Popular Post Nikola Posted September 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) Bhuvneshwar Kumar's Stats (87 matches) He has played 87 matches and has 90 ODI wickets to his name at avg of 38.85 & strike rate of 46.5 Avg vs Top 4 countries. Australia (12 matches) - 64.37 England (14 matches) - 53.50 South Africa (13 matches) - 52.92 New Zealand (8 matches) - 48.00 Okay, most people will ignore or oppose this but the truth is he is a massively overrated bowler and is very very lucky to represent Indian team even after this poor performance for soo long. He can win you match with the bat against Lankans but surely can't do at world cup stage. Yes, he can pick 2 or 3 wickets against Pakistan in Asia cup but that doesn't hide his inconsistency for such a long period of time. There have been bowlers who have won us world cup (Munaf Patel, Sreesanth, RP Singh) who had better avg than this trundler bhuvi but they were never given this long rope? I don't have an issue with bhuvi but if you are playing Hardik Pandya then you need strike bowler, not a bowler who will try to bowl his overs at fewer runs. In Tests, his stats will look great cause he only plays on green tops. In t20 he is as good bowler as Bumrah is but other two formats he is surely overrated. @beetle No this is not a troll so don't react that way. This is real stats of him and there is nothing I faked. Edited October 8, 2018 by Nikola express bowling, Stan AF, Adi BB and 8 others 1 2 1 7 Link to comment
Tibarn Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Overrated depends on what one rates him as: If one rates him as one of the best overall bowlers in ODIs , I think they are clearly wrong: he doesn't take wickets, so he puts pressure on the other bowlers to take them. If one rates him as one of the best death bowlers in ODIs, then I think they are right. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
LORD_analyst Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Nikola said: Avg vs Top 4 countries. Australia (12 matches) - 64.37 England (14 matches) - 53.50 South Africa (13 matches) - 52.92 New Zealand (8 matches) - 48.00 even hardik pandya will have better avg. than bhuvi. Edited September 13, 2018 by beetle UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) We need to develop a couple of new pacers for ODIs ... to partner Bumrah. We wasted this chance in England by picking Kaul and Umesh. Kaul is good for T20s only and there are better choices for that format even. Umesh should stick to test matches. Khaleel Ahmed is a good choice. Needs to be backed strongly so that he develops into a good ODI bowler. Saini needs to be looked at too. We can replace Bhuvi only if we are able to develop good replacements. And this needs foresight and a clear vision about what we need , assessing ability of what we have currently, mentoring ability to develop new options and the courage to make the transition. Do we have it ? Edited September 13, 2018 by express bowling Mosher and UrmiSinhaRay 2 Link to comment
Frustrated Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 35 minutes ago, LORD_analyst said: even harpic pandya will have better avg. than boobie. Harpic Pandya. UrmiSinhaRay, LORD_analyst and raki05 1 2 Link to comment
Nikola Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 54 minutes ago, Tibarn said: Overrated depends on what one rates him as: If one rates him as one of the best overall bowlers in ODIs , I think they are clearly wrong: he doesn't take wickets, so he puts pressure on the other bowlers to take them. If one rates him as one of the best death bowlers in ODIs, then I think they are right. What's use of that pressure and death bowling when he is clearly trundling and having such poor stats? Till now many bowlers came and went but no one was just putting pressure? Obviously if he puts soo much pressure he should get wickets to himself as well? I feel he gets getting free ride because of bumrah and two wrist spinners. Team is winning because of these 3 so they are not bothered too much to change the xi. LORD_analyst, express bowling and UrmiSinhaRay 1 2 Link to comment
Nikola Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 I know all people will come barking after he gives one good performance in asia cup. They are just waiting for that but this doesn't hide his pathetic stats and inability to get good batsman out on these flat odi pitches. LORD_analyst, UrmiSinhaRay, Hell Raiser and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
zen Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Not a big fan playing Bhuvi in Tests and ODIs unless conditions assist him .... In T20s, he is a good option UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
LORD_analyst Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, zen said: Bhuvi in Tests and ODIs unless conditions assist him .... In T20s, he is a good option exactly....swing has dissapeared in odis raki05 and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 he is good at death but not picking wkts with new ball UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
LORD_analyst Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Tibarn said: If one rates him as one of the best death bowlers in ODIs, then I think they are right. a strike bowler is much better than a bowler is good at last 4 overs when the elephant has gone and tail remains.... can decrease opposition total by 10 runs, but can't win u matches.... UrmiSinhaRay and raki05 1 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: he is good at death but not picking wkts with new ball we can still play him as third seamer and find someone else for new ball. Pandya isn't a 3rd seamer. Even stokes does not play as a 3rd seamer for England. I would like Pandya to bat at 6 and become the 6th bowler in near future once Dhoni retires and Pant at 5. Find someone else for #7 a bowler who bats well. UrmiSinhaRay and Clarke 1 1 Link to comment
Nikola Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Tibarn said: If one rates him as one of the best death bowlers in ODIs, then I think they are right. If you have strike bowler who take wickets upfront then you won't even need death bowling most of the time. You are needing his death bowling because he can't get wickets at start or middle. Luckly spinners and bumrah are doing the job but if they sometime fail to get wickets then you know even his death bowling won't be useful against top order batsman. LORD_analyst, UrmiSinhaRay and raki05 1 1 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, rkt.india said: we can still play him as third seamer and find someone else for new ball. Pandya isn't a 3rd seamer. Even stokes does not play as a 3rd seamer for England. I would like Pandya to bat at 6 and become the 6th bowler in near future once Dhoni retires and Pant at 5. Find someone else for #7 a bowler who bats well. yea we can , Bhuvi still does enough to keep his place . Bats a bit.....is good at death I hve been saying we shud also have a plan to play 3 seamers + 1 spinner + Hardik + krunal , this also allows us to have a left arm seamer in the attack at this point we are jst stuck with one plan 2 pace + 2 spinner + hardik + half a bowler in jadhav.....this will backfire someday specially if one bowler has off or opposition will soon figure a plan against kuldeep n chahal. UrmiSinhaRay, swastikpanda2 and zen 1 2 Link to comment
Pollack Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 If you have one very good new ball bowler and one decent (bumrah) then you don't need two death bowlers (bhuvi and bumrah) since only one very good death bowler (bumrah) and one decent one would do the job. So, we need to find a pace bowler who is very good new ball bowler and a decent death blower. Note: By decent death bowler I just mean one who isn't terrible in leaking runs.He may still be a bit expensive. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Tibarn Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Nikola said: If you have strike bowler who take wickets upfront then you won't even need death bowling most of the time. You are needing his death bowling because he can't get wickets at start or middle. Luckly spinners and bumrah are doing the job but if they sometime fail to get wickets then you know even his death bowling won't be useful against top order batsman. What's use of that pressure and death bowling when he is clearly trundling and having such poor stats? Till now many bowlers came and went but no one was just putting pressure? Obviously if he puts soo much pressure he should get wickets to himself as well? I feel he gets getting free ride because of bumrah and two wrist spinners. Team is winning because of these 3 so they are not bothered too much to change the xi. I agree with you, but the other established bowlers who we use in ODIs are Shami and Umesh. Both are good wicket takers, but neither bowls well at the death. Shami is also a minus in the field. BK is not crap with the bat. With the WC so close, I doubt the thinktank will look past him now, barring injury. 1 hour ago, LORD_analyst said: a strike bowler is much better than a bowler is good at last 4 overs when the elephant has gone and tail remains.... can decrease opposition total by 10 runs, but can't win u matches.... Definitely, some bowlers in ODIs have low ERs only because the opposition plays them out without having to take risks. After the batsmen are set they go bananas. Strike bowlers need to remove them before they get set, particularly in the middle overs. There is no way we are beating Aus or England in ODIs without removing their middle orders. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
PSB_Zone Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) Even if India is not able to get good bowler till the world cup, There is always the option of going back to mohammad shami...Now he has Good experince of English conditions and also he is not alien for odis as well.. U might need shami bhuvi bumrah all in some conditions with only one wrist spinner and pandya Edited September 13, 2018 by PSB_Zone zen, UrmiSinhaRay, Frustrated and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
prasen82 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Team - bottom to top Khaleel, prasiddh and bumrah. (3 pacers Kuldeep and pandya/jadeja.( 1 spinner and 1 all rounder) Dk/manish/kedar - kedar will have a edge Dhoni/Pant Kl rahul Kohli Shikhar Rohit If we want to strengthen batting then drop one of khaleel and prasiddh and replace with jaddu or pandya. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Clarke Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 He should be in the scheme of things, not necessarily always in the squad. He does some things such as ER better than others but that alone doesn't guarantee a place in the side. He was our best bowler overall in CT 2017, although we didn't have the wrist spin twins to help us win the trophy. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Lannister Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 It comes down to selectors mixing up the formats and not getting it right. He is good in T20s but not so much in ODIs. You need tearaway quicks in LOIs to negate the flat pitch which is norm these days. Kumar neither has pace nor bounce. He is going to cost us the world up if he's included in the team. We only bowl two fast bowlers these days and surely one of them cannot be him. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
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