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1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Because animals killing other animals is natural so humans killing other humans is natural as well.

In many species, it is not normal to kill the fellow animal. 

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34 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Because animals killing other animals is natural so humans killing other humans is natural as well.

um, it is natural, which is why we've always allowed it and still allow it. Only thing that keeps changing, is the circumstances under which we allow humans to kill humans - not much of a difference. Not to mention, without legal 'allowance', humans too kill other humans over pretty much everything, just like animals do.

 

You lot suffer from the simple cognitive dissonance, that humans too are animals. We are just the same - just better at most things not physical (except dexterity) than all other animals. Being better may make us the best animal but we are not better than animals. 

Because we ARE animals. 

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29 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

um, it is natural, which is why we've always allowed it and still allow it. Only thing that keeps changing, is the circumstances under which we allow humans to kill humans - not much of a difference. Not to mention, without legal 'allowance', humans too kill other humans over pretty much everything, just like animals do.

 

You lot suffer from the simple cognitive dissonance, that humans too are animals. We are just the same - just better at most things not physical (except dexterity) than all other animals. Being better may make us the best animal but we are not better than animals. 

Because we ARE animals. 

No, I also think the same, but just because is happening or has happened, it does not become natural.  I am not against homosexual people but i dont think it is a just natural phenomenon.  Are pedophilia and nymphomania natural? like no one is a born pedophile or nymphomaniac.  Same way, no one is born homosexual.

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7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

No, I also think the same, but just because is happening or has happened, it does not become natural.  I am not against homosexual people but i dont think it is a just natural phenomenon.  Are pedophilia and nymphomania natural? like no one is a born pedophile or nymphomaniac.  Same way, no one is born homosexual.

how can it not be a natural thing, if its present in nature amongst a vast member of species. Just because YOU dont understand its natural effect or reasons for being there, does not make it unnatural. 

 

As for paedophilia - i am no expert on the topic. Nympomania is however, natural in almost all creatures too. we always have certain individuals with way too big of a drive. 

 

And you are DEAD wrong- homosexuals are born homosexual. Its not a choice. People don't become gay by choice or by life evnts or any such thing. Science has alredy proven that.

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

And you are DEAD wrong- homosexuals are born homosexual. Its not a choice. People don't become gay by choice or by life evnts or any such thing. Science has alredy proven that.

i did not say they become homosexuals by choice.  Already mentioned, science has not yet found any genetic relation to being a homosexual. 

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7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

i did not say they become homosexuals by choice.  Already mentioned, science has not yet found any genetic relation to being a homosexual. 

that does not mean we are not born with our sexuality.

Science has also not found a gene for left-handedness. does not mean its by choice. 

You are either born with it, or you choose it. There is no 'brianwashing to become a homosexual'. Sexuality arises at time of puberty. Which is genetically controlled ( the hormonal triggering, etc). 

You can't say 'its not by birth' because you don't know the gene that controlls it. 


What science has proven, is that brain chemistry of sexuality varies between the types of sexualities. Meaning, its innate and people are born this way. 

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35 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

that does not mean we are not born with our sexuality.

Science has also not found a gene for left-handedness. does not mean its by choice. 

You are either born with it, or you choose it. There is no 'brianwashing to become a homosexual'. Sexuality arises at time of puberty. Which is genetically controlled ( the hormonal triggering, etc). 

You can't say 'its not by birth' because you don't know the gene that controlls it. 


What science has proven, is that brain chemistry of sexuality varies between the types of sexualities. Meaning, its innate and people are born this way. 

that is why we dont know yet what actually causes homosexuality.  So how can we say it is natural or unnatural.  Anal penetration is unnatural irrespective of how many animals or humans do it because that part of the body is not made for those activities anatomically and does not help in reproduction too.  FYI, nymphomania and pedophilia both are considered psychiatric disorders.

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26 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

that is why we dont know yet what actually causes homosexuality.  So how can we say it is natural or unnatural.  Anal penetration is unnatural irrespective of how many animals or humans do it because that part of the body is not made for those activities anatomically and does not help in reproduction too.  FYI, nymphomania and pedophilia both are considered psychiatric disorders.

we dont have to know the precise mechanism of homosexuality to know that it is innate. 
Thats like you saying ' because i dont understand how the engine of a car works, it may not be thermodynamics'. 

You don't deciede what is natural or unnatural though- if its present in nature across the board for lot of species, then its natural to have certain % of a species as homosexual.

Its just that simple, objective benchmark.  Rest is just your cultural/ethical/subjective notion of what is natural or not. 

 

I can easily argue that homosexuality is PERFECTLY natural, as homosexuality objectively means a natural slow-down of reproduction rate, thereore, it is a 'check on uncontrolled growth rate'. 
Therefore, on a species level, it is completely natural to have certain % of a species as homosexual.
 

btw, here is evidence that homosexuality is innate:

 

https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.ca/&httpsredir=1&article=1078&context=lu_law_review

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2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

that is why we dont know yet what actually causes homosexuality.  So how can we say it is natural or unnatural.  Anal penetration is unnatural irrespective of how many animals or humans do it because that part of the body is not made for those activities anatomically and does not help in reproduction too.  FYI, nymphomania and pedophilia both are considered psychiatric disorders.

In my opinion, it is a wrong perception that sex is present in the nature only for reproduction. This reproduction thing may be true only for the animals with very low IQ level, but certainly not for higher IQ level animals, where they need company, and they need others to have body contacts with them (even if it is not sex). 

 

While Bonobos (who are our closest evolutionary relatives) need sex not only for reproduction, but also for fun, releasing stress, and for political reasons and thus sex has a very big "social function" in their life. While chimpanzees are mostly limited to hugging and kissing. 

 

Male Bonobos constantly make the anal penetrations. It is not only this that the fully grown up and stronger male Bonobos penetrate, but they also let the weaker Bonobos give full opportunity to penetrate. Same is true with the female Bonobos who rub their vaginas against each other.

 

Please read this post of mine. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

that is why we dont know yet what actually causes homosexuality.  So how can we say it is natural or unnatural.  Anal penetration is unnatural irrespective of how many animals or humans do it because that part of the body is not made for those activities anatomically and does not help in reproduction too.  FYI, nymphomania and pedophilia both are considered psychiatric disorders.

Why is it unnatural? 

Do you know where the male g-spot is located? Maybe nature intended us to be anally pleasured.

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On 9/11/2018 at 6:43 AM, Muloghonto said:

bisexuality in animals is not about lack of options, just like bisexuality in humans is not about lack of options either.

I can literally show you videos of male ducks doing it with each other while female ducks are also present. Only difference from sheep/us is that these same male ducks on a later date will hump females..Bisexuality is sequential choice of sexual partners - sometimes they want the same sex partner and sometimes they don't. Its not 'lack of options' that drives it. 


Bonobos are known to use homosexuality (both in men and female) to curry favor and a form of apology as well. 

Animal sexuality is very broad and deep subject .It require very big study.Just showing a video is not enough.

 

Here is new problem occurring in India

https://www.firstpost.com/india/khap-panchayat-turns-moral-police-for-randy-bulls-but-no-ones-complaining-heres-why-2041245.html

Among the more important issues taken up at the Maha Panchayat was the street bulls mating with pedigreed domestic buffaloes and making them pregnant. This has forced the owners to make the cows undergo abortions. It is proving to be an expensive affair for them. Animals generally mate within their own species, but the cow bulls are breaking the rules too often, say veterinarians.

 

Stray cow bulls have now starting mating with water Buffaloes.These two species are way apart cannot reproduce and they have been living with each other from thousands of years.But lack of availability of she cows and abundance of she buffaloes make them start to mate with them.

 

now if we accept this then even interspecies sex is quite normal

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5 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

Animal sexuality is very broad and deep subject .It require very big study.Just showing a video is not enough.

There already has been several big studies done on it. You may not be educated on the topic, but the simple fact that serial homosexuality has been observed in kingdom animalia is fact. 

 

5 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

Here is new problem occurring in India

https://www.firstpost.com/india/khap-panchayat-turns-moral-police-for-randy-bulls-but-no-ones-complaining-heres-why-2041245.html

Among the more important issues taken up at the Maha Panchayat was the street bulls mating with pedigreed domestic buffaloes and making them pregnant. This has forced the owners to make the cows undergo abortions. It is proving to be an expensive affair for them. Animals generally mate within their own species, but the cow bulls are breaking the rules too often, say veterinarians.

Animals don't generally mate in their own species strictly. This is how you get mules - they are not just man-made either. Same with cows and buffaloes. Animals who are close enough to produce a living offspring often do so - tigers and lions have also mated in the wild. 

5 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

 

Stray cow bulls have now starting mating with water Buffaloes.These two species are way apart cannot reproduce and they have been living with each other from thousands of years.But lack of availability of she cows and abundance of she buffaloes make them start to mate with them.

 

now if we accept this then even interspecies sex is quite normal

interspecies sex *IS* normal. there are several examples of species that cannot mate with each other, humping each other. This is the way of nature. This does not mean its okay for us to mate with another species, since humans have this concept called rape - without consent, it is rape and unless you can objectively prove you have consent of the said animal, it is rape. 

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3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

There already has been several big studies done on it. You may not be educated on the topic, but the simple fact that serial homosexuality has been observed in kingdom animalia is fact. 

Not denying homosexuality exists in animal kingdom but the reasons may be different for each species

 

3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Animals don't generally mate in their own species strictly. This is how you get mules - they are not just man-made either. Same with cows and buffaloes. Animals who are close enough to produce a living offspring often do so - tigers and lions have also mated in the wild. 

Clearly displaying your lack of knowledge.Cow and water buffaloes cannot reproduce offspring.they are living for thousands of years along with each other

Water buffalo/Domestic cattle hybridsEdit

Water buffalo and domestic cattle cannot hybridize. In laboratory experiments, the embryos fail around the 8-cell stage

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovid_hybrid#Water_buffalo/Domestic_cattle_hybrids

 

As far tiger and lions are concerned you must be only one who have seen them producing offspring in wild as they don't exist with each other.Even 150-200 years ago they may existed but ligers were never heard.

 

3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

interspecies sex *IS* normal. there are several examples of species that cannot mate with each other, humping each other. This is the way of nature. This does not mean its okay for us to mate with another species, since humans have this concept called rape - without consent, it is rape and unless you can objectively prove you have consent of the said animal, it is rape. 

Ok if I accept your logic then what about sex between animal male and human female as consent is only taken from females.EG if two people get drunk and have sex and later woman say her consent was not valid the man goes to jail but man don't have right to say that his consent was not valid so he is raped too

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3 hours ago, Singh bling said:

Not denying homosexuality exists in animal kingdom but the reasons may be different for each species

The reason for homosexuality is innate. there never has been any provable case of 'homosexuality out of choice' outside of human professional fields (aka sex industry). 

3 hours ago, Singh bling said:

Clearly displaying your lack of knowledge.Cow and water buffaloes cannot reproduce offspring.they are living for thousands of years along with each other

That does not stop species from humping each other. Do you want to see videos of rabbits humping chickens ? common occurances in farms, FYI. Seen with my own two eyes too. 

3 hours ago, Singh bling said:

 

Ok if I accept your logic then what about sex between animal male and human female as consent is only taken from females.EG if two people get drunk and have sex and later woman say her consent was not valid the man goes to jail but man don't have right to say that his consent was not valid so he is raped too

consent applies to BOTH sides. men too, can and have been raped. Just because you have an erection, does not mean you consent. Women too 'get wet' when being raped - its a physiological reaction to sex. You need to get better educated on the topic. 

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