How do we select Test players going forward

[prasen82]

Considering that this series is done and dusted (barring a miracle we should mostly lose this test by 4th day lunch or before tea ) what should be our approach for selecting test players for future tours. The nepotism /favoritism towards existing players should stop.

 

 

We keep going back to TTF without giving the equal rope to players who have been successful in ranji.

 

IPL performances matter more than ranji and that is reflected in our selections. This would pose a long term problem wherein folks start to aim only for IPL as all others will be secondary and this will start the death knell for cricket in india.

 

I feel in the name of talent we tend to give a very long rope to existing players compared to newbies. Similarly we judge performances by stats rather than situations. As fans we are also guilty of this.

 

I feel Ranji and A series tours should  be the way forward for players. Every player should get at least 4 away tests and 3 home tests before they get discarded.  There will be exception only if the players appear woefully out of depth.

 

RANJI -A tour - senior team should be the mode of entrywl. People discarded from senior team will need to again perform in ranji and a tours well  to be selected again. 

 

And players should be identified as specialists based on type of pitch and opposition mix. Not everyone can be a kohli. Horses for courses strategy needs to be there. Again if wishes were horses.

 

 

Edited September 8, 2018 by prasen82

[Tibarn]

One has to trust Ranji trophy and A team tours. What else is there?

[zen]

I am not a big fan of processes and rules esp. in sports. But there needs to be some guidelines for tests:

 

• Pick batsmen based on class. Bowlers based on current form. Remember that SR is for bowlers in tests  
• WK is a specialist position. Once Wkt-Keeping skills are deemed to be adequate for tests, batting should be considered 
• New players being introduced should ideally come in based on Ranji and Ind A performances 
• If a player is fast tracked based on potential. Give him 3-4 series to adjust to the learning curve 
• Injured players should automatically sit out of the next test unless they confidently pass the fitness test. Concepts such as this 80% fit player is still better than the 100% fit guy on the bench should not be applied 
• Unless necessary, in a long series, rotate the fast bowlers. Don't give them too many continuous tests 
• Don't tamper with the balance of the 11 to provide cushion (or cover for struggling players) to batting or bowling. First step is to optimize the slots by picking the 5 best inform batsmen for the conditions, the 4 bowlers, and the WK position. Once the best (non struggling) players are identified, adjust the remaining slot, which, ideally, should go to an all-rounder
• Apart from the 16 member squad, a list of reserves should be available with packing order for the next 2-3 series. Once the selectors meet we should know who would be playing the WI and Aus test series, along with who their replacements would be if the players don't make it for whatever reason (lack of performance, fitness issues, injury, playing conditions, etc.). This also helps the players, both in the squad and in reserve, to prepare accordingly 
• Hire a data analyst to gather relevant information on players (esp. what would make them successful in the upcoming series), opposition (strengths and weaknesses of players) and conditions. The dossier should be handed out to everyone so that they can prepare accordingly. Once the series is over, the analyst and team management should sit together to make the updates 
• Wherever possible, reserve a couple of slots in the squad for youngsters so that they can learn 

 

That's what I can think of now 

 

 

Edited September 8, 2018 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

identify a talent n back him n backing doesnt mean 2-3 games, it cud even mean 10-15 games

Filter the crap like dhawan n rohit, dnt get delusions on basis of Lanka bashing 

 

Select a player at right time

Mayank shud have been tested by now hadnt we wasted time on Dhawan

Nair also if not for rohit . 

Till now we wud have knwn if to persist with them or move ahead. Now shaw n vihari have gone ahead

 

 

Siraj shud have been in england, what an ideal place for a fast bowler to debut

 

Edited September 8, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[prasen82]

It's about selecting and giving enough chances in appropriate conditions for the selected youngsters. 

 

And rotation is a must. Dont play the same set of  players for every series . Define workload limits. 

 

For the reserves they should also tour during every away series and play parallel test series with the respective a side ke county sides.  I see that happening now and should continue. 

 

 

Edited September 8, 2018 by prasen82

[nevada]

No soft debuts at home against crap opposition. Just throw them in the deep end overseas itself. Dravid and Ganguly debuted in swinging conditions in England and did just fine.

[rtmohanlal]

 i think we need to keep on with trail and error methods  until we get quality all round batsmen(a top 6 with variety for all formats and all conditions as  possible as it can get).Never get satisfied  with  one dimensional players like Vijay(test only player with limited talent),Dhawan(one day player &  proving as  utter failure in 3 of SENA in tests),Pujara(test player only with not a good record in any 1 of SENA yet),Rahane(test player only  with brilliant record in 3 of SENA), Rahul(not good in any format and any condition as of now).

Means Kohli alone is the 1 deserving element in this top 6. Then Rahane & Pujara... both needs to be sustained with until adequate replacements are found out.Others need to be permanently  dropped from at least tests for  ever.

Compare this to Sachin,Ganguly,Dravid,Laxman,Sehwag,Gambhir & Yuvraj. What a core group that was!!!!. Laxman was test specialist, Yuvraj was one day specialist , all the others 'brilliant to atleast'  good in both. That is what makes a good team. Even the least 'all format player' in that group Gambhir was far better than  any one from this group except Kohli.

[tweaker]

First the nonperformers should be thrown out.Dhawan,Rahul, should have been dropped for the Asia cup.Mayank ,Siraj should have ideally be in the squad for the England series.

 

Instead of selecting Patel, Karthik, Axar the selection committee should select Bharat, Gopal, .

[vayuu1]

Grit and determination should be the mantra for the bat find those who are willing to do that even if some have ugly technique

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[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, vayuu1 said:

Grit and determination should be the mantra for the bat find those who are willing to do that even if some have ugly technique

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then likes of rayudu will be selected

That alone cnt be the mantra

[NareshK]

Hopefully more specialists who only play one format but for strange reasons, this never happens in Indian cricket.

[express bowling]

Batsmen --

 

1. Good off-stump game and play the ball under their eyes.  

2.  Decent against short balls.

3. Performer in FC and Unofficial tests for India-A.

4.  Have the grit to hang on in touch situations.

 

Pacers --

 

1.  Have pace and bounce.

2. Can put a high percentage of deliveries in the right areas.

3.  Wicket taker in FC and in Unofficial tests for India-A.

 

 

Spinners --

 

1.  Gives the ball lots of revs and can turn the ball on most surfaces.

2.  Has a good flipper / arm ball  and  googly / carrom ball if possible.

3.  Wicket taker in FC and in Unofficial tests for India-A.

 

 

General --

 

Has genuine will to play and excel in test cricket.

 

 

Edited September 9, 2018 by express bowling

[prasen82]

1 hour ago, NareshK said:

Hopefully more specialists who only play one format but for strange reasons, this never happens in Indian cricket.

I think this is crucial.  IPL and tests dont go hand in hand unless you are a kohli. Sooner bcci realizes this the better it is.

 

The fundamentals of our batsmen seem so bad.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, NareshK said:

Hopefully more specialists who only play one format but for strange reasons, this never happens in Indian cricket.

 

Vijay, Pujara, Ashwin, Shami ... even Rahane nowadays.  All are test specialists now.

 

None have done well this year in tests.

 

The multi format players ... Kohli, Bumrah, Bhuvi have been really good.

 

Thing is ...  any cricketer who gets left out from the LOI squads and does not get a fat IPL contract feels left out and demotivated.  That is where the main interest lies these days.

[express bowling]

Main thing is ... don't play TTFs and HTBs in home test series.  (  Like Dhawan, Rohit, Karthick )

 

Utilize this opportunity to develop all condition test cricketers.

 

We missed this chance on the 2016 and 2017 test series and the 2018 test vs Afghanistan.

 

Must do it in test series vs WI.  Must play Shaw, Vihari, Nair, Pant, Siraj, Saini.

Edited September 9, 2018 by express bowling

[prasen82]

Pujara did well

Shami martial problems

Ashwin injury and weight problems

Rahane is the only one and he has been underperforming for 2 years.

[vayuu1]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

then likes of rayudu will be selected

That alone cnt be the mantra

Problem is rayudu is 30 plus and he does that in Odis not tests 

[vayuu1]

You need to pick players according to formats and create a bench strength according to that 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, vayuu1 said:

Problem is rayudu is 30 plus and he does that in Odis not tests 

even if he was below 30 he still didnt have the international class 

does what?

[vayuu1]

Like identify the players who are comfortable in longer formats and those who are comfortable in shorter formats.