Bhuvneshwar Kumar is Overrated in ODIs?

[Lala]

He more economical bowler than wicket taker. Indian wale kulasekara who bowls lot of slow inswingers to get lbw or bowled 

[express bowling]

In the last 3 years,  Bhuvi has the highest average  ( 44.8 )  among all ODI pacers who have taken 30+ wickets.

 

This is poor performance.

 

(  3 years is the usual period used for ICC rankings )

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
Hasan Ali (PAK)	2016-2018	33	33	272.1	11	1420	68	5/34	20.88	5.21	24.0	1	3
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)	2016-2018	37	37	309.5	19	1440	64	5/27	22.50	4.64	29.0	3	1
MJ Henry (NZ)	2015-2018	19	18	161.0	8	884	39	5/40	22.66	5.49	24.7	3	1
MA Starc (AUS)	2016-2018	26	26	234.3	12	1185	51	4/29	23.23	5.05	27.5	3	0
Mustafizur Rahman (BDESH)	2015-2018	24	23	184.2	9	894	38	5/34	23.52	4.84	29.1	1	1
JR Hazlewood (AUS)	2016-2018	28	27	253.1	12	1230	50	6/52	24.60	4.85	30.3	0	2
JW Hastings (AUS)	2016-2017	16	16	140.2	4	769	31	6/45	24.80	5.47	27.1	1	1
TA Boult (NZ)	2016-2018	39	39	351.4	17	1898	76	7/34	24.97	5.39	27.7	2	3
LE Plunkett (ENG)	2016-2018	39	38	311.2	7	1802	69	5/52	26.11	5.78	27.0	5	1
CR Woakes (ENG)	2015-2018	39	38	318.0	22	1629	62	4/33	26.27	5.12	30.7	6	0
NLTC Perera (SL)	2016-2018	30	28	160.2	2	991	34	4/33	29.14	6.18	28.2	2	0
K Rabada (SA)	2015-2018	47	46	399.3	21	2054	70	4/39	29.34	5.14	34.2	5	0
TL Chatara (ZIM)	2016-2018	30	30	222.2	17	1152	39	4/33	29.53	5.18	34.2	1	0
Mashrafe Mortaza (BDESH)	2015-2018	33	33	278.3	12	1388	45	4/29	30.84	4.98	37.1	2	0
JO Holder (WI)	2015-2018	47	46	384.0	17	2015	64	5/27	31.48	5.24	36.0	1	2
JP Faulkner (AUS)	2016-2017	25	24	206.3	3	1147	36	4/32	31.86	5.55	34.4	2	0
PJ Cummins (AUS)	2016-2018	21	21	191.5	10	989	31	4/24	31.90	5.15	37.1	2	0
RAS Lakmal (SL)	2015-2018	42	41	308.2	17	1628	51	4/13	31.92	5.28	36.2	2	0
UT Yadav (INDIA)	2015-2018	23	22	194.0	5	1225	36	4/71	34.02	6.31	32.3	1	0
Mohammad Amir (PAK)	2016-2018	28	28	231.4	16	1126	33	3/16	34.12	4.86	42.1	0	0
AL Phehlukwayo (SA)	2016-2018	30	30	206.4	8	1229	35	4/40	35.11	5.94	35.4	2	0
DJ Willey (ENG)	2015-2018	36	35	245.3	10	1376	36	4/34	38.22	5.60	40.9	2	0
HH Pandya (INDIA)	2016-2018	41	40	289.5	3	1614	40	3/31	40.35	5.56	43.4	0	0
TG Southee (NZ)	2015-2018	35	35	309.5	18	1735	41	3/22	42.31	5.59	45.3	0	0
B Kumar (INDIA)	2015-2018	37	36	293.3	14	1657	37	5/42	44.78	5.64	47.5	0	1

 

 

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[Nikola]

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

In the last 3 years,  Bhuvi has the highest average  ( 44.8 )  among all ODI pacers who have taken 30+ wickets.

 

This is poor performance.

 

(  3 years is the usual period used for ICC rankings )

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
Hasan Ali (PAK)	2016-2018	33	33	272.1	11	1420	68	5/34	20.88	5.21	24.0	1	3
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)	2016-2018	37	37	309.5	19	1440	64	5/27	22.50	4.64	29.0	3	1
MJ Henry (NZ)	2015-2018	19	18	161.0	8	884	39	5/40	22.66	5.49	24.7	3	1
MA Starc (AUS)	2016-2018	26	26	234.3	12	1185	51	4/29	23.23	5.05	27.5	3	0
Mustafizur Rahman (BDESH)	2015-2018	24	23	184.2	9	894	38	5/34	23.52	4.84	29.1	1	1
JR Hazlewood (AUS)	2016-2018	28	27	253.1	12	1230	50	6/52	24.60	4.85	30.3	0	2
JW Hastings (AUS)	2016-2017	16	16	140.2	4	769	31	6/45	24.80	5.47	27.1	1	1
TA Boult (NZ)	2016-2018	39	39	351.4	17	1898	76	7/34	24.97	5.39	27.7	2	3
LE Plunkett (ENG)	2016-2018	39	38	311.2	7	1802	69	5/52	26.11	5.78	27.0	5	1
CR Woakes (ENG)	2015-2018	39	38	318.0	22	1629	62	4/33	26.27	5.12	30.7	6	0
NLTC Perera (SL)	2016-2018	30	28	160.2	2	991	34	4/33	29.14	6.18	28.2	2	0
K Rabada (SA)	2015-2018	47	46	399.3	21	2054	70	4/39	29.34	5.14	34.2	5	0
TL Chatara (ZIM)	2016-2018	30	30	222.2	17	1152	39	4/33	29.53	5.18	34.2	1	0
Mashrafe Mortaza (BDESH)	2015-2018	33	33	278.3	12	1388	45	4/29	30.84	4.98	37.1	2	0
JO Holder (WI)	2015-2018	47	46	384.0	17	2015	64	5/27	31.48	5.24	36.0	1	2
JP Faulkner (AUS)	2016-2017	25	24	206.3	3	1147	36	4/32	31.86	5.55	34.4	2	0
PJ Cummins (AUS)	2016-2018	21	21	191.5	10	989	31	4/24	31.90	5.15	37.1	2	0
RAS Lakmal (SL)	2015-2018	42	41	308.2	17	1628	51	4/13	31.92	5.28	36.2	2	0
UT Yadav (INDIA)	2015-2018	23	22	194.0	5	1225	36	4/71	34.02	6.31	32.3	1	0
Mohammad Amir (PAK)	2016-2018	28	28	231.4	16	1126	33	3/16	34.12	4.86	42.1	0	0
AL Phehlukwayo (SA)	2016-2018	30	30	206.4	8	1229	35	4/40	35.11	5.94	35.4	2	0
DJ Willey (ENG)	2015-2018	36	35	245.3	10	1376	36	4/34	38.22	5.60	40.9	2	0
HH Pandya (INDIA)	2016-2018	41	40	289.5	3	1614	40	3/31	40.35	5.56	43.4	0	0
TG Southee (NZ)	2015-2018	35	35	309.5	18	1735	41	3/22	42.31	5.59	45.3	0	0
B Kumar (INDIA)	2015-2018	37	36	293.3	14	1657	37	5/42	44.78	5.64	47.5	0	1

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;qualmin1=30;qualval1=wickets;spanmax1=14+Sep+2018;spanmin1=14+Sep+2015;spanval1=span;team=1;team=2;team=25;team=3;team=4;team=5;team=6;team=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=bowling

Yeah also people say he is not wicket taker but more of economical bowlers well many here in list are way more economical than him and if you go more deep into stats his economy vs top countries will be around 6+ for sure. Idk how he deserves spot in side when youngsters like siraj can perform way better than him.

 

Edit: See his stats vs top countries since 2015.

 

Sad thing is even hardik pandya (who is not even good 5th bowling option) has better avg and stats than bhuvi :( 

These defender of bhuvi are silent cause he is good guy but you can't just be good guy and be such underperformer. He surely doesn't deserve an spot for worldcup.

Edited September 14, 2018 by Nikola

[express bowling]

Bhuvi is thought to be an economical bowler in ODIs ...  but has the 5th highest economy rate in the last 3 years among 20 pacers with 30+ wickets.

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)	2016-2018	37	37	309.5	19	1440	64	5/27	22.50	4.64	29.0	3	1
Mustafizur Rahman (BDESH)	2015-2018	24	23	184.2	9	894	38	5/34	23.52	4.84	29.1	1	1
JR Hazlewood (AUS)	2016-2018	28	27	253.1	12	1230	50	6/52	24.60	4.85	30.3	0	2
Mohammad Amir (PAK)	2016-2018	28	28	231.4	16	1126	33	3/16	34.12	4.86	42.1	0	0
Mashrafe Mortaza (BDESH)	2015-2018	33	33	278.3	12	1388	45	4/29	30.84	4.98	37.1	2	0
MA Starc (AUS)	2016-2018	26	26	234.3	12	1185	51	4/29	23.23	5.05	27.5	3	0
CR Woakes (ENG)	2015-2018	39	38	318.0	22	1629	62	4/33	26.27	5.12	30.7	6	0
K Rabada (SA)	2015-2018	47	46	399.3	21	2054	70	4/39	29.34	5.14	34.2	5	0
PJ Cummins (AUS)	2016-2018	21	21	191.5	10	989	31	4/24	31.90	5.15	37.1	2	0
TL Chatara (ZIM)	2016-2018	30	30	222.2	17	1152	39	4/33	29.53	5.18	34.2	1	0
Hasan Ali (PAK)	2016-2018	33	33	272.1	11	1420	68	5/34	20.88	5.21	24.0	1	3
JO Holder (WI)	2015-2018	47	46	384.0	17	2015	64	5/27	31.48	5.24	36.0	1	2
RAS Lakmal (SL)	2015-2018	42	41	308.2	17	1628	51	4/13	31.92	5.28	36.2	2	0
TA Boult (NZ)	2016-2018	39	39	351.4	17	1898	76	7/34	24.97	5.39	27.7	2	3
JW Hastings (AUS)	2016-2017	16	16	140.2	4	769	31	6/45	24.80	5.47	27.1	1	1
MJ Henry (NZ)	2015-2018	19	18	161.0	8	884	39	5/40	22.66	5.49	24.7	3	1
JP Faulkner (AUS)	2016-2017	25	24	206.3	3	1147	36	4/32	31.86	5.55	34.4	2	0
HH Pandya (INDIA)	2016-2018	41	40	289.5	3	1614	40	3/31	40.35	5.56	43.4	0	0
TG Southee (NZ)	2015-2018	35	35	309.5	18	1735	41	3/22	42.31	5.59	45.3	0	0
DJ Willey (ENG)	2015-2018	36	35	245.3	10	1376	36	4/34	38.22	5.60	40.9	2	0
B Kumar (INDIA)	2015-2018	37	36	293.3	14	1657	37	5/42	44.78	5.64	47.5	0	1
LE Plunkett (ENG)	2016-2018	39	38	311.2	7	1802	69	5/52	26.11	5.78	27.0	5	1
AL Phehlukwayo (SA)	2016-2018	30	30	206.4	8	1229	35	4/40	35.11	5.94	35.4	2	0
NLTC Perera (SL)	2016-2018	30	28	160.2	2	991	34	4/33	29.14	6.18	28.2	2	0
UT Yadav (INDIA)	2015-2018	23	22	194.0	5	1225	36	4/71	34.02	6.31	32.3	1	0

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=economy_rate;qualmin1=30;qualval1=wickets;spanmax1=14+Sep+2018;spanmin1=14+Sep+2015;spanval1=span;team=1;team=2;team=25;team=3;team=4;team=5;team=6;team=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=bowling

Edited September 14, 2018 by express bowling

[Nikhil_cric]

He is our most accurate bowler but cannot sustain pace especially if he is going to play a lot of cricket. If he is fully match fit and his back is perfectly fine, I think we should play him in the UAE. Bumrah has just played 3 tests and UAE wickets have the least pace and bounce even less than those in India. No point bumrah hitting the deck hard when it's only gonna rise knee high. Just get bhuvi to bowl that good length a little further outside off stump and pack the offside field. Later on I think there might be reverse swing which he can exploit better than bumrah. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

He is our most accurate bowler but cannot sustain pace especially if he is going to play a lot of cricket. If he is fully match fit and his back is perfectly fine, I think we should play him in the UAE. Bumrah has just played 3 tests and UAE wickets have the least pace and bounce even less than those in India. No point bumrah hitting the deck hard when it's only gonna rise knee high. Just get bhuvi to bowl that good length a little further outside off stump and pack the offside field. Later on I think there might be reverse swing which he can exploit better than bumrah. 

 

Bumrah has done well on the low tracks in India.  He has the ability to bowl stump directed quick and skiddy deliveries too. He is the No.1 ranked ODI pacer for a reason.

 

Regarding Bhuvi ... we have to develop a backup before replacing him. And that can be done only against weak teams or in bilaterals.

 

Khaleel needs to be in the playing 11  against Hong Kong and in the bilateral ODI series vs WI.

Edited September 14, 2018 by express bowling

[raki05]

21 hours ago, Tibarn said:

Overrated depends on what one rates him as:

 

If one rates him as one of the best overall bowlers in ODIs , I think they are clearly wrong: he doesn't take wickets, so he puts pressure on the other bowlers to take them.

 

If one rates him as one of the best death bowlers in ODIs, then I think they are right. 

Him being best death bowler is also overrated. One of the reason we got massacred in ct17 final was him as well. Where no body like hafeez belted him in death overs. So no he is not best death bowler around only bumrah and starc are.

[velu]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

Him being best death bowler is also overrated. One of the reason we got massacred in ct17 final was him as well. Where no body like hafeez belted him in death overs. So no he is not best death bowler around only bumrah and starc are.

can we say that he is one of the most improved death bowlers ?  

[rkt.india]

51 minutes ago, velu said:

can we say that he is one of the most improved death bowlers ?  

yes in IPL

[Nikola]

15 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

yes in IPL

he should stick to IPL only then. Has been useless for country in odis.

[Frustrated]

I think the only reason selectors are persisting with Bhuvi is his batting ability down the order.  Can be handy at times.  We seriously lack a proper pace bowling allrounder.  Hence , Bhuvi is an automatic choice even on flat decks. No other choice till the WC 2019.

[Nikola]

Just now, Frustrated said:

I think the only reason selectors are persisting with Bhuvi is his batting ability down the order.  Can be handy at times.  We seriously lack a proper pace bowling allrounder.  Hence , Bhuvi is an automatic choice even on flat decks. No other choice till the WC 2019.

He is not match winner with bat even if he performs once in 5 or 6 innings. He is bit similar to Ashwin in terms of batting and won't do any great against good opposition and we already have bits of pieces cricketer like him in hardik pandya. So team will have to make choice between pandya and bhuvi. We can't just go with these both trundlers at once.

[vivek04]

There is no reason to kept in the team. The stats don't lie. He is not a ODI bowler. Further, nor in test except conditions suited for him. His pace will get cratered in England World cup. But selectors are morons who don't learn from mistakes. Better don't waste time to watch these army of trundlers and bogey batsmen in asia cup.

[Nikola]

I get really angry when umesh has to work his ass hard on these flat indian decks and this trundler bhuvi comes and gets easiest pitches to bowl on in test cricket. If he can't perform in all conditions better kick him and find all condition bowler. This is like playing dhawan only on flat decks and making him look like bradman.

Edited September 14, 2018 by Nikola

[Nikola]

@beetle Stop reacting trolls. I am talking facts & he is trundler doesn't matter if you are die hard fan or not. Accept it as early as possible cause you will come barking after he gets 1 or 2 wickets against hong kong. To be fair he doesn't deserve a spot in squad leave xi. He is really lucky to be there along with many batsman who have failed in past.

[Tibarn]

4 hours ago, raki05 said:

Him being best death bowler is also overrated. One of the reason we got massacred in ct17 final was him as well. Where no body like hafeez belted him in death overs. So no he is not best death bowler around only bumrah and starc are.

A BK fan would say Bumrah is the one who failed in the CT and Bhuvi did his job overall, and they both went for ~8 an over in the death(last 5 overs)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8037/scorecard/1022375/india-vs-pakistan-final-icc-champions-trophy-2017

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8037/commentary/1022375/india-vs-pakistan-final-icc-champions-trophy-2017?innings=1

BOWLING	O	M	R	W	ECON	0s	4s	6s	WD	NB
B Kumar	10	2	44	1	4.40	34	2	2	1	0
JJ Bumrah	9	0	68	0	7.55	22	8	0	5	3
R Ashwin	10	0	70	0	7.00	25	4	3	4	0
HH Pandya	10	0	53	1	5.30	28	5	0	1	0
RA Jadeja	8	0	67	0	8.37	16	8	2	0	0
KM Jadhav	3	0	27	1	9.00	3	0	2	2	0

 

 

The truth is, at least in my opinion, we lost the CT because we were carrying Jadeja/Ashwin in the team, both of who were truly terrible in ODIs for the past few years. Also Kohli managed the bowlers poorly where Bumrah ended up with a over remaining and Jadhav was overbowled and gave up 16 runs in the 45th.  

 

 

[beetle]

9 minutes ago, Nikola said:

@beetle Stop reacting trolls. I am talking facts & he is trundler doesn't matter if you are die hard fan or not. Accept it as early as possible cause you will come barking after he gets 1 or 2 wickets against hong kong. To be fair he doesn't deserve a spot in squad leave xi. He is really lucky to be there along with many batsman who have failed in past.

I read it yesterday and did not react.

But looks like you want to get the troll vote . So I just made you happy.

Khush ho le.

[zen]

10 minutes ago, Nikola said:

@beetle Stop reacting trolls. I am talking facts & he is trundler doesn't matter if you are die hard fan or not. Accept it as early as possible cause you will come barking after he gets 1 or 2 wickets against hong kong. To be fair he doesn't deserve a spot in squad leave xi. He is really lucky to be there along with many batsman who have failed in past.

If we look at the stats for the last 2-3 years, the perception about players such as Rahane and Bhuvi would change  

[Nikhil_cric]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Bumrah has done well on the low tracks in India.  He has the ability to bowl stump directed quick and skiddy deliveries too. He is the No.1 ranked ODI pacer for a reason.

 

Regarding Bhuvi ... we have to develop a backup before replacing him. And that can be done only against weak teams or in bilaterals.

 

Khaleel needs to be in the playing 11  against Hong Kong and in the bilateral ODI series vs WI.

Indian ODI pitches are not as bad as that Abu Dhabi pitch which has the lowest bounce and pace probably of all pitches in the world. Now this varies from series to series but generally that's just a terrible crickhet pitch and we occasionally see that in Dubai as well. I think we should take the call based on the given pitch on the day of the match. If it's the usual pitch , bumrah would be an absolute waste imo. However , if, given the magnitude of India laying Pakistan, they have actually got a decent wicket then yes bumrah should play. 

[raki05]

3 hours ago, velu said:

can we say that he is one of the most improved death bowlers ?  

The last 3 year data doesn't say that.