Importance of Hardik Pandya

[zen]

Hardik has played 11 tests so far. Of the 11 tests, 10 tests have been away. Out of these 10 tests, India has won 5. And in these 5 tests, Hardik, who has played in different conditions, has an avg difference  (batting avg less  bowling avg) of 26!

 

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Player	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
HH Pandya	5	252	108	42.00	1	10	5/28	16.30	1	6	0	25.70
R Ashwin	4	147	54	36.75	0	18	5/69	27.05	1	0	0	9.69
Mohammed Shami	5	98	30	14.00	0	18	5/28	21.38	1	1	0	-7.38
UT Yadav	3	22	11*	-	0	6	2/21	35.83	0	0	0	-
S Dhawan	4	437	190	72.83	2	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
V Kohli	5	456	103*	65.14	2	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
CA Pujara	5	446	153	55.75	2	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
AM Rahane	5	396	132	56.57	1	-	-	-	-	11	0	-
KL Rahul	4	217	85	36.16	0	-	-	-	-	9	0	-
WP Saha	3	99	67	33.00	0	-	-	-	-	8	2	-

 

Also, 1 100 and 1 5-er already in his short test career in Ind's wins away

Edited September 5, 2018 by zen

[rkt.india]

India at The Oval: Hanuma Vihari for Hardik Pandya, Ravindra Jadeja for R Ashwin?

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24585973/are-india-looking-play-debutant-oval

[mishra]

A allrounder gets 2 opportunity. One with bat, One with ball. So together he has allmost double the opportunity. A allrounder must be among best 4 scorers of a settled side or among best 2 bowlers of side.

With pandya, I was hoping that he will increase his pace and accuracy and become a swing bowler of a quality better than Bhuvi and Shami (specially on overseas tracks) and bat better or equal to Rahane.

 

Unfortunately, He is not showing any sign of improvement to his potential. If he cant see green shoots in next six months, He can be safely dropped. Also if there is a youngster who can bowl and bat, please drop Pandya immediately

[rtmohanlal]

As i earlier said, he is the least of the problems in this team .More severe problems like Dhawan,Rahul,Kartik,Pujara need to be solved first.

[zen]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

India at The Oval: Hanuma Vihari for Hardik Pandya, Ravindra Jadeja for R Ashwin?

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24585973/are-india-looking-play-debutant-oval

So Dhawan and Rahul will open? Would like to see how Vihari does. 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

As i earlier said, he is the least of the problems in this team .More severe problems like Dhawan,Rahul,Kartik,Pujara need to be solved first.

Add Rahane too to the list

[zen]

7 minutes ago, mishra said:

A allrounder gets 2 opportunity. One with bat, One with ball. So together he has allmost double the opportunity. A allrounder must be among best 4 scorers of a settled side or among best 2 bowlers of side.

With pandya, I was hoping that he will increase his pace and accuracy and become a swing bowler of a quality better than Bhuvi and Shami (specially on overseas tracks) and bat better or equal to Rahane.

 

If that happened, he would be rated as Ind's best AT player by many 

[Stan AF]

First the bowling coach should work with him on pitching deliveries on a same spot ball after ball over after over . He sprays the balls more than a broken water hose. He regularly undoes the good work done by the other bowlers in any given format.

 

Teach him the value of line and length first and bowling fewer extras.

Edited September 5, 2018 by Stan AF

[zen]

On another note, it is good to see Ind win 5 of its last 10 tests overseas. In Kapil's days, I am not sure if Ind won 5 tests in the entire tenure. Ind won 2 in Eng in 1986. There may not be too many 

 

PS

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
N Kapil Dev	1981-1993	4	95	35	15.83	0	16	5/28	19.25	1	2	0	-3.41
M Azharuddin	1986-1993	3	111	33	18.50	0	-	-	-	-	6	0	-
SM Gavaskar	1981-1986	3	172	70	28.66	0	-	-	-	-	1	0	-
KS More	1986-1993	3	81	36*	27.00	0	-	-	-	-	15	0	-
DB Vengsarkar	1981-1986	3	375	126*	93.75	2	-	-	-	-	1	0	-
RMH Binny	1986-1986	2	41	26	13.66	0	11	5/40	14.27	1	2	0	-0.60
Maninder Singh	1986-1986	2	10	6	3.33	0	8	4/26	10.00	0	1	0	-6.66
RJ Shastri	1986-1986	2	56	32	18.66	0	3	1/5	25.66	0	1	0	-6.99
K Srikkanth	1986-1986	2	59	31	14.75	0	-	-	-	-	3	0	-

Edited September 5, 2018 by zen

[mishra]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

If that happened, he would be rated as Ind's best AT player by many 

Yes, we look for AT player. Indian team and fans can not survive with one AT player (Kohli). Allrounder has to be AT or near AT.  Because he gets 4 chances. He can succed more or he will be seen failing more. Unless he wants to be a AT, i dont care if he is picked or dropped. 

As i said, i expected him to work hard. Saw his interview after Fiver at Trent Bridge. When asked comparison with  KD , He "cockily" says "I want to remain Pandya", 

I was like, "abey bc, you should smile and say, I am lucky to be compared but i am nowhere near him".

shashtri's cockyness is spreading on team

[zen]

3 minutes ago, mishra said:

Yes, we look for AT player. Indian team and fans can not survive with one AT player (Kohli). Allrounder has to be AT or near AT.  Because he gets 4 chances. He can succed more or he will be seen failing more. Unless he wants to be a AT, i dont care if he is picked or dropped. 

As i said, i expected him to work hard. Saw his interview after Fiver at Trent Bridge. When asked comparison with  KD , He "cockily" says "I want to remain Pandya", 

I was like, "abey bc, you should smile and say, I am lucky to be compared but i am nowhere near him".

shashtri's cockyness is spreading on team

It appears as if you misconstrued what he said -> it is ok to be compared but if things go wrong the same people say that he is not KD. Which is why .... 

 

Let's not create yardsticks to ensure that a player does not measure up even if he is doing reasonably well 

Edited September 5, 2018 by zen

[rtmohanlal]

22 minutes ago, zen said:

Add Rahane too to the list

Rahane avg:s 50+  in 3 of SENA. He avg:s almost 30 in ENG too..

[zen]

3 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

Rahane avg:s 50+  in 3 of SENA. He avg:s almost 30 in ENG too..

He is a SENA specialists though so a lot more is expected from him. Has regressed this season

Edited September 5, 2018 by zen

[mishra]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

It appears as if you misconstrued what he said -> it is ok to be compared but if things go wrong the same people say that he is not KD. Which is why .... 

 

Let's not create yardsticks to ensure that a player does not measure up even if he is doing reasonably well 

Current rate of improvement in performance is not acceptable.

because it loks zero. We can allways forward his space to some batsman.

[mishra]

1 minute ago, zen said:

He is a SENA specialists though so a lot more is expected from him. Has regressed this season

Good and bad patches will allways be there. He is perfect where he is.

we need is 2 openers and more gritty performance from Pandya

[zen]

5 minutes ago, mishra said:

Current rate of improvement in performance is not acceptable.

because it loks zero. We can allways forward his space to some batsman.

First we have to optimize the 5 specialist batting slots. If the reserve is that good, he can replace one of the struggling batsmen 

 

For e.g. If Pandya is avg 25 with the bat in this series, you want the specialist to avg around 35 or more each, which is not happening. Then you bring in someone who avg 35 or more, it could help if Pandya is not bowling well. Here he won us a test with his bowling performance though  

Edited September 5, 2018 by zen

[vayuu1]

56 minutes ago, zen said:

Hardik has played 11 tests so far. Of the 11 tests, 10 tests have been away. Out of these 10 tests, India has won 5. And in these 5 tests, Hardik, who has played in different conditions, has an avg difference  (batting avg less  bowling avg) of 26!

 

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Player	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
HH Pandya	5	252	108	42.00	1	10	5/28	16.30	1	6	0	25.70
R Ashwin	4	147	54	36.75	0	18	5/69	27.05	1	0	0	9.69
Mohammed Shami	5	98	30	14.00	0	18	5/28	21.38	1	1	0	-7.38
UT Yadav	3	22	11*	-	0	6	2/21	35.83	0	0	0	-
S Dhawan	4	437	190	72.83	2	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
V Kohli	5	456	103*	65.14	2	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
CA Pujara	5	446	153	55.75	2	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
AM Rahane	5	396	132	56.57	1	-	-	-	-	11	0	-
KL Rahul	4	217	85	36.16	0	-	-	-	-	9	0	-
WP Saha	3	99	67	33.00	0	-	-	-	-	8	2	-

 

Also, 1 100 and 1 5-er already in his short test career in Ind's wins away

Sorry but you have to remove that R from importance 

[zen]

In the 3rd test in Eng:

 

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Player	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
HH Pandya	1	70	52*	70.00	0	6	5/28	8.33	1	0	0	61.66
JJ Bumrah	1	0	0	0.00	0	7	5/85	17.42	1	0	0	-17.42
I Sharma	1	1	1*	-	0	4	2/32	25.50	0	0	0	-
R Ashwin	1	15	14	15.00	0	1	1/44	47.00	0	0	0	-31.99
Mohammed Shami	1	6	3	3.00	0	2	1/56	67.00	0	0	0	-63.99
S Dhawan	1	79	44	39.50	0	-	-	-	-	0	0	-
V Kohli	1	200	103	100.00	1	-	-	-	-	1	0	-
RR Pant	1	25	24	12.50	0	-	-	-	-	7	0	-
CA Pujara	1	86	72	43.00	0	-	-	-	-	0	0	-
AM Rahane	1	110	81	55.00	0	-	-	-	-	1	0	-
KL Rahul	1	59	36	29.50	0	-	-	-	-	7	0	-

 

[mishra]

8 minutes ago, zen said:

First we have to optimize the 5 specialist batting slots. If the reserve is that good, he can replace one of the struggling batsmen 

 

For e.g. If Pandya is avg 25 with the bat in this series, you want the specialist to avg around 35 or more each, which is not happening. Then you bring in someone who avg 35 or more, it could help if Pandya is not bowling well. Here he won us a test with his bowling performance though  

Its not that straight forward. Kohli Rahane Chepu are our backbone. If we get runs from 3, we wont loose. But one is expected to be off form.

Currently i feel, all space apart from them 3 and last few bolling postitions should be advertised by BCCI ti youngsters.

Pant has filled wk postion but on probation till next 6 month

[rtmohanlal]

16 minutes ago, zen said:

He is a SENA specialists though so a lot more is expected from him. Has regressed this season

if we can find 5 batsmen who are better all round batsmen  to Rahane(Kohli spared ofcourse)  then I am in  for dropping him. But not as of now. To avg: 50+ in 3 of SENA  & almost 30 in ENG is a 'Dravid like' performance