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James Anderson averages 26.87. Glenn McGrath averaged 21.

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I can't fathom how a bowler can average only 21. I can't visualize it. 

 

But the average is the least impressive thing about McGrath. It's his economy rates, and that the fact that he did this with a deficiency in pace. The true version of skill over brawns!

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McGrath is like tier one bowler anderson lower tier 2 or upper tier 3 bowler. Anderson has played many more innings than mcgrath did also many more matches in favourable conditions. There is not even comparision between both. It's like Ashwin breaking Warne's and Murali's records.

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Easy to imagine if you saw him bowl. Relentlessly accurate. Add short temper after follow through and a vile mouth.

 

That combination was enough to unnerve the best batsmen. Contributory factors, of course, were there. Mouthy aussie fielders, no weak bowler to release pressure, superb all round fielding and catching, and almost always batting against a large run deficit.

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3 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Easy to imagine if you saw him bowl. Relentlessly accurate. Add short temper after follow through and a vile mouth.

 

That combination was enough to unnerve the best batsmen. Contributory factors, of course, were there. Mouthy aussie fielders, no weak bowler to release pressure, superb all round fielding and catching, and almost always batting against a large run deficit.

Utter rubbish. McGrath was the iceman, much like his captain Steve Waugh. If you want to see short temper, check Anderson and Broad. Sledging is for mortal bowlers. McGrath is immortal. He is not a bowler. It is an insult to call him a bowler. McGrath was an intellecutal. He was too good, too smart for resorting to sledging. 

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4 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

Utter rubbish. McGrath was the iceman, much like his captain Steve Waugh. If you want to see short temper, check Anderson and Broad. Sledging is for mortal bowlers. McGrath is immortal. He is not a bowler. It is an insult to call him a bowler. McGrath was an intellecutal. He was too good, too smart for resorting to sledging. 

LMAO!

 

Now collect your KY Jelly and respectfully bend over before the 'iceman' :hysterical:

 

 

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30 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

I can't fathom how a bowler can average only 21. I can't visualize it. 

 

But the average is the least impressive thing about McGrath. It's his economy rates, and that the fact that he did this with a deficiency in pace. The true version of skill over brawns!

that ER plays a big role in reducing average.

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47 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Mcgrath in these modern times will give away more runs resulting in higher ER and average.

 

Though, nothing to take away from him, he was absolutely an ATG without any doubt. Legend :hatsoff: 

yes, possibly. 

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1 hour ago, Shunya said:

Mcgrath in these modern times will give away more runs resulting in higher ER and average.

 

Though, nothing to take away from him, he was absolutely an ATG without any doubt. Legend :hatsoff: 

He will also take more wickets per match.

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2 hours ago, lamellavig said:

Utter rubbish. McGrath was the iceman, much like his captain Steve Waugh. If you want to see short temper, check Anderson and Broad. Sledging is for mortal bowlers. McGrath is immortal. He is not a bowler. It is an insult to call him a bowler. McGrath was an intellecutal. He was too good, too smart for resorting to sledging. 

mcgrath used to sledge a lot,he also used to make big statements before a series.Steve waugh too was big on sledging, he would call it mental disintegration  .Donald was another bowler who used to sledge ,as did Shane Warne.Broad used to sledge before now he does it occasionally.Anderson hardly sledges,Umesh yadav doesnt sledge either.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, vivek04 said:

Given the Cheating history (& present) of Australia, no wonder they could indulged in ball tampering in the past to get reverse swing etc. Also, Anderson is a overcast green track bully.

Many teams and bowlers have accepted that they did tamper the ball in 80s and 90s. McGrath didn't really need to tamper the ball as he wasn't reverse swing bowler. He rarely did that. Infact indians have tampered ball too. Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib have accepted that they tampered so that makes them any less than what the achieved?

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4 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Many teams and bowlers have accepted that they did tamper the ball in 80s and 90s. McGrath didn't really need to tamper the ball as he wasn't reverse swing bowler. He rarely did that. Infact indians have tampered ball too. Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib have accepted that they tampered so that makes them any less than what the achieved?

You yourself gave the answer. They are used to be called tainted bowlers along with great bowlers which questions their credibility. 

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2 minutes ago, vivek04 said:

You yourself gave the answer. They are used to be called tainted bowlers along with great bowlers which questions their credibility. 

Nope. You said Australia might have tried to tamper ball on many occasions but their bowlers were not reverse swing bowlers at all. Pitches were bouncy and had bit of help at times and these bowlers used to make most of it.

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4 hours ago, Shunya said:

Mcgrath in these modern times will give away more runs resulting in higher ER and average.

 

Though, nothing to take away from him, he was absolutely an ATG without any doubt. Legend :hatsoff: 

Higher average? No. Anderson averages 23-24 in last 8 years. McGrath could easily average 21 in same time.

 

Accuracy was always key in test cricket irrespective of era.

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23 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Higher average? No. Anderson averages 23-24 in last 8 years. McGrath could easily average 21 in same time.

 

Accuracy was always key in test cricket irrespective of era.

Right, if you say Anderson averages 23-34 in last 8 years than Mcgrath can indeed do 21-22 avg, highly possible. But still will need more deeper analysis that include supporting bowlers, batting strikerates of different decades, Aussies always on top, etc (Almost everything that Sarchasm mentioned above).

 

I feel Anderson is not very far from Mcgrath. Their strike rate is not much different. 52-56 is almost similar.

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28 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Right, if you say Anderson averages 23-34 in last 8 years than Mcgrath can indeed do 21-22 avg, highly possible. But still will need more deeper analysis that include supporting bowlers, batting strikerates of different decades, Aussies always on top, etc (Almost everything that Sarchasm mentioned above).

 

I feel Anderson is not very far from Mcgrath. Their strike rate is not much different. 52-56 is almost similar.

Anderson is far from McGrath. 

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1 minute ago, lamellavig said:

Well said. McGrath was a level above peak Anderson. Peak McGrath was three levels ahead of peak Anderson. 

Yes, Anderson averages 24 for his 400 wickets - that too by taking close to 250 in England.

 

McGrath at peak took close to 400 wickets at avg of 19-20 with good performances all over the world.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Yes, Anderson averages 24 for his 400 wickets - that too by taking close to 250 in England.

 

McGrath at peak took close to 400 wickets at avg of 19-20 with good performances all over the world.

 

 

I am treally surprised at the way people are pooh poohing Anderson's achievement.

 

Anderson had to bowl allmost all the best batsmen in world. He did not started the same. But from 2008 onwards he started turning it around. And good bit is, He has kept it same.

 

To put it in simple terms, Anderson is greatest New ball bowlers I have seen. that includes the period starting Gtreat Marshall.

For stats, he may beat Great Kumble in number of Test Wickets

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9 hours ago, lamellavig said:

that the fact that he did this with a deficiency in pace.

i would not call he was lacking pace. 130-138 is good pace for a guy of his height and his freakish accuracy and control ->  gilly and others tell of his picture perfect setups based on discussions prior to the over ! like ball to ball where it lands what happens and when and where the catch goes

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McGrath may be the best pace bowler of all time. What he did with his nagging line and length and bounce because of his height was remarkable. And unlike Anderson he has succeeded in all conditions against all opponents!!

 

The two bowlers that I rate consistently over the others are Malcolm Marshall and Glenn McGrath.

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Take that dukes ball away from him and Clouderson's record wouldnt have been as impressive even in England. McGrath is the greatest fast bowler to ever hold a ball. At his absolute peak(1995-2005) he took nearly 450 wickets at a shade under 19 or something ridiculous like that. That is better than the career stats if even Steyn,Marshall,Ambrose  etc. Thatalso includes wickets at a low average in Asia and a high percentage of top order wickets. 

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