Rahane, a regressed player?

[zen 8,695]

Rahane was supposed to be our 2nd best batsman in SENA type of conditions but is struggling to live up to the expectations. Like some of the other batsmen in the past, he lines up to open in LOIs and may be in Ranjis, but probably shy away from batting in the top order in SENA, where the probability of getting out quickly is higher. Even though he got a 50 in the last inning, he did not appear confident.  In the first test, when Pujara wasn't playing, he could have raised his hand to bat at 3 .... From what I read somewhere on this forum, he was offered a slot in the top order early in his career but picked the convenient middle order slot. That does not help India much as in subcon, he would have to tackle spinners. Overseas, he needs to do a lot better to justify his place 

 

Has he regressed as a test player? He will squeeze in to the Oval test, but could India be better off with another option for the series vs WI and Aus? If yes, what are the options? If Shaw and Pujara open at Oval, should he come in at 3.

 

Discuss. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2018 by zen

[Pollack 7,341]

Has he regressed as a test player?

He has become horrible against spin. Apart from that he is just mentally weak than before.

He will squeeze in to the Oval test, but could India be better off with another option for the series vs WI and Aus? 

India is not better off without Rahane. Rahane is a must. We need to tone down our expectations from him. He is not someone who drives the game but someone who just plays a support role at best. As annoying it may be he is a part of core structure of our test team along with Kohli.

[velu 21,257]

probably getting dropped from the test team might have ruined his confidence ..

[zen 8,695]

5 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Has he regressed as a test player?

He has become horrible against spin. Apart from that he is just mentally weak than before.

He will squeeze in to the Oval test, but could India be better off with another option for the series vs WI and Aus? 

India is not better off without Rahane. Rahane is a must. We need to tone down our expectations from him. He is not someone who drives the game but someone who just plays a support role at best. As annoying it may be he is a part of core structure of our test team along with Kohli.

What if we have options who can play a relatively larger role than supporting? 

[Pollack 7,341]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

What if we have options who can play a relatively larger role than supporting? 

Who are those? 

[zen 8,695]

2 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Who are those? 

I have heard names such as Vihari, Gill, etc., so am wondering if they have the ability to eventually play a larger role than what a regressing Rahane can play, if groomed at the right time? 

[Pollack 7,341]

9 minutes ago, zen said:

I have heard names such as Vihari, Gill, etc., so am wondering if they have the ability to eventually play a larger role than what a regressing Rahane can play, if groomed at the right time? 

They can but England series is not the right time to start them grooming.If Pant was not better keeper than Karthik I wouldn't even want Pant playing his debut series in England. Gill is a bit flamboyant. Vihari is old school. Vihari could be better suited to replace on an experiment basis but in lesser series preferably but not necessarily home series.

[zen 8,695]

Just now, Pollack said:

They can but England series is not the right time to start them grooming.If Pant was not better keeper than Karthik I wouldn't even want Pant playing his debut series in England. Gill is a bit flamboyant. Vihari is old school. Vihari could be better suited to replace on an experiment basis but in lesser series preferably but not necessarily home series.

As I said, Rahane has squeezed in to Oval test. But for WI tests onwards, may be a change could work for us 

[ThePhenomenal1 534]

I said in my thread on moving rahul at 5 that Pujara should open and rahane should play at 3. Allows rahane to move the game forward and he won't get left behind with the tail like the 4th test. 

 

At 3 he will have to face strong pace attacks so he needs the game for it but a promotion could be the confidence booster he needs.

[anish2tweet 81]

Rahane was supposed to be our 2nd best batsman in SENA type of conditions but is struggling to live up to the expectations. Like some of the other batsmen in the past, he lines up to open in LOIs and may be in Ranjis, but probably shy away from batting in the top order in SENA, where the probability of getting out quickly is higher. Even though he got a 50 in the last inning, he did not appear confident.  In the first test, when Pujara wasn't playing, he could have raised his hand to bat at 3 .... From what I read somewhere on this forum, he was offered a slot in the top order early in his career but picked the convenient middle order slot. That does not help India much as in subcon, he would have to tackle spinners. Overseas, he needs to do a lot better to justify his place 
 
Has he regressed as a test player? He will squeeze in to the Oval test, but could India be better off with another option for the series vs WI and Aus? If yes, what are the options? If Shaw and Pujara open at Oval, should he come in at 3.
 
Discuss. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

As always selfish

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[rkt.india 13,685]

You would expect from someone batting at 5. In England, 5 and 6 are the most important positions. Ball gets older, swings less.

[nevada 1,918]

7 hours ago, velu said:

probably getting dropped from the test team might have ruined his confidence ..

Yes, most likely. He is already sad about being out of the picture in LOIs. He would have thought that he is untouchable at-least in tests but getting evicted there also must have been a mentally shattering experience for him. 

[Clarke 2,658]

Yes, having said that he's contributed in last 2 tests. He & Pujara hold their place for now.

[Ankit_sharma03 15,178]

He is struggling no doubt but whats the solution

Throwing him is not the solution, u dnt get players of rahane calibre everyday. 

 

He needs to forget about LOI and concentrate on long version . Needs to go back to someone who knew his game may be Amre or even dravid to work on the bad habbits that have creeped in. May be team mngmt can also look at his position overseas at 3

[Clarke 2,658]

10 hours ago, velu said:

probably getting dropped from the test team might have ruined his confidence ..

He got poorer against spin while Eng & Aus toured India starting in late 2016. He was only dropped (although unfairly) earlier this year and its been a while since then. I would argue him trying to smash bowlers into oblivion in the IPL and trying to make it to ODI/T20 squad would affect his game more than that.

 

This is anothermajor tragedy of Indian cricket, leadership and selectors can't figure horses for courses. Rohit is a gun player on typical Indian tracks and averages 85 in 9 tests. These geniuses extrapolated that he can change the game in a session in SA! Why not pick him for home and Rahane for SENA tours ? You might as well try your ice skating shoes for running a marathon using the traditional logic.

Edited September 4, 2018 by Clarke

[bowl_out 3,231]

22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He is struggling no doubt but whats the solution

Throwing him is not the solution, u dnt get players of rahane calibre everyday. 

He needs to forget about LOI and concentrate on long version . Needs to go back to someone who knew his game may be Amre or even dravid to work on the bad habbits that have creeped in. May be team mngmt can also look at his position overseas at 3

Gavaskar and the like are often found expressing surprise and anguish about Rahane's exclusion from LOIs.. probably muddles with Rahane's thinking too

[Ankit_sharma03 15,178]

1 minute ago, bowl_out said:

Gavaskar and the like are often found expressing surprise and anguish about Rahane's exclusion from LOIs.. probably muddles with Rahane's thinking too

Likes of gavaskar make me cringe most 

They are the same who wants dhawan n rohit to be backed in test cricket and then they are the 1st one who ll say all is wrong with our test cricket....yea as if u have gr8 ideas. 

 

Their job is jst to spoke watever n take their pay cheque

when u win - say all is well

when u loose - blast like anything else

Give ideas- when team implements it and that fails blame it on captain 

 

Coming back to rahane, he himself wants to play LOI which was the case with pujara to. Thats were u need a strong team mngmt or selectors who tell them concentrate on one format and if u want to play others here is the list of things u need to improve .....work on it and then talk about . No one stops them from playing domestic LOI n IPL show ur improvement their 

[Nikhil_cric 1,589]

If he can't score in SENA countries at 5, then what is the point of having him in the team? There are others who can actually bully on Asian tracks and can perform just as well away . Right now we just have two test batters - Kohli who is batting at ATG level  and Pujara who has done just about enough. 

[rtmohanlal 1,316]

first of all accept the reality that  each and  every top batsman cannot  be equally brilliant in all alien conditions. For a subcontinent player that tough alien conditions as of now are SENA. Infact how many top batsmen as of now avg:es more or less equally  brilliantly in all countries???? A certain Sachin comes to mind.Another one is Greg Chappel. Then any??? Even Steven Smith found his nemesis in Bangladesh(after they started being not a minnow any more but a lower ranked team) . Dravid failed to touch 30 in SAF. Ponting failed in IND.  Lara had only 33 in IND.  Sanga was at the most good in SAF. We need to evaluate Rahane from that point of view.

 

He has been absolutely brilliant in 3 out of 4  in SENA except ENG where too he avg:s almost 30.That means Rahane is one vital component in this TOP 6.The need of the hour is to find quality batsmen who can play swing in ENG.Then Rahane can feed off from

such batsmen's performance  in ENG. As of now there is not a single batsman in  this line up who touches 40 avg: in ENG.

 

[express bowling 28,770]

14 hours ago, velu said:

probably getting dropped from the test team might have ruined his confidence ..

 

Rahane played 42 tests on the trot before getting dropped for 2 tests in SA.  

 

Before getting dropped, he was averaging a mere 29 in his last 14 tests in 14 months with his only 50+ scores against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/277916.html?class=1;spanmax2=31+Dec+2017;spanmin2=09+Nov+2016;spanval2=span;template=results;type=allround;view=match

 

 

If an experienced international player is shaken after getting dropped for just 2 tests, after bad performances in 14 tests, then we would have to question his mental strength.

Edited September 4, 2018 by express bowling

[zen 8,695]

"Sharma to Cook, no run, dropped. Rahane drops Cook at about fifth slip. A better ball from Ishant. On a length, middle and leg, swinging towards off. Cook pokes at it, gets a healthy edge, and Kohli has a man at the right place. This is low but not too low, but Rahane fails to take it. Do India's fielders have a treat for Cook in his last Test after resurrecting his career in Southampton four years ago?" 

 

 

[GolGappe 546]

With the exception of superman Kohli, name one batsman who has improved in any version of the game under current coaching regime.

Rohit and Dhawan are fish out of water in testing conditions in ODI's as well. Rahane and Pujara are fighting their own demons. Vijay's career is pretty much over. Rahul is on the verge of getting dropped. ODI's middle order is in complete shambles and we've the longest tail in test cricket. Ashwin used to be such a reliable lower middle order batsman but he bats like f--king Rambo everytime.

 

Bangar needs to be shown the door. I am sure he is a nice guy and probably works hard but he is not producing any results.

If Shastri tries to protect Bangar, he should be kicked out too.

If Kohli acts like a little bitch because his chums are losing their cushy jobs, he should be swiftly brought back to earth.

 

No individual is above the team.

[zen 8,695]

Anderson to Rahane, OUT, and Anderson keeps taking men other than Kohli. Lovely bowling. Goes wide on the crease, makes Rahane play the angle back in, and then swings it late and away. Takes a healthy edge to first slip

AM Rahane c Cook b Anderson 0 (8b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0.00

 

[nagraj85 166]

rahane has become useless.

[Straight Drive 3,544]

Everyone apart from Virat is useless in SENA.

[prasen82 511]

i hope vihari hits a decent 30+ score here and replaces rahane down the line. rahane is also affecting team balance when we tour overseas. 

[WC2011INDIA 1,674]

 

 

Thank god, this series has exposed him completely. Now people will realize what I have been saying for ages. He is a fraud. He was going through a mini purple patch during 2014-16 in which he scored as many runs as possible. But since the England tour of India in 2016 he has been found out and hasn't worked on his game one bit. Absolutely god awful cricketer. Virat should use his authority and drop this *er for good. 

[The Realist 5,406]

Gone beyond regressed, more towards retirement.

[WC2011INDIA 1,674]

He is not even decent at domestic level....struggled in Ranji matches last year. 

[zen 8,695]

5 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Everyone apart from Virat is useless in SENA.

I would say Pujara turned it around to a certain extent. His hardwork paid off 

 

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Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli	5	9	0	593	149	65.88	1024	57.91	2	3	0	67	1
CA Pujara	4	7	1	278	132*	46.33	723	38.45	1	1	0	33	0
GH Vihari	1	1	1	25	25*	-	50	50.00	0	0	0	3	1
AM Rahane	5	9	0	220	81	24.44	533	41.27	0	2	1	22	0
HH Pandya	4	8	1	164	52*	23.42	288	56.94	0	1	1	26	1
S Dhawan	4	7	0	161	44	23.00	286	56.29	0	0	0	23	0
R Ashwin	4	8	2	126	33*	21.00	177	71.18	0	0	0	19	1
KL Rahul	5	9	0	150	37	16.66	226	66.37	0	0	1	24	0
RR Pant	3	5	0	48	24	9.60	106	45.28	0	0	1	5	2
RA Jadeja	1	1	1	8	8*	-	10	80.00	0	0	0	2	0
M Vijay	2	4	0	26	20	6.50	75	34.66	0	0	2	4	0
I Sharma	5	7	1	33	14	5.50	79	41.77	0	0	2	4	0
KD Karthik	2	4	0	21	20	5.25	58	36.20	0	0	2	2	0
Mohammed Shami	5	8	1	26	10*	3.71	36	72.22	0	0	3	3	0
JJ Bumrah	3	3	1	6	6	3.00	33	18.18	0	0	1	0	0
UT Yadav	1	2	2	1	1*	-	24	4.16	0	0	0	0	0
Kuldeep Yadav	1	2	0	0	0	0.00	18	0.00	0	0	2	0	0

[MultiB48 1,927]

struggled big time from last aug ,avg down to 11

 

Career averages

	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	50	85	9	3113	188	40.96	6043	51.51	9	14	6	354	23	Profile
filtered	8	13	0	149	48	11.46	397	37.53	0	0	1	18	0

[MultiB48 1,927]

combined avg on 2014,2018 tours

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli	2014-2018	10	19	0	727	149	38.26	1312	55.41	2	3	2	82	1
MS Dhoni	2014-2014	5	10	0	349	82	34.90	709	49.22	0	4	1	51	2
CA Pujara	2014-2018	9	17	1	500	132*	31.25	1233	40.55	1	2	1	65	0
M Vijay	2014-2018	7	14	0	428	146	30.57	1129	37.90	1	2	3	60	2
AM Rahane	2014-2018	10	19	1	519	103	28.83	1123	46.21	1	4	2	62	1
B Kumar	2014-2014	5	10	1	247	63*	27.44	517	47.77	0	3	2	38	0
R Ashwin	2014-2018	6	12	3	232	46*	25.77	301	77.07	0	0	0	29	3
GH Vihari	2018-2018	1	1	1	25	25*	-	50	50.00	0	0	0	3	1
STR Binny	2014-2014	3	6	1	118	78	23.60	211	55.92	0	1	1	13	1
HH Pandya	2018-2018	4	8	1	164	52*	23.42	288	56.94	0	1	1	26	1
RA Jadeja	2014-2018	5	9	1	185	68	23.12	307	60.26	0	1	1	27	2
S Dhawan	2014-2018	7	13	0	283	44	21.76	497	56.94	0	0	0	41	0
RG Sharma	2014-2014	1	2	0	34	28	17.00	89	38.20	0	0	0	3	0
KL Rahul	2018-2018	5	9	0	150	37	16.66	226	66.37	0	0	1	24	0
RR Pant	2018-2018	3	5	0	48	24	9.60	106	45.28	0	0	1	5	2
Mohammed Shami	2014-2018	8	14	3	105	51*	9.54	165	63.63	0	1	5	14	1
I Sharma	2014-2018	8	13	4	68	14	7.55	209	32.53	0	0	2	8	0
G Gambhir	2014-2014	2	4	0	25	18	6.25	80	31.25	0	0	1	3	0
KD Karthik	2018-2018	2	4	0	21	20	5.25	58	36.20	0	0	2	2	0
VR Aaron	2014-2014	2	4	1	12	9	4.00	41	29.26	0	0	0	2	0
Pankaj Singh	2014-2014	2	4	1	10	9	3.33	20	50.00	0	0	2	2	0
JJ Bumrah	2018-2018	3	3	1	6	6	3.00	33	18.18	0	0	1	0	0
UT Yadav	2018-2018	1	2	2	1	1*	-	24	4.16	0	0	0	0	0
Kuldeep Yadav	2018-2018	1	2	0	0	0	0.00	18	0.00	0	0	2	0	0

[WC2011INDIA 1,674]

You know why he doesn't move his feet that much? Because he is sore all the time due to taking it in...

[zen 8,695]

If Ind cric is unlucky, this bugger will play a good knock in the inconsequential inning and extend his stay till Aus, where he may not do anything special

 

Reminds me of Mithun, who would do 10 films. 9 will be flops, 1 will be hit. Based on that 1 hit, he would get 10 more films and the cycle continued 

Edited September 11, 2018 by zen

[rtmohanlal 1,316]

Both Pujara & Rahane need to be phased out .Keep on giving talented youngsters chances at the earliest.

[CG 1,732]

On Away Tours No 5 is the comparatively easier than top order still rahane has been Poor.If he does not do anything special today time to give him a break.

[Soorma_Bhopali 215]

On 9/4/2018 at 8:40 AM, nevada said:

Yes, most likely. He is already sad about being out of the picture in LOIs. He would have thought that he is untouchable at-least in tests but getting evicted there also must have been a mentally shattering experience for him. 

If such things "shatter" his confidence , then he nedds to go ..people like Vihari,Kohli,Pant and Pujara have made it to test tam after personal tragedies ..if this guy is such a mental midget, let's do away with him with specific feedback that only weight of runs consistently will bring him back .

 

Also , it's time that our coaches plan for Engalnd,SA ,Australia and NZ series atleast couple of years in advance and have A-tours starting an year earlier in these places to ensure that we do not make such an embarrassment of ourselves time after time.

Edited September 11, 2018 by Soorma_Bhopali

[zen 8,695]

With Rahul going strong at the other hand, a good score was on the cards, but:

 

Ali to Rahane, OUT, oh dear, Jinks... ! He's toe-ended a sweep to midwicket! Just when Rahane seemed to be settling into a groove, Moeen tossed it up and he swiped hard across the line, the ball instead looping up in front of square to the waiting Jennings, who made no mistake

AM Rahane c Jennings b Ali 37 (106b 5x4 0x6) SR: 34.90