NareshK Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Why do Indian bowlers resort to bowling short and lose their plan when they bowl against the tail ? When they were able to get the top order batsmen out by bowling 3rd/4th stump line, just do the same against the tail and be patient. Are Rashid and Broad better than Cook, Bairstow, Root etc. ? There is enough help in these conditions. If you bowl in the right areas, you are bound to get them out. But they bowl like headless chicken against the tail and the runs from the lower order has single handedly cost the series. beetle and saik 2 Link to comment
zen Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Because they expect the tail to gift wkts like they would when they are batting Lannister, Stradlater, saik and 2 others 5 Link to comment
prasen82 Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 bumrah was tired. ishant cannot bowl the outswingers to right handers well and shami bowled horribly. what can we do.. Link to comment
nagraj85 Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Somethings do not change. indian bowlers not able to clean the tail of opposition indian team giving a great start to a debutant indian team giving a good send-off to a player in his last match this will continue in future too. make your mind. saik 1 Link to comment
Tibarn Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Bad plans by them and the "coaching." England doesn't have real tailenders except Anderson. Treating proper allrounders like hacks is no plan for success. Only Ali in particular looks poor vs the short ball. Link to comment
Adi BB Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Same happened in Brisbane 2014 ,same will happen again unless the bowlers and our kaptaan becomes patient and treat the tail enders like proper batsmen UrmiSinhaRay and saik 1 1 Link to comment
bowl_out Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, prasen82 said: bumrah was tired. ishant cannot bowl the outswingers to right handers well and shami bowled horribly. what can we do.. Why are bowlers tired? It’s a new day and it’s not like they bowled 150 overs already. With 190-odd for 7, shouldn’t the bowlers be tearing into the lower order batsmen? saik 1 Link to comment
Nikola Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, bowl_out said: Why are bowlers tired? It’s a new day and it’s not like they bowled 150 overs already. With 190-odd for 7, shouldn’t the bowlers be tearing into the lower order batsmen? both ishant and shami are in 5th match so obv they will be bit tired. Schedule has been pretty crazy for 5 match test series. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
CG Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Why do Indian bowlers resort to bowling short and lose their plan when they bowl against the tail ? When they were able to get the top order batsmen out by bowling 3rd/4th stump line, just do the same against the tail and be patient. Are Rashid and Broad better than Cook, Bairstow, Root etc. ? There is enough help in these conditions. If you bowl in the right areas, you are bound to get them out. But they bowl like headless chicken against the tail and the runs from the lower order has single handedly cost the series. They Bowled Outside offstump But Broad and Butler Kept on Missing.Luck was not on their Side.Also England Plays 10 Batsman. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Captain is at fault as well UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Nikola Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) Captain should not change field even if they get some runs. Bowlers should bowl as they are bowling to top order batsman and should keep bowling outside off even if edge goes for four or if it doesn't get edge at all. Edited September 8, 2018 by Nikola Link to comment
kruiser Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nikola said: Captain should not change field even if they get some runs. Bowlers should bowl as they are bowling to top order batsman and should keep bowling outside off even if edge goes for four or if it doesn't get edge at all. Agree, should have 4 slips, gully, short leg point and sweeper. Keep bowling our side off, they will nick it. No rocket science UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) 1. The English obviously know their own conditions, where batting is more difficult for the top 5. They have therefore packed their team with lower order batsmen who know how to bat in their own country. They are basically playing with 2 specialist bowlers. 2. This has often made it difficult for us to dismiss their tail. Because their 7 to 9 are batsmen too and have often got to bat when conditions are better for batting . 3. Bowling a few bouncers is a very good idea ... not just to the tail but to top order batters too. It makes them circumspect regarding coming forward with confidence. 4. We have dismissed the true tailenders, Broad and Anderson, rather quickly in this series ... sometimes Butler or Curran have farmed the strike and batted with them. Today was a rare instance when Broad scored some runs too. Edited September 8, 2018 by express bowling Mosher, UrmiSinhaRay and Stradlater 3 Link to comment
Nikola Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) We can say same thing for England's bowler who can't dismiss our Ashwin, Jadeja and Jayant Yadav in India. Anderson & Broad who are probably one of the best bowlers in world now and still can't get tail out in india where our bowlers easily get their tail out. It's all about home conditions too. England's players have been playing on this pitch from young ages and knows how to bat and bowl. But yeah we should learn quickly before aus series as aus has pretty good tail where starc, cummins can score fifty and lyon,hazlewood can score 20 - 30 in their home conditions. Edited September 8, 2018 by Nikola express bowling and UrmiSinhaRay 2 Link to comment
Stradlater Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 2 hours ago, prasen82 said: bumrah was tired. ishant cannot bowl the outswingers to right handers well and shami bowled horribly. what can we do.. Bumrah was tired in the early morning session of the test match? UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Stradlater Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 To be fair to our bowlers, England's real batting starts from 6. Apart from Anderson all the other ones can bat decently. express bowling and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Kothili Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 But, Indian bowlers like Tail. (pun intended) UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
RAZPOR Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Zero planning and on top stupid captaincy to push field back....what's there to ponder.. it's pretty clear. zen, UrmiSinhaRay and Kothili 1 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 11 hours ago, express bowling said: 4. We have dismissed the true tailenders, Broad and Anderson, rather quickly in this series ... sometimes Butler or Curran have farmed the strike and batted with them. Today was a rare instance when Broad scored some runs too. Need to add to this point. We stop trying to get the better batsman out, the moment a No.9 or lower comes in. Men in catching positions are reduced for the better batsman and bowlers try to get him to get a single rather than trying to get him out or keep him under pressure like earlier. This is a bad tactic against any team ... but worse against England as they don't have a bad batsman at No.9. Moreover, the ball was moving so much yesterday but Kohli did not have a full slip cordon even for Broad, let alone Butler. This resulted in many edges flying through vacant areas. Poor captaincy. Mosher and UrmiSinhaRay 2 Link to comment
Lannister Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 This is the biggest factor in losing this series. Usually, coaching staff should come up with a plan but they are not doing their job. They have no idea how to tackle this problem even after playing 5 matches. UrmiSinhaRay and Adi BB 1 1 Link to comment
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