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It shouldn't be decriminalized at first place tbh. It's a mental disease which is incurable just like heart disease, Diabetes etc and people shouldn't be judged for it. It's not like people didn't have gay sex while it was decriminalized otherwise how people like Sidharth and Varun would have become actors?

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I don't know why people are actually celebrating. I can see LGBTQIStYVEWDS community celebrating it but why straight people and celebs are making a huge deal out of it? How many gays are there in India? 1 million or 2 million? How many poor, unprivileged people struggling with basic necessities of life are in India? 

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I am a liberal myself and I am also a left winger but that doesn't mean I am blinded by all of their bullshit. Homosexuality is a hugely elite in India. Most of the poor people won't even know about it yet these so-called liberals and seculars are making it sound like India has become a developed country. I personally wouldn't want my offsprings to be homosexuals and its everyone's right. These liberals can **** on everything they want but the moment someone says anything about LGBTQISDDTD it becomes a hate speech and not freedom of expression.

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It is not a disease, it is a part of nature. 

And celebration is due while "Acceptance" of the Personal Rights of an individual is the right way to go. 

Otherwise when it is criminalized, then one religion/country may simply forbid it without punishment, while other religion/country may hang you or slaughter you as punishment. 

 

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I don't know why people are actually celebrating. I can see LGBTQIStYVEWDS community celebrating it but why straight people and celebs are making a huge deal out of it? How many gays are there in India? 1 million or 2 million? How many poor, unprivileged people struggling with basic necessities of life are in India? 

Sexuality is a state that is closely related to genetics.
There are gay animals too.
Act 377 was infringing on people's personal matter,so it has been scrapped.
Also, many poor people are Gay too.


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Just now, Franco Vazquez said:

I am a liberal myself and I am also a left winger but that doesn't mean I am blinded by all of their bullshit. Homosexuality is a hugely elite in India. Most of the poor people won't even know about it yet these so-called liberals and seculars are making it sound like India has become a developed country. I personally wouldn't want my offsprings to be homosexuals and its everyone's right. These liberals can **** on everything they want but the moment someone says anything about LGBTQISDDTD it becomes a hate speech and not freedom of expression.

 

I don't thing brining arguments against homosexuality is hate speech. But arguments should only be limited to the arguments, and not become a law of prohibition, and overrule the freedom of Personal Right/Choice. 

 

It becomes hate speech when people try to impose it's prohibition through force or laws. 

 

If you think homosexuality is against the nature and a disease, and you don't want your children to become homosexuals, then teach them by bringing your arguments. 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

It is not a disease, it is a part of nature. 

And celebration is due while "Acceptance" of the Personal Rights of an individual is the right way to go. 

Otherwise when it is criminalized, then one religion/country may simply forbid it without punishment, while other religion/country may hang you or slaughter you as punishment. 

 

Diseases are a part of nature as well. It's not like you consume a disease by choice. A celebration is valid if its the only issue in the country but in a country like India there are thousands of other and more important issues. Even though its criminalized but people in those countries still have sex with the same gender.

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8 minutes ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:


 


Sexuality is a state that is closely related to genetics.
There are gay animals too.
Act 377 was infringing on people's personal matter,so it has been scrapped.
Also, many poor people are Gay too.


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There are ill animals. There are special animals too so I don't know why people think that its perfectly normal when its not. Even in the west, majorities are still pretty much against it and the celebs are forced by the media to be in favour of it

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Just now, Franco Vazquez said:

After give it 20 years, even pedophilia will become legal and socially acceptable for these so-called liberals

Paedophilia had already been acceptable and legal in the religious history of the world. And it were only the Secular Liberals who first raised voice against this religious bigotry and due to their struggle awareness increased and this evil first became prohibited. 

 

Human Rationale is not 100% perfect, but still it is able to bring much better results than any religious laws or centuries old customs. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Franco Vazquez said:

I am a liberal myself and I am also a left winger but that doesn't mean I am blinded by all of their bullshit. Homosexuality is a hugely elite in India. Most of the poor people won't even know about it yet these so-called liberals and seculars are making it sound like India has become a developed country. I personally wouldn't want my offsprings to be homosexuals and its everyone's right. These liberals can **** on everything they want but the moment someone says anything about LGBTQISDDTD it becomes a hate speech and not freedom of expression.

Just saying you are liberal doesn't make you a liberal.

If you can't accept people living their life the way they want ( which doesn't effect others) , then you are not a liberal...you are a close minded entitled person who thinks he/ she has a right to decide others lives.

 

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Just now, Franco Vazquez said:

Diseases are a part of nature as well. It's not like you consume a disease by choice. A celebration is valid if its the only issue in the country but in a country like India there are thousands of other and more important issues. Even though its criminalized but people in those countries still have sex with the same gender.

For me, disease is only that thing which could bring harm to a person or the society. 

I don't consider homosexuality for any disease, as it brings only peace of mind for those people who fell in love with their same gender. 

And I feel that celebrating for small things, despite having other bigger problems, is totally natural. Otherwise we will stop celebrating all kinds of goods like Holi, Diwali, birth of a baby, birthdays, marriages etc. 

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4 minutes ago, beetle said:

Just saying you are liberal doesn't make you a liberal.

If you can't accept people living their life the way they want ( which doesn't effect others) , then you are not a liberal...you are a close minded entitled person who thinks he/ she has a right to decide others lives.

 

I don't care if someone is gay or anything but when you are in contact with someone it automatically starts affecting you. I try to avoid homosexuals as they are a bit too cheesy and OTT and it's true that many guys don't feel comfortable with gays. There are many instances where I have seen people getting sacked from their jobs or not getting in because they didn't feel comfortable with gays or they didn't agree with their opinions. 

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1 hour ago, Franco Vazquez said:

I am a liberal myself and I am also a left winger but that doesn't mean I am blinded by all of their bullshit. Homosexuality is a hugely elite in India. Most of the poor people won't even know about it yet these so-called liberals and seculars are making it sound like India has become a developed country. I personally wouldn't want my offsprings to be homosexuals and its everyone's right. These liberals can **** on everything they want but the moment someone says anything about LGBTQISDDTD it becomes a hate speech and not freedom of expression.

Why do you feel so? 

Does it require money, better schools or better equipment to be homosexual ?

Why can't poor be homosexuals?

 

 

As for it being a developed country issue....

In a country where close mingling of opposite sexes is still not accepted easily...homosexuals have a better chance of mingling as long as they don't make out in public.

 

In our country two guys or two girls hugging in public or walking hand in hand is more acceptable than a boy and girl doing the same.

 

Homosexuality was not a taboo in ancient India. It is the britishers who made it a taboo.

 

People are probably vary because we are a country obsessed with producing children. Not  having children is not not considered an option .

Once people realize that even homosexuals have options of having children using donor sperms and eggs along with surrogate births, the taboo will become less.

 

 

 

 

 

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If you think that only supporting gay rights is being liberal then you don't know what a liberal is because many liberal politicians were against it like Al Gore etc. A lot of male rape happens and the criminals in question are gays yet these LGBTSWERWSDA still support the offenders thats why you see people like Kevin Spacey not getting as much hate as Bill Cosby even though their crime is same and Kevin Spacey's was worse because of he harassed an underage guy but he was let off the look because he is a gay 

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3 minutes ago, beetle said:

Why do you feel so? 

Does it require money, better schools or better equipment to be homosexual ?

Why can't poor be homosexuals?

 

 

As for it being a developed country issue....

In a country where close mingling of opposite sexes is still not accepted easily...homosexuals have a better chance of mingling as long as they don't make out in public.

 

In our country two guys or two girls hugging in public or walking hand in hand is more acceptable than a boy and girl doing the same.

 

Homosexuality was not a taboo in ancient India. It is the britishers who made it a taboo.

 

People are probably vary because we are a country obsessed with producing children. Not  having children is not not considered an option .

Once people realize that even homosexuals have options of having children using donor sperms and eggs along with surrogate births, the taboo will become less.

 

 

 

 

 

Because no matter what people say. You become gay by the society you live in and not naturally or by birth. Elite people are more likely to become gays than poor.

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1 hour ago, Franco Vazquez said:

After give it 20 years, even pedophilia will become legal and socially acceptable for these so-called liberals

No it won't.

Do you realize homosexuality is about consenting adults choosing their lifestyle .

Pedophilia involves children who are not considered mature enough to make mature choices.

 

As children start maturing faster....the age of consent may become less over time but pedophilia will not be acceptable in civil societies. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Franco Vazquez said:

It shouldn't be decriminalized at first place tbh. It's a mental disease which is incurable just like heart disease, Diabetes etc and people shouldn't be judged for it. It's not like people didn't have gay sex while it was decriminalized otherwise how people like Sidharth and Varun would have become actors?

the highlighted part is pure nonsense and there is all medical consultation on the issue point towards its NOT a disease. its simply a taste difference. Sexuality is NOT a discrete function that neatly falls into 'straight, gay,bi' spectrum only. We see this in EVERY subset of 'mainstream categorization'- even amongst straight people, some guys like face more, some like boobs more. some like skinny hard bodies more, some like soft pudgy body more. 

Homosexuality is also commonly found in the animal kingdom, which is why i feel most religious people cannot stand it, especially jews, christians and muslims. Because these followers of desert ideology, understandably, had very little animal species to study and notice, thus concluded, in their man-made books that 'homosexuality is unnatural'. This is hated by religious people because nature DECISIVELY proves that homosexuality exists in nature, from smart creatures like dolphins to not so smart ones like ducks. And therefore, what exists in nature CANNOT be 'unnatural' and in a world designed by 'God', where animals do not have free will, you cannot argue that God made nature yet homosexuality is unnatural. 

 

Yet, smarter civilizations with plenty of access to animals, such as Indians, Greeks, Chinese, Romans, etc. did not see this (because we probably noticed the whole monkeys doing it the non-straight way or countless other creatures) did not come up with such nonsense.

 

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1 hour ago, Franco Vazquez said:

There are ill animals. There are special animals too so I don't know why people think that its perfectly normal when its not. Even in the west, majorities are still pretty much against it and the celebs are forced by the media to be in favour of it

By calling normal people ill or sick  because they choose to be different ,you are displaying your ignorance, prejudice and closemindedness.

 

You are no better than people who think their religion is best and others are bad or their race is best and others are not .

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3 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

Because no matter what people say. You become gay by the society you live in and not naturally or by birth. Elite people are more likely to become gays than poor.

Sorry kid, you are wrong. medical science has decisively proven that sexuality is nature, not nurture.


Explain to me how there can be gay animals but species homo sapiens, also member of kingdom animalia, is magically, cannot have any gay memebers at birth.

 

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1 hour ago, Franco Vazquez said:

There are ill animals. There are special animals too so I don't know why people think that its perfectly normal when its not. Even in the west, majorities are still pretty much against it and the celebs are forced by the media to be in favour of it

Stop making a fool of yourself. 

You don't even know about estrus cycles, do you ? 

Yes, an animal which behaves EXACTLY normally, and sometimes as the dominant male (or in some cases, female) but goes into heat 2 months a year and seeks out gay sex is 'ill' how ??? 

You have no medical basis to call 'gay = ill'. 

I will advice you on one thing - you are way too young and thus way too under-educated in intricacies of genetics, hormones, etc on various species. These are strong opinons which changes lives and which you have ZERO education to hold.

This is your nonsensical religious brainwashing talking.

 

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13 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

I don't care if someone is gay or anything but when you are in contact with someone it automatically starts affecting you. I try to avoid homosexuals as they are a bit too cheesy and OTT and it's true that many guys don't feel comfortable with gays. There are many instances where I have seen people getting sacked from their jobs or not getting in because they didn't feel comfortable with gays or they didn't agree with their opinions. 

 

Homosexuals must be feeling the same discomfort being around prejudiced people.

 

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41 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

I don't care if someone is gay or anything but when you are in contact with someone it automatically starts affecting you. I try to avoid homosexuals as they are a bit too cheesy and OTT and it's true that many guys don't feel comfortable with gays. There are many instances where I have seen people getting sacked from their jobs or not getting in because they didn't feel comfortable with gays or they didn't agree with their opinions. 

you live in the closeted middle east, where i lived for FIVE years and still managed to get only 2 guys to even HINT they were not straight arrows and you 'avoid gays because gays are X,Y.Z' ? Stop making up nonsense. You have most likely never met one outside of IRC chat rooms or some forum like that. thats about it.

 

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Franco, why do you worry about what people do in their personal space?

 

It is like say ...xyz goes home and eats north indian/ south indian / gujrati  food or whatever and since you eat different kind of food...their food choices are wrong.

 

You do what you want, you eat what you want. Just don't force anyone and don't let others force you for anything whether it is food , sex , music etc

 

Live and let live. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, beetle said:

By calling normal people ill or sick  because they choose to be different ,you are displaying your ignorance, prejudice and closemindedness.

 

You are no better than people who think their religion is best and others are bad or their race is best and others are not .

homosexuality is not about choice. A straight person cannot become homosexual by choosing it.  You cannot pick and choose your sexuality.  It is genetic and inherent.

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2 hours ago, Franco Vazquez said:

I don't care if someone is gay or anything but when you are in contact with someone it automatically starts affecting you. I try to avoid homosexuals as they are a bit too cheesy and OTT and it's true that many guys don't feel comfortable with gays. There are many instances where I have seen people getting sacked from their jobs or not getting in because they didn't feel comfortable with gays or they didn't agree with their opinions. 

We've seen over and over again, those who exhibits the most vehement homophobic views are battling with their own sexuality. Being around gays probably brings out feelings they want to suppress and that's why they get so uncomfortable and angry.

 

 

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1 hour ago, beetle said:

Franco, why do you worry about what people do in their personal space?

 

It is like say ...xyz goes home and eats north indian/ south indian / gujrati  food or whatever and since you eat different kind of food...their food choices are wrong.

 

You do what you want, you eat what you want. Just don't force anyone and don't let others force you for anything whether it is food , sex , music etc

 

Live and let live. 

 

 

Agree everybody has a right to live on their terms. But why do they want to let others know what they want to do in their personal space. I don't go around proclaiming who I spend time with. I don't believe in this gay pride or parade thingy. They have infested college campuses and conduct recruitment drives with this flaunting. Young people think it is cool and hep. 

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The worst thing about this pride BS is that they waste their own time and want others to waste their time as well by being involved. I mean look at Salman Khan, He has ignored this BS because he knows he doesn't need brownie points from these people like AIB or others BS. The best way is to ignore it if you don't agree with it but these A-holes wont allow a random person do that. I went to UK, there was some pride type thing going on and the public was largely uninterested in that BS and the pressure groups weren't group. You don't have others feel sympathetic for you if you have got this attitude and people like these are the reasons why Toris and Trump triumph in the West.

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In western nations it became ok to be a homosexual once certain living standards, educational standards etc were met. This won’t change anything in India, the vast majority of people will still look down on homosexuals.

 

However the media controls everything and they can push anything onto the wider population.

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Many people still don't accept homosexuals in their families but it's just that they don't care if a random person is gay. Homosexuality was and is one of the least problems of India which could have been gone without tackling as there a lot of gay sex going on in the main industries too and its not like just because now its legal and people will certainly start accepting it. Western media shows as if there are a lot of gays in US/UK but I have seen it there and its not even 5% of the population.

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5 hours ago, Franco Vazquez said:

I don't know why people are actually celebrating. I can see LGBTQIStYVEWDS community celebrating it but why straight people and celebs are making a huge deal out of it? How many gays are there in India? 1 million or 2 million? How many poor, unprivileged people struggling with basic necessities of life are in India? 

Because unlike the Middle east and the Islamic world in general, India is striving to move ahead and the withdrawal if the state from the private affairs of citizens is very much a desired end. 

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4 hours ago, Franco Vazquez said:

I don't care if someone is gay or anything but when you are in contact with someone it automatically starts affecting you. I try to avoid homosexuals as they are a bit too cheesy and OTT and it's true that many guys don't feel comfortable with gays. There are many instances where I have seen people getting sacked from their jobs or not getting in because they didn't feel comfortable with gays or they didn't agree with their opinions. 

What a rubbish post. I studied my master's sitting next to an openly "lesbian" woman for two years and im a flaming heterosexual and that hasn't diminished even a bit. 

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1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Because unlike the Middle east and the Islamic world in general, India is striving to move ahead and the withdrawal if the state from the private affairs of citizens is very much a desired end. 

Yeah, that's why Middle Eastern countries like KSA, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, and my beloved UAE are waaaaaay ahead of India in every department except pollution (Dubai not too far). I won't post on this thread anymore before it gets ugly because its useless to argue over something in which there's no end. I have already done it a lot on PakPassion

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1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

What a rubbish post. I studied my master's sitting next to an openly "lesbian" woman for two years and im a flaming heterosexual and that hasn't diminished even a bit. 

People usually dont have any issues with lesbian and nor do I but its the gays who are cheesy and no one would give a single eff if they mind their own business.

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Because unlike the Middle east and the Islamic world in general, India is striving to move ahead and the withdrawal if the state from the private affairs of citizens is very much a desired end. 
Agreed. We atleast have hope.

BTW nice name.

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11 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

People usually dont have any issues with lesbian and nor do I but its the gays who are cheesy and no one would give a single eff if they mind their own business.

The only reason you even differentiate between "gay" and "lesbian" is because that's the cultural/religious upbringing bro. Most gay people do mind their own business. 

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14 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

Yeah, that's why Middle Eastern countries like KSA, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, and my beloved UAE are waaaaaay ahead of India in every department except pollution (Dubai not too far). I won't post on this thread anymore before it gets ugly because its useless to argue over something in which there's no end. I have already done it a lot on PakPassion

Oh you mean in the granting of religious freedom, equal rights to women etc .? Righto.

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11 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Oh you mean in the granting of religious freedom, equal rights to women etc .? Righto.

He also might refer to the industrious nature of their people, their contributions to research & development in all fields, their huge bounty of nobel prizes, the general feeling of togetherness & humanity among the middle east nations, their big hearts that accommodate refugees from all over the world etc.

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This Franco dude is a troll, right?

Seriously, how does one become that ignorant? Not just on the homosexuality issue, but practically every area he's touched on has put out more and more ignorance and further embarrassed himself.

Like every single topic he has spoken on has shown he has absolutely zero understanding of the topic.

Pedophilia - Wrong

Homosexuality - Wrong

Middle Eastern countries - Wrong

Liberalism - Wrong

 

1 hour ago, Franco Vazquez said:

The worst thing about this pride BS is that they waste their own time and want others to waste their time as well by being involved. I mean look at Salman Khan, He has ignored this BS because he knows he doesn't need brownie points from these people like AIB or others BS. The best way is to ignore it if you don't agree with it but these A-holes wont allow a random person do that. I went to UK, there was some pride type thing going on and the public was largely uninterested in that BS and the pressure groups weren't group. You don't have others feel sympathetic for you if you have got this attitude and people like these are the reasons why Toris and Trump triumph in the West.

Yeh Salman Khan, the beacon of decency. - Maybe educate yourself about the people you choose to put up on a pedestal.

I'm not even gonna comment on the politics part, because I'm certain you pulled it out of your behind. 

36 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

Yeah, that's why Middle Eastern countries like KSA, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, and my beloved UAE are waaaaaay ahead of India in every department except pollution (Dubai not too far). I won't post on this thread anymore before it gets ugly because its useless to argue over something in which there's no end. I have already done it a lot on PakPassion

Middle Eastern countries are way ahead of India in every department? Please list those departments and metrics you used to determine which countries are ahead. 

Yeh, you should definitely avoid posting on this subject as you obviously lack the basic knowledge on the subject to conduct a discussion. Go do some reading first.

34 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

People usually dont have any issues with lesbian and nor do I but its the gays who are cheesy and no one would give a single eff if they mind their own business.

"I like beating off to lesbians, but homosexuality disgusts me" 

32 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

One thing I am pretty sure of is that child abuse will only increase after it because you have poster boys of LGBT like Kevin Spacey who are renowned serial child abusers 

What? How?

There is literally no connection between the two. 

When did Kevin Spacey become the poster boy for LGBTQ community? 

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