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https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/virat-kohli-sunil-gavaskar-india-vs-england-1331023-2018-09-03

 

"When you go in with five batsmen then you are bound to be in such a situation where you rely so much only on one player, Virat Kohli to get you the big hundreds. He can't do it every time, he's human.

South Africa, England and Australia were always going to be the toughest challenges for India and Kohli as captain but Gavaskar feels that even though the team did well on home soil and in places like Sri Lanka and West Indies, it hasn't performed up to its full potential in South Africa and England.

"To expect that the lower order (to save India after the top-order collapse) after that Kohli-Rahane partnership was broken, to get even another 60-70 runs was too much," Gavaskar said after the game.

"Everybody would be disappointed looking at the result because when Virat Kohli took over as captain, it seemed like the team would head into a new direction under him. The team looked hungry to win and seemed more hopeful of doing well under Kohli. Everyone thought that he will bring in a lot more josh, a lot more energy into the team. So quite naturally, there will be questions asked about his captaincy.

"If only the other batsmen could have played like him. If any other batsman could have scored over 400-500 runs then India wouldn't have lost Test series in South Africa and in England. This is like a learning curve for Kohli at the moment. Fans are bound to be disappointed as the expectations were quite high with this team. Looking at how they performed before this at home, in West Indies and in Sri Lanka, everybody were hoping to see history being made on foreign soil," Gavaskar told India Today in an exclusive chat after India lost the Southampton Test and also the series.

"Even the way in which India came back to beat Australia in the Test series last year after losing the first match, that gave us the impression that India wouldn't back down to any challenge under captain Kohli. It seemed India would always play with their heads held high. But the captain is only as good as his team. As a batsman Kohli has lived up to the expectations and even more. He has done everything possible as a batsman.

"Yes, when Virat took over captaincy, everybody thought that it will be a completely different way because you had MSD (MS Dhoni) who was cool, calm and collected and here was somebody who was very passionate. Not that being calm, cool and collected means that you are not passionate about winning but here was a person who had a completely different approach and outlook to the game," Gavaskar went on to add.

"Just like the captain, a coach is only as good as his team. If the team is not able to raise its level on the field, whatever you might tell them in the changing room or off the field in terms of motivation, won't help. You can't blame one person for it. Questions need to be asked of those persons, those individuals who are not able to raise the level of their game rather than a coach. The coaches are doing their best, they are working very hard. They can't play for them from the change room. They can only hope that what they have told the players is something that they will implement. If the players don't understand then I don't think that the coaching staff is to be blamed," Gavaskar said.

 

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So basically he is saying we need 6 batters here, a typical overstatement.

when your top 5 batters can't do shi*t right, don't think the 6th one will do  Wonders especially if the choice is Karun nair, another mental choker.

Kohli as a captain(except selection blunders) has done a descent job tbh, he has managed to restrict England on moderate totals in almost all the matches, was brilliant in batting too. Batting have let us down on crucial occasions especially his Maharashtra guy a choker hahaaane

A captain can only do a certain bit. 

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5 minutes ago, speedheat said:

So basically he is saying we need 6 batters here, a typical overstatement.

when your top 5 batters can't do shi*t right, don't think the 6th one will do  Wonders especially if the choice is Karun nair, another mental choker.

Kohli as a captain(except selection blunders) has done a descent job tbh, he has managed to restrict England on moderate totals in almost all the matches, was brilliant in batting too. Batting have let us down on crucial occasions especially his Maharashtra guy a choker hahaaane

A captain can only do a certain bit. 

First we have to optimize the 5 batting slots.  If the reserve is that good, he should replace the struggling batsman. By saying that we want the 6th batsman, we are in a way saying that we don't expect the struggling batsmen to do well and we don't want to replace them so we need a cover  

 

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4 minutes ago, zen said:

First we have to optimize the 5 batting slots.  If the reserve is that good, he should replace the struggling batsman. By saying that we want the 6th batsman, we are in a way saying that we don't expect the struggling batsmen to do well and we don't want to replace them so we need a cover  

 

Exactly.

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18 minutes ago, speedheat said:

So basically he is saying we need 6 batters here, a typical overstatement.

when your top 5 batters can't do shi*t right, don't think the 6th one will do  Wonders especially if the choice is Karun nair, another mental choker.

Kohli as a captain(except selection blunders) has done a descent job tbh, he has managed to restrict England on moderate totals in almost all the matches, was brilliant in batting too. Batting have let us down on crucial occasions especially his Maharashtra guy a choker hahaaane

A captain can only do a certain bit. 

even your kohli is a choker. At least rahane scored a half century. what has delhi boys done? ghanta?

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let the card read 4-1. 
We need to weed out atleast 3-4 players from this line up. 
Need a better coaching team , the present need to go ASAP.
Only when you are exposed big time , something will happen.
 
Why is shastri opposing appointment of dravid and zaheer khan? Kohli wants an easy coach.they will be tough task masters and the captain thinks he may not have a say. BCCI shouldn't succumb to their tactics. Mere motivation from coach is not enough.Dravid can be head coach cum batting consultant, Zak the bowling coach, fielding coach can be someone good, like Rhodes or robin.even Sridhar's has improved.

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10 hours ago, speedheat said:

So basically he is saying we need 6 batters here, a typical overstatement.

when your top 5 batters can't do shi*t right, don't think the 6th one will do  Wonders especially if the choice is Karun nair, another mental choker.

Kohli as a captain(except selection blunders) has done a descent job tbh, he has managed to restrict England on moderate totals in almost all the matches, was brilliant in batting too. Batting have let us down on crucial occasions especially his Maharashtra guy a choker hahaaane

A captain can only do a certain bit. 

If 5 batsman can score 200, 6 can score 240.

 

 

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11 hours ago, speedheat said:

So basically he is saying we need 6 batters here, a typical overstatement.

when your top 5 batters can't do shi*t right, don't think the 6th one will do  Wonders especially if the choice is Karun nair, another mental choker.

Kohli as a captain(except selection blunders) has done a descent job tbh, he has managed to restrict England on moderate totals in almost all the matches, was brilliant in batting too. Batting have let us down on crucial occasions especially his Maharashtra guy a choker hahaaane

A captain can only do a certain bit. 

We already have played 6 batsman under dhoni and failed in those games to, infact the only win that came at that time was with binny and even under kohli its with pandya n binnny 

If ur 5 batsman are not doing the job question those 5 batsman 

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1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

If 5 batsman can score 200, 6 can score 240.

 

 

if ur bowlers are bowling well that 5th one allows them to have that breather which allows the main bowler to bowl at full steam their all overs instead of managing their overs. Lets not forget 2013-14 SA n NZ tours where to much workload on fast bowlers resulted in them breaking down. N we dnt even have part timers now 

 

6th batsman is jst a defensive theory 

We aleardy have 5 + pant+ Pandya+ ashwin + bhuvi  aur kitna batting chahiye 

 

Hadnt it been for Pandya we wnt have won the 3rd test to. We won in Lords when we had binny 

 

Problem is Rahane is struggling , who was one of our best in overseas

Pujara - he avg around 30 in SA, AUS, ENG and 15 in NZ

Openers are no scoring 

 

6th batsman kya kr lega, and ur taking for guarnteed that he ll score runs. Aisa koi mahaan talent nhin bench pe. 

The likes of Dhawan has gone on 2 tours to SA n ENG n failed to score a single 50 same with rohit. Pujara is in his 2nd cycle of overseas and still is inconsistent. 

 

The min we go with 4th bowlers, Most overseas team will give us Pattas to test the stamina of our bowling coz they knw we dnt have a backup and someone like Shami can get injured anytime. Also consider the workload bhuvi n bumrah has .Surely we dnt want to end up with 3 bowlers

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

We already have played 6 batsman under dhoni and failed in those games to, infact the only win that came at that time was with binny and even under kohli its with pandya n binnny

Any good spin bowling all rounder with decent technique in domestics?? Off spin, leftarm spin or leg spin?

46 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

If ur 5 batsman are not doing the job question those 5 batsman

Exactly.

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2 minutes ago, speedheat said:

Any good spin bowling all rounder with decent technique in domestics?? Off spin, leftarm spin or leg spin?

Jayant, but his bowling cudnt command him a place in India forget overseas

Gopal can bat but dnt think his batting is good enough for overseas same with gowtham 

 

Shankar is the best batting all rounder acc to me but his bowling doesnt come even close to pandya

 

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3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

If 5 batsman can score 200, 6 can score 240.

 

 

Pant is a proper 6th batsman.  FC average of 54.5 before test debut ... averaged 62 in the 2 Unofficial tests in England 45 days back.

 

Pant has left balls well and played close to his body most of the time. Has rarely poked at outside off stump balls. Hasn't looked weak against the short ball either.   3 of his 4 dismissals were to good balls.  He can be and should be persisted with to solve the 6th batsman problem.

 

Pandya, averaging 31,  is not a No.6  yet ... but can be a No.7.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Shutup sunny 

u wanted rohit in this test series, u didnt have gr8 ideas either 

Why not question coach over his job to prepare the team

 

He is protecting cheerleader and to be honest Sunny contradicts himself after the first test he asked Dhawan to be dropped then after Lords test he complained why Dhawan was dropped.He claims constant changing of position of Che and Rahane has affected them.

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I can’t understand this forum mentality. If a teamhas full of more than 70% heck how can we win ? Actually in this tour no youngster has performed .actully kohli, Rahane and Pujara performed better than England top order. Let see one by one player batting performance        Rahul  has been poor since South Africa series  . Dhawan heck.pandya lol . Pant another heck . Ashwin poor . And three bowler who can’t scored ten runs . To Saala run kya keval Kohli , Rahane aur Pujara ko hi banane hai 

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3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Pant is a proper 6th batsman.  FC average of 54.5 before test debut ... averaged 62 in the 2 Unofficial tests in England 45 days back.

 

Pant has left balls well and played close to his body most of the time. Has rarely poked at outside off stump balls. Hasn't looked weak against the short ball either.   3 of his 4 dismissals were to good balls.  He can be and should be persisted with to solve the 6th batsman problem.

 

Pandya, averaging 31,  is not a No.6  yet ... but can be a No.7.

 

 

+1

 

Out before posters start claiming how Pandya performing better than 1000 other batsmen in series indicated he is proper no 6.

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8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

if ur bowlers are bowling well that 5th one allows them to have that breather which allows the main bowler to bowl at full steam their all overs instead of managing their overs. Lets not forget 2013-14 SA n NZ tours where to much workload on fast bowlers resulted in them breaking down. N we dnt even have part timers now 

 

6th batsman is jst a defensive theory 

We aleardy have 5 + pant+ Pandya+ ashwin + bhuvi  aur kitna batting chahiye 

 

Hadnt it been for Pandya we wnt have won the 3rd test to. We won in Lords when we had binny 

 

Problem is Rahane is struggling , who was one of our best in overseas

Pujara - he avg around 30 in SA, AUS, ENG and 15 in NZ

Openers are no scoring 

 

6th batsman kya kr lega, and ur taking for guarnteed that he ll score runs. Aisa koi mahaan talent nhin bench pe. 

The likes of Dhawan has gone on 2 tours to SA n ENG n failed to score a single 50 same with rohit. Pujara is in his 2nd cycle of overseas and still is inconsistent. 

 

The min we go with 4th bowlers, Most overseas team will give us Pattas to test the stamina of our bowling coz they knw we dnt have a backup and someone like Shami can get injured anytime. Also consider the workload bhuvi n bumrah has .Surely we dnt want to end up with 3 bowlers

 

 

 

why do we even need 5 , why not 4 or 3 ? 

 

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“This batting lineup hasn’t been making runs for a long time now. If you look at India’s overseas performances from 2011 until now, they have lost every big series. When Virat Kohli is at the crease it seems that he is playing against totally different bowlers as compared to when the other batsmen are batting. I believe that the batting ability of the current players has gone down,” Ganguly further added.

“Regarding Ravi Shastri, he has to be held accountable for the results along with Sanjay Bangar regarding why only one batsman is performing whereas others seem to have taken backward steps. Unless these questions are answered an overseas series win in the three countries looks impossible for India,” Ganguly told IndiaTV.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-vs-england-ravi-shastri-needs-to-he-held-accountable-for-india-s-results-says-sourav-ganguly/story-amp48on9VbWsb28LfXXdQL.html

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2 hours ago, Switchblade said:

“This batting lineup hasn’t been making runs for a long time now. If you look at India’s overseas performances from 2011 until now, they have lost every big series. When Virat Kohli is at the crease it seems that he is playing against totally different bowlers as compared to when the other batsmen are batting. I believe that the batting ability of the current players has gone down,” Ganguly further added.

“Regarding Ravi Shastri, he has to be held accountable for the results along with Sanjay Bangar regarding why only one batsman is performing whereas others seem to have taken backward steps. Unless these questions are answered an overseas series win in the three countries looks impossible for India,” Ganguly told IndiaTV.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-vs-england-ravi-shastri-needs-to-he-held-accountable-for-india-s-results-says-sourav-ganguly/story-amp48on9VbWsb28LfXXdQL.html

correct, its the batting nothing else

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6 hours ago, Switchblade said:

“This batting lineup hasn’t been making runs for a long time now. If you look at India’s overseas performances from 2011 until now, they have lost every big series. When Virat Kohli is at the crease it seems that he is playing against totally different bowlers as compared to when the other batsmen are batting. I believe that the batting ability of the current players has gone down,” Ganguly further added.

“Regarding Ravi Shastri, he has to be held accountable for the results along with Sanjay Bangar regarding why only one batsman is performing whereas others seem to have taken backward steps. Unless these questions are answered an overseas series win in the three countries looks impossible for India,” Ganguly told IndiaTV.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-vs-england-ravi-shastri-needs-to-he-held-accountable-for-india-s-results-says-sourav-ganguly/story-amp48on9VbWsb28LfXXdQL.html

 

The very same batting linup made runs last time we toured these countries , we had just 2-3 failures . 

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On 9/3/2018 at 1:05 PM, Switchblade said:

a coach is only as good as his team. If the team is not able to raise its level on the field, whatever you might tell them in the changing room or off the field in terms of motivation, won't help. You can't blame one person for it. Questions need to be asked of those persons, those individuals who are not able to raise the level of their game rather than a coach. The coaches are doing their best, they are working very hard. They can't play for them from the change room. They can only hope that what they have told the players is something that they will implement. If the players don't understand then I don't think that the coaching staff is to be blamed," Gavaskar said.

So he says dont blame his pal

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8 hours ago, jusarrived said:

so tell me what is a big difference between 4 and 5 batsmen ? the 5th batsmen never scores runs anyway , so why do we need him ?

Massive diff

who says 5th batsman is very important 

u play 5 batsman + 1 wk+ all rounder + 4 bowler

 

rahane has done well at 5 for us , we have been struggling with no.6 for very long 

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Sorry but Sunny does not make any sense.Captain is to be blamed but not coach.

 

I don't blame coach or captain for this at all, it is the players especially batsmen who are just so inept.Guy like Rahul who is so overhyped that people are coming up conspiracy theories on how Kohli is paranoid about Rahul.

 

 

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