zen Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) Rahane was supposed to be our 2nd best batsman in SENA type of conditions but is struggling to live up to the expectations. Like some of the other batsmen in the past, he lines up to open in LOIs and may be in Ranjis, but probably shy away from batting in the top order in SENA, where the probability of getting out quickly is higher. Even though he got a 50 in the last inning, he did not appear confident. In the first test, when Pujara wasn't playing, he could have raised his hand to bat at 3 .... From what I read somewhere on this forum, he was offered a slot in the top order early in his career but picked the convenient middle order slot. That does not help India much as in subcon, he would have to tackle spinners. Overseas, he needs to do a lot better to justify his place Has he regressed as a test player? He will squeeze in to the Oval test, but could India be better off with another option for the series vs WI and Aus? If yes, what are the options? If Shaw and Pujara open at Oval, should he come in at 3. Discuss. Edited September 3, 2018 by zen Link to comment
Pollack Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Has he regressed as a test player? He has become horrible against spin. Apart from that he is just mentally weak than before. He will squeeze in to the Oval test, but could India be better off with another option for the series vs WI and Aus? India is not better off without Rahane. Rahane is a must. We need to tone down our expectations from him. He is not someone who drives the game but someone who just plays a support role at best. As annoying it may be he is a part of core structure of our test team along with Kohli. Clarke and sandsaims 2 Link to comment
velu Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 probably getting dropped from the test team might have ruined his confidence .. nevada and Sidhoni 1 1 Link to comment
zen Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Pollack said: Has he regressed as a test player? He has become horrible against spin. Apart from that he is just mentally weak than before. He will squeeze in to the Oval test, but could India be better off with another option for the series vs WI and Aus? India is not better off without Rahane. Rahane is a must. We need to tone down our expectations from him. He is not someone who drives the game but someone who just plays a support role at best. As annoying it may be he is a part of core structure of our test team along with Kohli. What if we have options who can play a relatively larger role than supporting? express bowling 1 Link to comment
Pollack Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, zen said: What if we have options who can play a relatively larger role than supporting? Who are those? Link to comment
zen Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pollack said: Who are those? I have heard names such as Vihari, Gill, etc., so am wondering if they have the ability to eventually play a larger role than what a regressing Rahane can play, if groomed at the right time? Link to comment
Pollack Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, zen said: I have heard names such as Vihari, Gill, etc., so am wondering if they have the ability to eventually play a larger role than what a regressing Rahane can play, if groomed at the right time? They can but England series is not the right time to start them grooming.If Pant was not better keeper than Karthik I wouldn't even want Pant playing his debut series in England. Gill is a bit flamboyant. Vihari is old school. Vihari could be better suited to replace on an experiment basis but in lesser series preferably but not necessarily home series. Link to comment
zen Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 Just now, Pollack said: They can but England series is not the right time to start them grooming.If Pant was not better keeper than Karthik I wouldn't even want Pant playing his debut series in England. Gill is a bit flamboyant. Vihari is old school. Vihari could be better suited to replace on an experiment basis but in lesser series preferably but not necessarily home series. As I said, Rahane has squeezed in to Oval test. But for WI tests onwards, may be a change could work for us Link to comment
ThePhenomenal1 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I said in my thread on moving rahul at 5 that Pujara should open and rahane should play at 3. Allows rahane to move the game forward and he won't get left behind with the tail like the 4th test. At 3 he will have to face strong pace attacks so he needs the game for it but a promotion could be the confidence booster he needs. raki05 1 Link to comment
anish2tweet Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Rahane was supposed to be our 2nd best batsman in SENA type of conditions but is struggling to live up to the expectations. Like some of the other batsmen in the past, he lines up to open in LOIs and may be in Ranjis, but probably shy away from batting in the top order in SENA, where the probability of getting out quickly is higher. Even though he got a 50 in the last inning, he did not appear confident. In the first test, when Pujara wasn't playing, he could have raised his hand to bat at 3 .... From what I read somewhere on this forum, he was offered a slot in the top order early in his career but picked the convenient middle order slot. That does not help India much as in subcon, he would have to tackle spinners. Overseas, he needs to do a lot better to justify his place Has he regressed as a test player? He will squeeze in to the Oval test, but could India be better off with another option for the series vs WI and Aus? If yes, what are the options? If Shaw and Pujara open at Oval, should he come in at 3. Discuss. As always selfishSent from my CPH1819 using Tapatalk Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 You would expect from someone batting at 5. In England, 5 and 6 are the most important positions. Ball gets older, swings less. Link to comment
nevada Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 7 hours ago, velu said: probably getting dropped from the test team might have ruined his confidence .. Yes, most likely. He is already sad about being out of the picture in LOIs. He would have thought that he is untouchable at-least in tests but getting evicted there also must have been a mentally shattering experience for him. Link to comment
Clarke Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Yes, having said that he's contributed in last 2 tests. He & Pujara hold their place for now. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 He is struggling no doubt but whats the solution Throwing him is not the solution, u dnt get players of rahane calibre everyday. He needs to forget about LOI and concentrate on long version . Needs to go back to someone who knew his game may be Amre or even dravid to work on the bad habbits that have creeped in. May be team mngmt can also look at his position overseas at 3 Link to comment
Clarke Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, velu said: probably getting dropped from the test team might have ruined his confidence .. He got poorer against spin while Eng & Aus toured India starting in late 2016. He was only dropped (although unfairly) earlier this year and its been a while since then. I would argue him trying to smash bowlers into oblivion in the IPL and trying to make it to ODI/T20 squad would affect his game more than that. This is anothermajor tragedy of Indian cricket, leadership and selectors can't figure horses for courses. Rohit is a gun player on typical Indian tracks and averages 85 in 9 tests. These geniuses extrapolated that he can change the game in a session in SA! Why not pick him for home and Rahane for SENA tours ? You might as well try your ice skating shoes for running a marathon using the traditional logic. Edited September 4, 2018 by Clarke velu 1 Link to comment
bowl_out Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: He is struggling no doubt but whats the solution Throwing him is not the solution, u dnt get players of rahane calibre everyday. He needs to forget about LOI and concentrate on long version . Needs to go back to someone who knew his game may be Amre or even dravid to work on the bad habbits that have creeped in. May be team mngmt can also look at his position overseas at 3 Gavaskar and the like are often found expressing surprise and anguish about Rahane's exclusion from LOIs.. probably muddles with Rahane's thinking too Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, bowl_out said: Gavaskar and the like are often found expressing surprise and anguish about Rahane's exclusion from LOIs.. probably muddles with Rahane's thinking too Likes of gavaskar make me cringe most They are the same who wants dhawan n rohit to be backed in test cricket and then they are the 1st one who ll say all is wrong with our test cricket....yea as if u have gr8 ideas. Their job is jst to spoke watever n take their pay cheque when u win - say all is well when u loose - blast like anything else Give ideas- when team implements it and that fails blame it on captain Coming back to rahane, he himself wants to play LOI which was the case with pujara to. Thats were u need a strong team mngmt or selectors who tell them concentrate on one format and if u want to play others here is the list of things u need to improve .....work on it and then talk about . No one stops them from playing domestic LOI n IPL show ur improvement their raki05 and Adi BB 2 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 If he can't score in SENA countries at 5, then what is the point of having him in the team? There are others who can actually bully on Asian tracks and can perform just as well away . Right now we just have two test batters - Kohli who is batting at ATG level and Pujara who has done just about enough. zen and Adi BB 2 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 first of all accept the reality that each and every top batsman cannot be equally brilliant in all alien conditions. For a subcontinent player that tough alien conditions as of now are SENA. Infact how many top batsmen as of now avg:es more or less equally brilliantly in all countries???? A certain Sachin comes to mind.Another one is Greg Chappel. Then any??? Even Steven Smith found his nemesis in Bangladesh(after they started being not a minnow any more but a lower ranked team) . Dravid failed to touch 30 in SAF. Ponting failed in IND. Lara had only 33 in IND. Sanga was at the most good in SAF. We need to evaluate Rahane from that point of view. He has been absolutely brilliant in 3 out of 4 in SENA except ENG where too he avg:s almost 30.That means Rahane is one vital component in this TOP 6.The need of the hour is to find quality batsmen who can play swing in ENG.Then Rahane can feed off from such batsmen's performance in ENG. As of now there is not a single batsman in this line up who touches 40 avg: in ENG. Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, velu said: probably getting dropped from the test team might have ruined his confidence .. Rahane played 42 tests on the trot before getting dropped for 2 tests in SA. Before getting dropped, he was averaging a mere 29 in his last 14 tests in 14 months with his only 50+ scores against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/277916.html?class=1;spanmax2=31+Dec+2017;spanmin2=09+Nov+2016;spanval2=span;template=results;type=allround;view=match If an experienced international player is shaken after getting dropped for just 2 tests, after bad performances in 14 tests, then we would have to question his mental strength. Edited September 4, 2018 by express bowling GolGappe, raki05, Clarke and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment
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