohli has harped on about the need to score runs at a good clip, especially if the conditions are tough, to wrestle momentum away from opposition. It was a hot-topic when he captained the team for the first time outside the subcontinent, in West Indies in 2015. He was vocal about Pujara’s scoring rate, and even experimented with Rohit at No 3 on that tour, dropping Pujara.

And back playing Tests outside for the first time since that West Indies tour, intent has once again become the buzzword for Kohli.

Kohli was asked to explain what his idea of intent was, given his almost-pointed criticism of Pujara and Rohit’s approach.

Take it away, Virat.

“Intent doesn’t really mean that you have to go out there and start playing shots from ball one. Intent is there in a leave. Intent is there in defending as well. Intent is about being vocal out there in calling. All those things count as intent. Just the way your body language, the way you are thinking about the game. It gets portrayed in your body language. People can tell if you are playing with intent or not. 

“There will be tough moments but I think even the tough moments one needs to overcome through intent. Defending or leaving the ball, you need precise footwork to do that. And that only comes with a clear head and a positive intent in your head. That’s how I look at things. Even if I’m going to leave the ball, I need to do it with intent. My stride should be big enough to leave the ball, or defend it. So in my head I’m feeling positive about those things. Being positive doesn’t mean you are scoring every ball. But it’s understanding that you are in control of what you want to do. That’s how I break down intent.” 

 

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3 minutes ago, Khota said:

This is another CT cup moment for Kohli where after the loss he is seen laughing with Pakistani players.

 

He does not get it.

Don't think any other captain from any country, be it cricket or any team game being played at international level has made such a comment. It's laughable, especially coming from a captain of cricket team of a country where cricket is No. 1 sport, the team which is ranked No. 1. and has the best infrastructure as well as support for cricket players. 

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He can make any statement he wants after losing, but the truth is VK as a skipper in tests is nothing short of disappointment in 2018. We had the team, capable bowlers who took 20 wickets each time which previously didn't used to happen. But now a young batting unit, barring VK as an individual, has completely gone off track. 2 out of 3 matches are lost by a good margin, 60 runs is still a lot. 
You & your lot known as management is delusional.
It doesn't matter if you lose by a run or an innings, a loss is a freaking loss. 

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44 minutes ago, zen said:

Openers have usually played huge role in Ind's overseas wins 

Last time an opener scored a century in overseas win was way back in 1977.

 

0 100s in last 41 years.

 

Highest 97 by Gambhir against Zimbabwe.

 

They have contributed in some of wins. Anyone following Indian cricket for last 2 decades can tell you that it's not usually the case of playing huge roles.

 

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5 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Last time an opener scored a century in overseas win was way back in 1977.

 

0 100s in last 41 years.

 

Highest 97 by Gambhir against Zimbabwe.

 

They have contributed in some of wins. Anyone following Indian cricket for last 2 decades can tell you that it's not usually the case of playing huge roles.

 

who is talking about scoring centuries? a fighting 30-70 to take care of the new ball has set Ind up 

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2 minutes ago, zen said:

who is talking about scoring centuries? a fighting 30-40 to take care of the new ball has set Ind up 

Yes. As long as openers havent lost their wicket in first 15 overs and specially not in first 5-12 overs , They have done their 50% of job.

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1 hour ago, Straight Drive said:

Don't think any other captain from any country, be it cricket or any team game being played at international level has made such a comment. It's laughable, especially coming from a captain of cricket team of a country where cricket is No. 1 sport, the team which is ranked No. 1. and has the best infrastructure as well as support for cricket players. 

This is fireable offense from Kohli. he needs to go. Atleast get someone who cares about winning. It is a big deal to us.

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Kohli is just clueless. Whatever he says or show is all fake bollywood stuff. He has no clue about process or intent or anything else. Its just random things he says to make fool out of everyone. Get used to it. We will win next game and everything will be allright and people will continue to sing praises of how he is so awesome n all. lol

 

The good thing about our team is regardless of Kohli, our bowling is top notch and will always keep us close more often than not.

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2 hours ago, Nikola said:

These guys are playing for private company and getting paid in millions. If they are #1 side they should win anywhere. With all talks before series everyone was expecting a series win against a pretty weak english side.

What do you want them to say before the series ? hum se nahi hopayega bhaijaan ? :cantstop: England are pretty strong at home. We are the weak team here not them. 

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7 minutes ago, Turning_track said:

We dont have any option other than him. Other possible contenders come with a lot of if's & but's.

That is a defeatist attitude. There are plenty of options. The world does not reveolve around kohli.

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3 minutes ago, Khota said:

Three formats three capatains.

Kohli - Test

Rahane - ODI

Sharma - T20

 

This will put enough pressure on Kohli to start winning. If not than Bhuvi can be the captain.

Does he deserve a place in ODIS in first place ??? :stupid:

 

Bhuvi ? That Innocent boy is harmless. When Aussies sledge, he ll prob cry on the field begging them to stop bullying us. 

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2 hours ago, Khota said:

That is a defeatist attitude. There are plenty of options. The world does not reveolve around kohli.

Rahane has hell lot of issues with spin. Barring the last test vs Saffers at our home where he scored 2 centuries in a test, he didn't do anything of note in our grand home season except a test innings against NZ. 

Pujara with all his experience in his 9th year of international cricket, has to spend almost half a year in England but wakes up from slumber to perform only when our backs are up to the wall in do or die situation. In SENA, he has scored in only flat Joburg, 2013 & this one at Rose Bowl. 

Kohli,for all his tactical & strategic mistakes, at least scores in all situations & is a top scorer from either of the sides. It is natural to have him lead the team. Everybody will favor him only & I don't blame them for it. Had Ashwin not been oversmart & put down his head, did his duty honestly then who knows.

2 hours ago, Khota said:

Three formats three capatains.

Kohli - Test

Rahane - ODI

Sharma - T20

 

This will put enough pressure on Kohli to start winning. If not than Bhuvi can be the captain.

First of all, he doesn't deserve a place in any of the shorter formats. Him being kept forcibly in t20s & that too in opening slot has hurt us big time in not even one but two t20 WCs. He should focus on tests, also he doesn't have the ability to rotate strike fluently or has the power game to clear boundary with ease. Rahane of 2011 which went on England tour for limited over series was much better than Rahane of 2016.

Has Bhuvi captained before? As far as I know he hasn't.

Sharma for all his deficiencies has a knack for captaincy & I wouldn't have mind if he had been the skipper but I've never seen a player who struggles so much when the color of the ball changes. 

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