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Why do Indian bowlers resort to bowling short and lose their plan when they bowl against the tail ? When they were able to get the top order batsmen out by bowling 3rd/4th stump line, just do the same against the tail and be patient. Are Rashid and Broad better than Cook, Bairstow, Root etc. ?

 

There is enough help in these conditions. If you bowl in the right areas, you are bound to get them out. But they bowl like headless chicken against the tail and the runs from the lower order has single handedly cost the series. 

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Somethings do not change.

indian bowlers not able to clean the tail of opposition

indian team giving a great start to a debutant

indian team giving a good send-off to a player in his last match

 

this will continue in future too. make your mind.

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Bad plans by them and the "coaching." England doesn't have real tailenders except Anderson. Treating proper allrounders like hacks is no plan for success. Only Ali in particular looks poor vs the short ball.

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3 minutes ago, prasen82 said:

bumrah was tired. ishant cannot bowl the outswingers to right handers well and shami bowled horribly. what can we do..

Why are bowlers tired? It’s a new day and it’s not like they bowled 150 overs already. With 190-odd for 7, shouldn’t the bowlers be tearing into the lower order batsmen?

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4 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

Why are bowlers tired? It’s a new day and it’s not like they bowled 150 overs already. With 190-odd for 7, shouldn’t the bowlers be tearing into the lower order batsmen?

both ishant and shami are in 5th match so obv they will be bit tired. Schedule has been pretty crazy for 5 match test series.

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Why do Indian bowlers resort to bowling short and lose their plan when they bowl against the tail ? When they were able to get the top order batsmen out by bowling 3rd/4th stump line, just do the same against the tail and be patient. Are Rashid and Broad better than Cook, Bairstow, Root etc. ?
 
There is enough help in these conditions. If you bowl in the right areas, you are bound to get them out. But they bowl like headless chicken against the tail and the runs from the lower order has single handedly cost the series. 
They Bowled Outside offstump But Broad and Butler Kept on Missing.Luck was not on their Side.Also England Plays 10 Batsman.

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Captain should not change field even if they get some runs. Bowlers should bowl as they are bowling to top order batsman and should keep bowling outside off even if edge goes for four or if it doesn't get edge at all.

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3 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Captain should not change field even if they get some runs. Bowlers should bowl as they are bowling to top order batsman and should keep bowling outside off even if edge goes for four or if it doesn't get edge at all.

Agree, should have 4 slips, gully, short leg  point and sweeper. Keep bowling our side off, they will nick it.

No rocket science

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1.  The English obviously know their own conditions, where batting is more difficult for the top 5.  They have therefore packed their team with lower order batsmen who know how to bat in their own country.  They are basically playing with 2 specialist bowlers.

 

2.  This has often made it difficult for us to dismiss their tail.  Because their 7 to 9 are batsmen too and have often got to bat when conditions are better for batting .

 

3.   Bowling a few bouncers is a very good idea ... not just to the tail but to top order batters too.  It makes them circumspect regarding coming forward with confidence.

 

4.  We have dismissed the true tailenders, Broad and Anderson,  rather quickly in this series ...  sometimes Butler or Curran have farmed the strike and batted with them.   Today was a rare instance when Broad scored some runs too. 

 

 

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We can say same thing for England's bowler who can't dismiss our Ashwin, Jadeja and Jayant Yadav in India. Anderson & Broad who are probably one of the best bowlers in world now and still can't get tail out in india where our bowlers easily get their tail out. It's all about home conditions too. England's players have been playing on this pitch from young ages and knows how to bat and bowl. 

     But yeah we should learn quickly before aus series as aus has pretty good tail where starc, cummins can score fifty and lyon,hazlewood can score 20 - 30 in their home conditions.

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11 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

4.  We have dismissed the true tailenders, Broad and Anderson,  rather quickly in this series ...  sometimes Butler or Curran have farmed the strike and batted with them.   Today was a rare instance when Broad scored some runs too. 

 

 

 

Need to add to this point.

 

We stop trying to get the better batsman out,  the moment a No.9 or lower comes in.  Men in catching positions are reduced for the better batsman and bowlers try to get him to get a single rather than trying to get him out or keep him under pressure like earlier.

 

This is a bad tactic against any team ... but worse against England as they don't have a bad batsman at No.9.

 

Moreover, the ball was moving so much yesterday but Kohli did not have a full slip cordon even for Broad, let alone Butler.  This resulted in many edges flying through vacant areas.  Poor captaincy.

 

 

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Or is this fixing. If it's so obvious for us , why cant kohli do it. Think about how tosses have been won by root , ishant warning when he was about to run away, England always doing Houdini act with tail and kohli keeping crappy fields..something is not right..

 

 

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