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6 minutes ago, speedheat said:

If we had pandya eng  innings would have been folded yesterday onlly.

Eng 332 .... Ideally, should  have folded them for less than 200. Not playing Pandya may have cost us 130-150 runs .... with some of the struggling batsmen still playing, our batting does not necessarily strengthen by playing the extra batsman 

 

in fact by not optimizing the batting first, we are saying that we will continue to play the struggling batsmen and add another batsman to cover for failures .... and this makes it a negative strategy .... gully cricket level thinking :facepalm: 

 

Kaptan Kohli :sheep:

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Having a 4th pacer in SENA countries allows all our pacers  to bowl in shorter or less frequent spells leading to more intensity.

 

This has been one of the factors responsible for our fast bowling unit doing well this year in SE-NA so far.

 

Pandya is my preferred choice ...  but if he has to be dropped then I would like Vijay Shankar or someone similar replacing him.

 

Our 3 pacers had to bowl 30 overs each in 4 sessions and a bit ...  and that would lead to loss of intensity and tiredness.

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9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Our 3 pacers had to bowl 30 overs each in 4 sessions and a bit ...  and that would lead to loss of intensity and tiredness.

Even in Wi and SL 

and when u hve finally found pacer who can clock 140k+ consistently u wud want them to bowl at full steam

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If we assume that Ind’s first inng and Eng 2nd inng cancel out as the scores could be more or less equal, we could be chasing 300+ in the last inng :dontknow:

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39 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 Butler showed what a rear guard can do to a test innings. I doubt that an allrounder or Pant would've done that.

Butler doing this in his 23rd to 25th test ...  that too at his home.   He was very mediocre before that.

 

Pant playing just his 3rd test ... and away from home.

 

We have seen great rearguard action while playing in India ...  from Jadeja, Saha, Ashwin, Jayant Yadav etc.

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I think the game is showing us where we need Pandya.

One thing his supporters need to concede is that he's not good enough for a number 6 he can be a 7 or 8.

If only Jadeja's batting was as good his domestic stats indicate we could've hit the combination that can close out games overseas

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17 minutes ago, GautiMaan said:

I think the game is showing us where we need Pandya.

One thing his supporters need to concede is that he's not good enough for a number 6 he can be a 7 or 8.

If only Jadeja's batting was as good his domestic stats indicate we could've hit the combination that can close out games overseas

We knw at this point he is not but with time he will become

once we have ashwin n Bhuvi it wnt look bad and soon pant will find his feet , but top order has to score its their responsibility 1st 

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24 minutes ago, GautiMaan said:

I think the game is showing us where we need Pandya.

One thing his supporters need to concede is that he's not good enough for a number 6 he can be a 7 or 8.

If only Jadeja's batting was as good his domestic stats indicate we could've hit the combination that can close out games overseas

 

One of the better solutions for us is if Pant becomes a good No.6 averaging 40+.  

 

Pandya can be a good No.7 then  + 4th pacer.

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9 minutes ago, zen said:

What we have to remember is that these guys - Pandya and Pant are in their first test season and adjusting to the learning curve. Most of their games have been overseas esp. in SENA, which is not a happy hunting ground for Ind 

 

The experienced specialists have let Ind down 

I agree to a certain extent. But pandya needs to be told his role . He is not the fourth bowler nor is he able to shepherd tail. I have more confidence in ashwin jadeja or bhuvi to do this.

 

Pandya needs to become either a better bowler or better batsman. He needs to work on it. His batting is too loose and for a fifth bowler he is very good .

 

If we had six solid batsman we could afford pandya. Sadly we dont have that quality so pandya does not fit in..

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42 minutes ago, GautiMaan said:

I think the game is showing us where we need Pandya.

One thing his supporters need to concede is that he's not good enough for a number 6 he can be a 7 or 8.

If only Jadeja's batting was as good his domestic stats indicate we could've hit the combination that can close out games overseas

We can swap pandy n pant according to the need of the situation, we can play pandya at 6 if we need quick 20 ball 40-50.

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4 minutes ago, prasen82 said:

I agree to a certain extent. But pandya needs to be told his role . He is not the fourth bowler nor is he able to shepherd tail. I have more confidence in ashwin jadeja or bhuvi to do this.

He is the 5th bowler n 4th seamer 

No one here has said he is the 4th bowler 

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Pandya needs to become either a better bowler or better batsman. He needs to work on it. His batting is too loose and for a fifth bowler he is very good .

Will happen over a period of time, here he is playing in toughest of condition 

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If we had six solid batsman we could afford pandya. Sadly we dont have that quality so pandya does not fit in..

thats where pant batting abilty will come in handy and till then we have bhuvi n ashwin for cushion to 

but we need to show patience with pandya n pant they are very new and yes they need to perform as well 

When u have such young players seniors like vijay, pujara, rahane need to step up their game unfortunately this time only kohli did .

The minute specialist batsman start doing their job , pant n pandya wnt hurt us infact they ll scare opposition coz their batting style is such that they can take the game away in a session . Yes the problem comes when their is a collapse and thats where these guys need to grow to fast which is easier said then done .Ashwin also needs to take more responsibility with bat now , he cant be to casual. 

Indian team also needs to carry shankar as pandya is still RAW and shankar can be an option who comes across as better batsman this time

 

We need to be smart with team selection n have right options, no point taking 3 spinners in SENA countries

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Pandya in subcon, his home like conditions: 

 

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Player Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave DiffDescending  
HH Pandya 4 249 108 62.25 1 4 2/31 29.75 0 4 0 32.50 investigate this query
UT Yadav 6 54 26* - 0 15 3/26 29.06 0 2 0 - investigate this query
RA Jadeja 6 145 70* 36.25 0 29 5/152 23.03 1 2 0 13.21 investigate this query
Kuldeep Yadav 1 26 26 26.00 0 5 4/40 19.20 0 0 0 6.80 investigate this query
Mohammed Shami 5 93 30 23.25 0 19 4/100 23.47 0 2 0 -0.22 investigate this query
B Kumar 1 21 13 10.50 0 8 4/8 12.00 0 0 0 -1.49 investigate this query
R Ashwin 7 170 54 21.25 0 34 5/69 25.23 1 1 0 -3.98 investigate this query
I Sharma 3 8 8 8.00 0 12 3/37 21.25 0 2 0 -13.24

 

 

 

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In a 5 test long series, where the key pace bowlers are not being rotated and where our batsmen don't play long enough to give them enough break b/w the innings, the team management rests / drops Pandya while persisting with struggling good-on-paper specialists (may not be considered anymore) :lol:

 

If we get bowled out tomorrow, Bumrah (also scheduled to play in Asia Cup), Ishant and Shami would have bowled on all 3 days so far (and could continue to bowl on the 4th day) in the "5th" test. Ridiculous workload  :no:

 

 

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